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The Latest Dust-up on The View and Hipster Racism at it's Worst

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There have been two recent situations that have gained media attention which have been challenging to those with strong opinions on race and racism. Last week there was a ‘discussion’ on The View  between so-hosts, Elizabeth Hasselbeck, Whoopi Goldberg and Sherri Sheppard on the usage of the N-Word (click on the link above to see the video). A quick recap: Hasselbeck argued that no one should use the N-word and Goldberg and Sheppard, who admitted that she used it, tried to explain to her about the nuances of the N-word, why some black people use it in a different connotation than white folks. It didn’t go very well. Here is the transcript.

These days it seems to be extremely challenging to step out of our self-imposed boxes and acknowledge that other people’s experiences besides our own actually matter. Because our personal experiences – both positive and negative- have shaped our perspectives, what becomes challenging is realizing that not everyone has shared the same experiences which ultimately means that when differing perspectives about specific issues are discussed there is going to be a differing of opinion.

A great example of this was the lines in proverbial sand that were drawn between white women and women of colour during the Democratic presidential race between Hilalry Clinton and Barak Obama. Similarites that were thought to exist were suddenly questioned. Allegiances were tested and some permanantly broken.

Most of the time when confronted with a differing view on let’s say, gardening or how to use an appliance in a more efficient way, it’s relatively easy for us to quickly change our perspective from how we used to mow our lawn or cook on our grill. However, in relation to topics that we have a personal stake in, our perspectives, are harder to change.

For this reason, I have a very hard time tolerating the antics of Hasselbeck, to the point where I do not watch The View because when I do I am compelled to punch my TV screen when I see her smug, privileged face (whew. Got that off my chest). But in order to practice what I preach, l do acknowledge that her opinions are formed from her life experiences, so while I don’t entirely agree with her, her points should be acknowledged and respected. However, maybe it is because of the Clinton campgain, where punches where thrown at the crotch level one too many times for my liking, but my side-eye continues to be in full effect.

The main concern that many bloggers have noted in the past week, though was not what Hasselbeck said, because we have heard that "we are the world" nonsense before, but the visual connotations surrounding the discussion. Danielle over at The Black Snob looks at the impact of Hasselbeck’s crying stunt on the show:

 I actually started laughing when Elisabeth Hasselbeck started crying. I think (she cried) because this isn't an issue can be dressed up with kittens and rainbows. It involves complex, deep drama that can't be worked through in 45 minutes on Dr. Phil. They want to be "done" with the issue of race and wonder why-oh-why can't we just be free, hug a tree and be all "the same" already, because she's there. She's cool! She's totally post-racial! What's your problem? But then there was the whole not realizing that saying "we're the same" and us actually being "the same" are two entirely different things. It think it's a combo of guilt and frustration because she knows she doesn't get it, but doesn't want to go down that scary path to finding out what the "real" problem is.

Crying over shit like this is a cheap way to show you care or that you take it seriously when you're really just crying because you think people are "picking" on you.

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

Hi, Laina.  I dropped by earlier tonight and started writing a comment to you on this post, and it grew and grew and grew.  So, I tossed the post I'd intended to publish tonight at BlogHer, and developed what I was writing in response to your post.

You did a great job with this complex subject. No bones about it. 

Nordette ( http://blogher.org/blog/nordette ) is a Contributing Editor with BlogHer.com whose personal blog is hosted on another site at this link ( http://bigsole.blogspot.com ).

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lainad 5 pts

Yvette, that poem made me want to cry! I have never read such a succinct interpretation on that issue before. It's sad that it was written so long ago and that the same issues stil exist. Thank you.

Lara, that conference is really interesting. I'm going to bookmark the link to remind people closer to the date.

 Cheers, Laina 

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Laracolvin 5 pts

At the Race & Gender session at BlogHer ‘08, I mentioned the White Privilege Conference, a conference dedicated to exploring ways to dismantle systems of
privilege, supremacy, and oppression. This conference takes place each
year and each time is hosted by a different university. 2009’s conference is in Memphis, I think. Below are the links for anyone interested.

WPC Conference 2009
http://www.uccs.edu/~wpc/index.htm ( http://www.uccs.edu/%7Ewpc/index.htm )

2008 WPC’s Final Program
http://www.uccs.edu/~wpc/documents/WPCFinalProgram... ( http://www.uccs.edu/%7Ewpc/documents/WPCFinalProgr... )

Lara

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Yvette Perry 5 pts

Laina, this discussion about crying reminded me of this piece:

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/4469/tears.html

Also, the concept of "hipster racism" reminded me of this book that is on my list to read: Breaking the Code of Good Intentions: Everyday Forms of Whiteness by Melanie Bush.

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Mata H 5 pts

"if you want to call it 'rage' so be it. I'm too tired to argue over how having an opinion makes me an angry person."

People are perceived as angry by those folks who magnify their remarks with their own internal fear or resistance.

On the other hand, what is wrong with being pissed off by injustice or unfairness?

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

Debbie - there are some great threads that have been weaved - woven? woved? lol - at BlogHer over time on these issues, directly and indirectly, and working toward getting conversation going - you might enjoy just reading some of them but goodness I hope you will keep commenting! I am CERTAIN that there have GOT to be great analogies to food, recipes, etc. to all this that could only help.

Sorry if that sounds silly - I only know from my experience that jumping in, listening to and reading and asking questions has brought me a whole lot further than I've ever been to understanding why discussing race and racism, let alone becoming an anti-racist - which I'm still trying to understand what that means and if it's the right word or not.

Welcome, and thank YOU.

Jill
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Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

Every time I write "when you find time" to anyone else? I always laugh out loud because I know how I stifle laughs when I read it if it's been directed at me - so know that I'm laughing when I write then as in, "as if!" re: finding time.

That being said...lol...if you DO find time or take a minute, here are two commentaries/live blogs of the race and gender panel at BlogHer last weekend - I think you'll see some assertions about the need to stick our necks out  - i was saying it in terms of white women but also anyone who seeks to engage in these conversations.  I was trying to say, "Do not worry - to the point of not engaging - about being wrong OR offending but, of course, don't be getting all hot and bothered KNOWING that what you say WILL offend" -if you know what I mean?

Anyway - I'll let others' impressions via the liveblog and the tweetstream give you a sense of how it went.

The only thing I regret is that I know, from listening to and reading WOC blogs, I need to not make anything about me when these discussions occur and I feel that I did do that more than I should have but that it was a bit a part of the plan for the session - so, I'm a bit torn about that.  But, I talk - a LOT - and it's a big thing I need to stop doing in these conversations - which is why I appreciate the fantastic WOC blogs out there that I can just read and read and read and learn from.

Ok - here are the links! Sorry for the long preamble (and thank you again for this post):

Liveblog ( http://www.sparkplugging.com/marketing/blogher-200... ) and I'm working to get the exact tweetstream but it's at amylive ( http://twitter.com/amylive ) (was done on7/18/08)

Jill
Writes Like She Talks ( http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com )

ChefDebbie 5 pts

Thank you for letting me participate in this, my first thread on Blogher. I've found it enlightening and invigorating.

My son-in-law is one of those young black men who was raised by parents who made very selfish decisions. I have seen his pain that has resulted from those decisions and, although he will no doubt carry that pain throughout his life, he has made a conscious effort to be the best man he can possibly be. He is a wonderful father to our grandchildren, a devoted and kind husband to our daughter, and a loyal and attentive son to us. I have seen the result of what one man can do with a dream and determination.

Although I've enjoyed this discourse, I think I'll return to blogging about food. Come visit me and we'll enjoy the univesal language of food and wine together!

Bon Appetit!
Chef Debbie

Laracolvin 5 pts

I don't think you should apologize for your attitude or stance or perspective...at all. The reference to the comment at BlogHer was about language in the larger sense and where we go from here (discussion to action, for example) - not specifically about this kind of interaction, which is quite constructive I think. I hope you didn't take that reference as criticism of your post.

Thanks again for starting this. 

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Megan Smith 5 pts

Hi Laina,

No apologies necessary.

Megan Smith ( http://www.blogher.com/haystackprofile/viewprofile... )
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lainad 5 pts

 Thanks to everyone who has participated on this thread.

I just wanted to throw something out there, something that I picked up from a couple of posters. What exactly is whining?

Jesse Jackson may have his faults, and that is okay. Regardless of the many 'slip-ups' he has made over the years - okay, well maybe slip-ups is going a bit easy on him ( I'm thinking 'Hymietown') is has done a lot for the African-American community. And so has Al Sharpton - love him or hate him. More people, regardless of ethnicity need to step up to the plate, show their ass to the world and get down to business. So instead of trying to bring Jackson down, he has done more for black folks than those who are critisizing him right now. Like Obama, he is no 'Magic Negro.' We don't need one.

I would hate for anyone to refer to people discussing racsim, sexism, ageism or classism as whining. Why should anyone ' suck it up' if they feel discriminated against? There are two things about this that I want to address:

From my own experience, if I do not take action ( volunteer work within Toronto, writing, etc.) about the issues that affect my community, I would go mad. Especially when I see no reason for discriminatory acts, other than people who feel that who they are and what they think is superior to other people based on the above catergories. To me, it simply does not make sense. Life is too short and everyone has the right to be treated equally as a human being. We need to call people out, especially those in the media and / or people in positions of authority on their bullshit. These people are supposed to either represent a large constituent of people and / or because they are in the media, are looked upon by a great number of people. If they act like fools, we, the taxpayers and media watchers have every right to call them on their bullshit.

Secondly, 'whining' and caring about other people in our communities beside our individual needs and wants should never be considered wrong. I have my own issues with my brothers and sisters, but ultimately I care about them. I do not want to stand by and think ' well as long as it isn't happening to me, it's okay.' Because when you might need support, you will want others to be there for you. 

I am tired of seeing young black kids feel shitty about themselves, suffering from low self-esteem because of bad parenting from mom and dads who also feel shitty about themselves. I am tired of people saying that media only reflects one type of beauty ideal and that they have to beleive in it, thereby hating themselves because they will never live up to their ideal.

In the other hand, I am also sick and tired of people who watch too much godamn TV and think that all black folks act and look alike. And those who think that we need 'leaders' to keep us in line, like we are cattle who just broke down a fence and are running in every direction. Read a bloody book.

I will never apologize for my 'attitude' on these situations. I was not present at Blogher SF so I do not know what was said. I will expect that if there are more contructive ways of dealing with these matters, my lovely fellow CE's, most notably Megan Smith and Maria Niles will fill me in. I can't promise that I'll listen to them, though! (just joking........) Until then, I will keep doing what I do.

 Okay, I'm finsished ranting. Too much wine, and a long day working in the fields.

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ChefDebbie 5 pts

I agree, Tracy. It is not proof that any side of an argument is correct simply by being offended. Isn't this simply a conversation about exploring perspectives and not determining a winning side of an argument?

Laracolvin 5 pts

" "You are insinuating that those who use that term - in various contexts
- are not working hard to raise respectful, articulate children."

No, I
am not insinuating that. That is a statement that I am making and
believe to be true, or it would not be so rigorously defended by those
who exemplifly an inability to string 6 words into a sentence without
using a curse word and, unfortunately, have a public voice and are
emulated by thousands of blacks. "

I'm still unclear.So instead of suggesting what I said above, you are making the statement that what I said you were insinuating is fact. Is this correct? I'm pushing on this again for many reasons - one being the issue of language. I doubt Randall Kennedy, a professor at Harvard Law School and author of the book, Nigger, could be considered (whether one agrees with him or not) unable to string 6 words together into a sentence. As for the public voice you were addressing, are you referring to hip hop, or gangsta rap? Because those two are very different things. Or are you referring to something altogether different. I just want to be sure I understand you so I'm not making assumptions about what you mean. 

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myrnatheminx 5 pts

There's a difference between engaging in a conversation and proving that you're right.  E. Hasselback has that same problem.

 Yours, Tracy Viselli (a.k.a. Myrna the Minx)

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ChefDebbie 5 pts

Lara, I had the day off today and decided, after having for many months read the blogs of many members of Blogher, to become one. Alas! I stumbled upon this post before I had the opportunity to figure out how to create my profile! I will do so just as soon as I figure out how to do it! I hope you were able to catch your breath!

"And - I think calling the use of the N-word a "term of endearment" by the "family" is quite patronizing if not downright disrespectful." Oh, this is a quote and not meant to be disrespectful. Just an illustration of the ridiculousnous of this argument, and it is ridiculous.

"You are insinuating that those who use that term - in various contexts - are not working hard to raise respectful, articulate children." No, I am not insinuating that. That is a statement that I am making and believe to be true, or it would not be so rigorously defended by those who exemplifly an inability to string 6 words into a sentence without using a curse word and, unfortunately, have a public voice and are emulated by thousands of blacks.

"What I get is that this whole discussion of the "N" word began with Jesse Jackson's reference to Barack Obama"  Okay, I should have inserted "recent" between "this" and "whole." Once again I submit that the discussion is being re-directed to avoid discussion of JJ and his responsibility for his own actions and responsibility to society as a so-called leader of civil rights.

Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

Here's what you wrote, 

No, I'm not confused by anything you have said. I do, however,
question whether the energy of the "The Great Offended American" might
not be focused instead on more useful endeavors than the wringing of
hands and whining. It's actually pretty ironic, don't you think, that
Jesse Jackson, who has made a career and personal fortune of finding
excuses to be offended by others, was caught in the act himself. Rather
showing his true colors, I am thinking. After all, character is defined
by what you do when nobody's looking.

I was expressing thoughts I had in relation to that portion of your comment. 

Jill
Writes Like She Talks ( http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com )

ChefDebbie 5 pts

Jill..."I don't think we should be so righteous as to say that we're never offended, or that we're never the offender."  Are you directing that toward me? If you are you are jumping to some HUGE assumptions because that is not related to anything that I have posted here.

First of all, I submit that one chooses to be or not to be offended by something; it is a matter of ownership of your own reactions. It is all about empowerment and self-concept. And it is all about how you choose to direct your energies.

We each have a finite number of minutes in each day, energy to expend, possibility of good to do. Is it not enough to think good thoughts and do good deeds? Is it not enough to treat others as you would want them to treat you? Must we also be criticized if we cannot develop some type of ESP to anticipate the reactions of others to every word, deed, and nuance of our very existence? Do we expend valuable time and energey dwelling on the nuances of every word uttered for fear that we might offend someone, or do we forge ahead with all good intentions to do good deeds?

Along the way we do listen and we learn, but honestly, one can theoretically be so afraid of committing offense that the only solution is to hide in a cave and do and say nothing at all!  (And I'm sure some group will be offended by that statement!)

You posted "Not me - but this isn't a perfect world and we're not all able to understand everyone's situation." How very true this is and I agree. Because I know that it is impossible for others to understand my situation, I choose not to be offended if something untoward is said based on that premise. I move on. I don't dwell. I don't whine. I don't make a mountain out of a mole hill. Energy is not wasted, and love and respect are retained.

A very interesting conversation here, Jill. Thank you for your thoughtful response to my post.

artpax 5 pts

George Carlin would have enjoyed this discussion.   I read posts on BlogHer because I don't have the time to follow individual feeds of individual blogs for the most part. It keeps me somewhat current in my woefully aging brain and body.  

Hipster racism.   Good term. Cooler than thou is how I used to refer to those folks of great pretense.   Using language to assault a person is still assault.  Context is key.   I can go to the Vagina Monologues and roar with laughter and have eyes well up with tears a few minutes later because of the language used and the things it depicts.   Don't try using those words on the street though.  It might make me become violent.   

Context is key.  I've tried to explain to my husband that because he is no longer a part of a black family -- he lost that when he and a woman he lived with broke up -- and he can no longer use that word the way he used to in company that allowed him to use it.   I tell him to close his trap and keep it closed.    

Sometimes folks brains just "harden" I suppose, but in truth I don't really believe that.  Thinking logically about an issue is hard work and often requires research, soul searching, and changing one's viewpoint.  It isn't for lazy folks.  Most of the U.S. has gotten lazy when it comes to thinking.   Don't know why but it has.   I would never get my news and views from The View.  Heck I don't even trust mainstream news.  

I'm suspicious of folks who don't say things but you know they are thinking them.   In some ways it was more clear cut and honest when racists, sexists and elitists exposed themselves through their language.   Now everything goes through iterations of double speak until it seems like Babel.  

Peace,

Nancy 

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Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

But I don't recall - anyone who was at the race and gender session at BlogHer who is reading this, feel free to chime in.  It was an excellent point and I know Caille Millner, one of the panelists, in the past, has mentioned this point too re: the language.

Jill
Writes Like She Talks ( http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com )

Laracolvin 5 pts

Who was it that said in our session last weekend that we have to come up with a new language to talk about this because what we have now isn't working? I can't remember, but oh, so true.

Notions of Identity ( http://www.notionsofidentity.com )

Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

Debbie - part of what I was getting at in my analogies was that everyone has the potential to be both the offender and the offended - and so that fact, in itself, should be catalyst enough for us to openly challenge how it happens that we create a situation where we've become one or the other, so that we can stop doing that. Who sincerely wants to be offended OR be the one who is offending another human being?

Not me - but this isn't a perfect world and we're not all able to understand everyone's situation.  This, again, is why I say that we've often got competing desires: I love being among Jews - I love being among moms.  But I also LOVE being around single women who have no children, young and old and my age.  And I went to a Catholic school and LOVED it, and went on Methodist church missions and sincerely had an epiphany at the age of 19 that changed my life.

How do we move fluidly between all the different places that exist - and how do act on behalf of all of them, so that we achieve that current Utopia we imagine where everyone truly does have equal access and equal opportunity?

Until we can figure out the language and the acts that help us build the bridges or pathways between these cultural havens and the larger world beyond them that so many of us do relish but also find necessary to our lives and livelihoods, I don't think we should be so righteous as to say that we're never offended, or that we're never the offender.

Jill
Writes Like She Talks ( http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com )

ChefDebbie 5 pts

Dearest Laina,

I'm like Jill in that I am attracted to this sort of discourse as a moth is to a flame, and that is why I don't look up blogs like this. Yours simply jumped out at me from the blogher site, and I was hooked!

No, I'm not confused by anything you have said. I do, however, question whether the energy of the "The Great Offended American" might not be focused instead on more useful endeavors than the wringing of hands and whining. It's actually pretty ironic, don't you think, that Jesse Jackson, who has made a career and personal fortune of finding excuses to be offended by others, was caught in the act himself. Rather showing his true colors, I am thinking. After all, character is defined by what you do when nobody's looking.

I don't have a "theoretical" husband but I do have a real one, and he would not say ' God, I hate those n#$%ers.' Believe it or not, we don't use that language at our table or anywhere else, for that matter.

Laracolvin 5 pts

Chef Debbie,

I've tried to read your profile (in which there is no information about you or your blog) and take a few moments to breathe before responding, but I didn't get anywhere. So I'm going to respectfully disagree to more than a couple of your statements:

 "Your blog was interesting, but I sensed a great deal of rage in it and I wonder why"

 I didn't sense this at all. Frustration maybe with a conversation that, by nature, is difficult before it even begins , but rage? Seriously? Can you explain what you considered rage? I'm asking because I think opening your comments with that statement provides a framework or connotation that impacts your other comments. I'd like to understand better.

 "Of course we don't live in a color-blind society and maybe we never
will, but that is not an excuse for not continually striving toward
that end. "Do as I say and not as I do" has never been a good mantra to
use to teach desireable behavior, so the liberal use of the "N" word
should be discouraged by all races in all contexts. It has evidently
become a "term of endearment" by "the family" because it is easier to
do that than to do the hard work of setting good examples, raising
children to respect themselvs and others, learn proper vocabulary, and
set standards for behavior. No matter the excuses that are made, you
just can't have it both ways. Doesn't anybody get that?"

Whoa! I This was really offensive. Were you trying for that? The "do as I say and not as I do" can actually be an appropriate mantra in the right context. It is all about context. Parents tell their children not to drink wine until it is legal, all while drinking wine. Are you proposing they shouldn't drink wine until their children are 21? I know - it is a simplistic example, but I think the point Lainad was making was accurate. Each situation is laden with experiences that are personal and individual to the people involved. By telling someone not to think or say something is to disregard that person's experience and history. And - I think calling the use of the N-word a "term of endearment" by the "family" is quite patronizing if not downright disrespectful. You are insinuating that those who use that term - in various contexts - are not working hard to raise respectful, articulate children. That is simply incorrect. 

and lastly,

"What I get is that this whole discussion of the "N" word began with Jesse Jackson's reference to Barack Obama"

This discussion has actually been alive and well for many years in books and articles dating back to the 60's. 

To Lainad, I think this discussion is great. I admire you for putting yourself out there (although you always do!). I will say, though, I cringed a bit when I read "plus, why are white folks so eager to say the N-word in public? It's like y'all chomping at the bit. Good luck with that.", because as a white person, I can't say it regardless of the context. I have trouble even writing it due to the deep-seated images and racism the word stirs up. But I get that it is your right to write those words. I just hope you consider mine, too.

Thanks.

Lara

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Maria Niles 6 pts

Well, Jesse Jackson used the "N" word in the context of expressing the desire to castrate the man who might very well represent his race so well by becoming the leader of the free world. Is this acceptable because he is black? If it's not, then where is the outrage and why are we not talking about that?

We've discussed both the New Yorker cover and Jackson's castration comment extensively here at BlogHer. Fox news has been leaking bits of Jackson's comments over time so the castration comment was discussed then and Lainad covered some of the fallout from his N-word comment now.

If you'd prefer to discuss those topics then I'd encourage you to check out these discussions:

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Is Black The New Bitch? ( http://www.blogher.com/black-new-bitch )

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Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

For good deep conversation - but it will take the rest of my life to know why I'm so attracted to such difficult conversations - I try always to think "there must be a way" - no matter what.  What else could be the point of us all being here if there isn't, you know? But I am very gullible too. lol

Thank you.

Jill
Writes Like She Talks ( http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com )

lainad 5 pts

 My apologies Megan;

I read your post early this morning and was trying to find a place to fit it in to my post and then I kept on writing and writing......... but thank you for providing the link.

Chef Debbie.......if you want to call it 'rage' so be it.  I'm too tired to argue over how having an opinion makes me an angry person.

About Jackson - this post was on The View, not Jackson,which is why he was not mentioned in the post. Some black bloggers are offended by his comments - I suggest you find some blogs.

Please remember that when Jackson made his comments, they were not supposed to be recorded. It's like your (theoretical) husband or family member who sitting around the dinner table one night says ' God, I hate those n#$%ers.' I cannot be outraged over what someone thinks or says in a private conversation, and that is what happened to Jackson - but yes, he should know better, but what is done is done. He doesn't have to love Obama - If I were him, I'd have some serious issues with Obama, too. It would be nice if he would have used his 'inner voice' when saying it, but shit happens.

In terms of the New Yorker cover, please head on over to Racialicious, as they have a really good thread tying that to hipster racism and as far as I recall, I did not talk in length about the cover because....well I didn't. If you would like me to remove that sentence, because it confuses you, let me know.  It wasn't just the tired Obama's Islamic thing, I think what some had a problem with  was the timing of the cover, the fact that stereotypes about both the Obamas had been already played out by the media, and that well, at least me felt that everytime some asshat publishes a cartoon, image or does something 'racially provocative' and black folks complain, it just keeps on happening. It's the realization that no matter how this stuff offends people, people keep on doing it. It's the sad realization that the ones being ridiculed are ignored when they complain - and most often are ridiculed for complaining.  

Thank you Jill for your wonderful comments as usual! Greatly appreciated ( and not just because you were nice!)

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Megan Smith 5 pts

Hi Laina,

This is a valuable and thought provoking post that covers several important issues.  I hadn't heard the term Hipster Racism, but I agree with you that it does exist and is a subtle form of some white people trying to put black people "in their place."

As it relates to "The View" dustup, I saw it somewhat differently than you and several other bloggers did.  I wrote about it in my own post ( http://www.megansminute.com/2008/07/whoopi-goldber... ), so I won't take up too much space here, but Elisabeth was not arguing that because black people use the "N" word, white people should be able to as well.  She was arguing that no one should be using it.

Now granted, she is naive, sees things in a very cut and dried manner and like many people of both races, needs to stop and really listen to what the other person is saying.  You're right on target when you say:

"These days it seems to be extremely challenging to step out of our self-imposed boxes and acknowledge that other people’s experiences besides our own actually matter."

It's hard, it's painful and it's scary, but it must be done if we---black people and white people---truly want to use this point in history in a positive way.   Obviously there are people on both sides who don't want us to progress, who want to hold onto their hatred and who want to sabotage anyone who wants better.

Those people have to be marginalized in such a way that their poison becomes ineffective.

Megan Smith ( http://www.blogher.com/haystackprofile/viewprofile... )
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ChefDebbie 5 pts

Your blog was interesting, but I sensed a great deal of rage in it and I wonder why. You began by promising to introduce a "couple of instances reported in the news" and started out well with the discussion of use of the N word on the view and EH's "performance," but then I'm not sure what the second instance was because it went to defining "hipster racism," then a discussion of the tee shirt and then the "satirical" cover of the New Yorker and Obama being linked with Islam,which isn't a race but a theology.

Of course we don't live in a color-blind society and maybe we never will, but that is not an excuse for not continually striving toward that end. "Do as I say and not as I do" has never been a good mantra to use to teach desireable behavior, so the liberal use of the "N" word should be discouraged by all races in all contexts. It has evidently become a "term of endearment" by "the family" because it is easier to do that than to do the hard work of setting good examples, raising children to respect themselvs and others, learn proper vocabulary, and set standards for behavior. No matter the excuses that are made, you just can't have it both ways. Doesn't anybody get that?

What I get is that this whole discussion of the "N" word began with Jesse Jackson's reference to Barack Obama. I get it that somehow the conversation has been deflected to "White folks can't use the "N" word but black folks can because it has been accepted as a form of endearment when black folks use it." Well, Jesse Jackson used the "N" word in the context of expressing the desire to castrate the man who might very well represent his race so well by becoming the leader of the free world. Is this acceptable because he is black? If it's not, then where is the outrage and why are we not talking about that?

Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

Well - I guess that's not exactly the question because you sure threaded a lot into this great post.

I get a lot of what you're saying - if not most of it. I don't watch The View and I didn't know what hipster racism is/was so thank you for writing with some context about both (and giving definitions).

I agree with the multiple lenses you use to describe Hasselback's behavior - that she probably really did feel like crying and that the context and opinion you and others give about it ALSO applies - without snark or anything.  All these seemingly contradictory things do really all apply and exist at the same time.

I will say I'm totally famished as we say in Yiddish that it is an Israeli who made those Obama is our slave t-shirts.  Gawd.  So not what we need - that t-shirt maker or the slogan and for the record, I like many, many Jews, will be voting for Obama and don't see him as a slave of any kind (except like ANY elected official at any govermental level who wants our vote). 

I would say for me it's a bit analogous to the use of the phrase "JAP" - Jewish American Princess.  I use it in a not so nice way but if anyone who wasn't a Jew used it to describe a Jewish woman with a good life she doesn't work for, it would be considered more of an ethnic slur.  On the other hand, words like "kike" - you will never hear Jews call anyone a "kike" in an affectionate way - the way I gather some people may use "nigger" now, yes?

I don't know - the more I'm digging in, listening, researching, observing - the more it seems like there are so many conventions - social and otherwise - that, in some ways, make it so difficult to cross divides - because we don't use the same words in the same way.  I like that every culture has its own culture.  And yet, if we want to work with, exist with and among a variety of cultures, what must we do/not do, take on or ignore so that we can do so without being misread, offending, or just, you know, communicating in a way that we get things done?

I think at the race and gender panel at BlogHer a participant named Gail (I'm so sorry I did not get her card!!) pushed for us, rightly so, to get to that get things done point - how do we get things done, let's get things done etc. - but communicating still seems to be a stumbling block.

A Plain Dealer columnist wrote this column ( http://www.cleveland.com/brett/plaindealer/index.s... ) on Sunday and I was nodding as I read it because I know I've been through that - a few months ago - and I shared it with the race and gender session.

What is necessary dialogue we have to have to stop the Hasselbeck moments, and what is the necessary dialogue so we can be on the same page, assuming we can figure out what it looks like?

Sorry if this was a ramble.

Thanks, very much, for your post and time and energy put into it.

Jill
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