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Kiki's Courage

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When should parental concern overrule internet fame, money-making ability and childlike dreams of grandeur?  Where's the line between understandable public outrage and victim blaming?  Who is at fault for the life Kiki Kannibal is living and does fault matter here?

In the new issue of Rolling Stone, Sabrina Rubin Erdely outlines in detail the life of 18-year-old Kirsten Ostrenga, starting at age 13, when the child created a MySpace page, dressed up in provocative scene-queen outfits and amassed a following of tens of thousands. It's long, but I found it worth the read.

All over this article there are tales of harassment, death threats, home vandalism, even rape by a boyfriend Kiki met online. I teared up reading some of the stories. Throughout it all, Kiki's parents looked on, helplessly. They saw the hate mail: "I know where you live and I'm gonna kill your fucking cat." They saw the death threats: "I'll fucking murder you little girl." They allowed her boyfriend to stay in their home, despite his strange actions as his relationship with their daughter progressed because they "couldn't figure out how to kick him out."  They watched their daughter dwindle to 72 pounds, and through it all, they never stepped in, they never took her off the internet.

Why?

Cathy and Scott Ostrenga say they suggested leaving MySpace.

Kiki protested: "If you take me off the Internet, the bullies will win.""

But on the internet, there is never any winner. You cannot win against internet bullies. You're never going to convince them that they should either leave you alone or like you. By sticking it out through the hatred and the threats, you may feel you've won by not giving up. You may show the world, or the readers of Rolling Stone Magazine, but you haven't won. The bullies are still looking up your address; they're still fantasizing about your humiliation or death. You'll never show them. In fact, the closest you could probably come to winning this "game" is by stopping to play. The internet sucks you in; it seems like the entire world, when, really, it's an alternate world. It will survive without you, and you will survive without it. Only by stepping back (for more than three weeks) will someone embroiled in true internet fame and drama be able to appropriate it a correct amount of importance. It is impossible to see while you are in it. I imagine doubly so for a teenager.

So, instead of leaving, Kiki went further, joined more sites including Stickham.com. But with every site comes its sister snark site, and as Kiki was dancing around in her underwear in a silly girl game of fun for her fans, her haters were congregating, twisting her image and spending endless hours ripping her apart.

New Webcam Logitech Pro 9000What did her parents think of the videos she made? They thought they were cute.

""We've always had a philosophy of letting the kids express their creativity, as long as they're not harming themselves," explains Scott softly. "There's always been supervision behind it. But we've been more permissive from a certain perspective."

"Cathy advised her daughter to take a "block and delete" strategy against unwanted commenters, banishing them from her chat room when they posted vulgar statements like "I want to put my cock in your mouth.""

To their credit, the family moved. Scott took a large paycut and they lodged with the children's grandmother.  They had to change their lives, their financial situation and their location, and still Kiki blogged.

Eventually, the Ostrengas took action against the drama site filling its pages with photoshopped images of and snark posts devoted to their daughter.  The site's owner and administrator, who according to Rolling Stone, has an unhealthy obsession with Kiki, wrote them a scathing reply...blaming them for his actions.

"If she were my own child I would have taken that fucking computer and Sidekick away a long time ago," wrote the administrator, presumably Stone. "If you had your daughter's best interests at heart, you would put an end to the 'Kiki Kannibal' fame that is obviously so unhealthy at her age."

He's wrong in blaming them for his actions, but his point is one that resonates with me as I also would have "taken that fucking computer and Sidekick away a long time ago." Where is the line? I can't find it, but I know for me personally, it was crossed well before now.

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RandomAdventures 5 pts

In order to protect my children they are not allowed on any social websites. They are both boys thankfully and really don't care/aren't into the social websites. My daughter,however, at the age of 14 created a myspace page behind our back. Which I found and promptly took down. Now she is almost 20 years old and we still advise her on what to not put on facebook. It's scary really. I don't allow or have ever allowed computers in my children's rooms. No TV's either. The phone gets checked in at night. All pc's are in our study where everybody can see what everybody is doing. It's our obligation as parents to act as parents. I'm sure my daughter has "hated" us at times (more often than not) but she will thank us later.

Elizabeth@Table for Five 5 pts

The scary thing is, computers are everywhere. Even if her parents had taken away her computer and phone, she could have used a computer at a library, at a friend's house, or borrowed a friend's phone. If someone is determined to be online, how do you stop them unless you never let them leave the house?

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From Tracie 5 pts

I hesitate to blame parents for everything their children do, but I see a serious problem with their parenting when they let the boyfriend continue to live with them because they "couldn't figure out how to kick him out". That shows how little control they had over what was happening in their house.

The video they describe her making at age 14 is on the line of child pornography. The mother refers to it as adorable and says, "We've always had a philosophy of letting the kids express their creativity, as long as they're not harming themselves." It is clear to me that this was harming their daughter.

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mcwhclan 5 pts

Hard not to hold the parents responsible for this one. As adults, we have the fore thought to be able to see where her kind of behaviour would lead, 13 year olds don't. We need to place limits and set boundaries to keep our children safe and happy. There comes a point when we are not here to be our children's friend.

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labuenavida 5 pts

The whole RS article is just bizarre to me, and I feel really conflicted about it. On one hand, I'm a firm believer that the victim should never receive blame in sexual assault situations.

On the other hand, it is so frustrating to me that Kirsten/Kiki kept putting herself BACK into situations that were obviously dangerous to her and her family. But the bottom line is that she was a child--at age 13, I just don't feel that she should have even been given the CHOICE to continue online. In my opinion, at that age, it is the PARENT'S responsibility to make a judgment call in that regard.

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jennyonthespot 5 pts

Good heavens that is a mess. I am not so open to my kids' online freedoms. It's hard for me not to jump all over the parents on this one. Especailly that this all began before she was even old enough to have registered for a site :(

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TheFamousStacie 5 pts

As an entertainer, YouTube seemed like a perfect venue to boost my career. As I hit around a million views, along came the haters. Without them, it was so fun. With them came heartache. Do you give it all up because of the jerks out there? They do take a lot of the fun out of it. Since the haters found me I have kept a much lower profile and moved more into the blogging world. It just wasn't much fun any more.

Melissa Ford 5 pts

The Rolling Stone article gave me chills and the whole story hasn't been sitting right with me all day. It's easy to find fault from our place of retrospection, but we can't possibly know what we'd do in the moment if we had been in this family's shoes. And yet, I don't foresee a day that I would describe my daughter dancing in her underwear with her boob hanging out as cute. I don't know where the line is, but Kiki's story made me very very uncomfortable.

Thank you for writing this!

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