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I just saw Lisa Belkin's latest Motherlode post over at the New York Times. Headline? "The Mom Blog Jinx."

I know Lisa Belkin -- we've chatted and emailed, I've spoken on a panel with her -- and I think she's smart. I appreciate her avid participation in the parenting blogosphere. Which is why it was with honest incredulity that I read this piece.

Belkin writes:

Does the universe scoff at those who have the hubris to share their lives so completely? Or is it just that bad things happen, all the time, to families everywhere, and the Internet has given a window into randomness that we might otherwise not have?

Belkin lists a half dozen or so mommybloggers -- parenting bloggers, whatever you want to call them -- and the tragedies that have befallen them, as though the fact they were blogging somehow had anything to do with those tragedies. She ends the post with a plea for help for a blogger who has insurance problems, leading me to believe that was really the point of the post.

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But still. My first reaction was that highlighting these issues under the headline and lede of "jinx" is kind of ... irresponsible. Women struggled silently for thousands of years before we took our voices public.

It's very common in our community for us to highlight someone who is having trouble. We do it here at BlogHer all the time, most recently for Ashleigh Burroughs -- a blogger Belkin mentioned and someone whom I've syndicated here on the site and have corresponded with via email. Lisa Stone wrote a post asking for BlogHers to head over to Ashleigh's site and lend a little support. I don't see anything wrong -- and a lot of things right -- with pointing out if someone has already stated publicly that she's going through a tough time and offering support. But to frame up the problem as though it had been manifested by the woman recording her thoughts online is blaming the victim.

I'm pretty firmly in the camp of "bad things happen" and "when they do happen to someone in our community, we should offer our support." I'm adamantly opposed to any suggestion that a woman brings bad things upon herself by openly sharing her struggles and triumphs in writing in the public sphere. I find it very dangerous to insinuate that by writing our truth we could rain tragedy down on ourselves and our loved ones.

Every single situation Belkin described was random and had nothing to do with blogging.

Updated 4 p.m. CST: I commented on the Motherlode to let Lisa Belkin know I was writing about her piece. She responded to my comment and clarified her intent in writing the piece. It's a nice explanation -- I recommend reading it. I also appreciate the opportunity to question another writer's work and have my questions responded with such civility and class.

What do you think about her piece? Am I off-track?

Rita Arens authors Surrender Dorothy and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak. She is BlogHer's assignment and syndication editor.

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Lesbian Dad 5 pts

What you said, Julie. And Rita. The whole comment, but especially this:

when you widen your circle of exposure to include the voices of many more women and men than you see day to day, you have the challenging opportunty to continually grow more compassionate by seeing some of the diversity of hardships that randomly happen in human lives.

What a beautiful synopsis of what's at the core of all this (blogging phenomenon/community). And what it challenges with and it offers us.

RaisingAmazingDaughters 5 pts

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I love this thread and found Lisa's response very interesting. I read her post much the same way Rita did and after reading Lisa's response I felt as if she was backpedaling just a bit to "take back" some of what she said. If she was writing tongue in cheek with the "mom bloggers are jinxed" thing, I missed it and, being sarcastic myself my "sardar" is usually pretty accurate. Geez, after reading her post I almost had to take down my blog before lightning hits one of my three daughters! We blog together and I was worried that I had perhaps thrown them under a bus! Today, we blogged about things that are "just wrong." I think I'll add Lisa's post.

Rita Arens 7 pts

I know for a fact reading about the ups and downs of the community has better equipped me to deal with my own struggles. I used to think everyone else had a perfect life and I was the only one dealing with health issues and family drama and money problems. Now as bloggers have grown more open, I know everyone has their burdens. No one is insulated from the ups and downs of life. Not that I ever wish problems on anyone else, but the perspective offered by reading about the communities ups and downs is very valuable to me. No matter how it looks from the About Me page, nobody has a perfect life. And that's okay.

Rita Arens authors Surrender Dorothy ( http://bit.ly/Qp0sS ) and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak ( http://tinyurl.com/9pg62e ). She is BlogHer's assignment and syndication editor.

I Thought I Knew Mama 5 pts

I agree with your thoughts, Rita. I think if you look at the sheer number of mommy bloggers out there, the incidence of bad things happening in their lives is just plain normal. The only difference with "real life" people are that you don't always know all of the ins and outs of their lives if they are not blogging, so you may not be aware of the incidence of bad things happening to people in your non-online community.

I Thought I Knew Mama

http://ithoughtiknewmama.blogspot.com

Rita Arens 7 pts

Thank you, Molly. It is because I value what Lisa Belkin has to say that I put my question out there, and I was so impressed with the class with which she responded. I've been taking the call to tone down the rhetoric very seriously, and as someone told me today, you don't have to always agree with someone to like them. Lisa Belkin and I do like each other, whether or not we always agree.

Rita Arens authors Surrender Dorothy ( http://bit.ly/Qp0sS ) and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak ( http://tinyurl.com/9pg62e ). She is BlogHer's assignment and syndication editor.

Lisa Stone 6 pts

Thanks so much for your comment.

Lisa Stone, BlogHer Co-founder ( http://www.blogher.com/member/lisa-stone )

BlogHer is non-partisan but our bloggers aren't! Follow our coverage of Politics & News ( http://www.blogher.com/topic/politics-news ).

mollybaker 5 pts

I've nothing more to add to the back and forth between the two pieces that hasn't been said. - -But I do want to say that it is exactly that back and forth between thoughtful professionals and the exchange of ideas, opinions and the nuances of interpretation that make Blogher such an interesting place to visit. Thanks for your efforts and putting your relationships out there to clarify the piece and its important points for so many interested -- and confused -- readers.

Molly Baker writes at http://www.playgroupwithsylviaplath.com and is a freelance reporter for The Wall Street Journal and The Philad

Lisa Stone 6 pts

Rita:

Great post, great question.

Lisa:

I really appreciate reading your comment here. For what it's worth, as another reader, I didn't find Rita's question a stretch. I have to add my voice to that of some other commenters above. Given that the only common denominator between these tragedies is a blog, is this a rhetorical flourish, to use your phrase, or a fear/insinuation that one calls down a curse for raising her voice? "This week the possibility of a jinx feels eerily strong." So thanks for clarifying what you meant to invoke.

I'm thrilled two women are getting star treatment on a Times blog. Everyone, in my opinion, should be talking about the issues raised by the Tucson shooting that took so many lives and wounded BlogHer Ashleigh Burroughs, from mental health to the tone of political rhetoric. That said, the so-much-more-common story is Dawn Meehan's. A single mother who is working like hell to lead her family through a crisis, Dawn is an excellent writer, an amazing human being, and deserves every pixel of attention.

Lisa Stone, BlogHer Co-founder ( http://www.blogher.com/member/lisa-stone )

BlogHer is non-partisan but our bloggers aren't! Follow our coverage of Politics & News ( http://www.blogher.com/topic/politics-news ).

Rita Arens 7 pts

I'm so glad you clarified, Lisa. Before I scrolled down and saw this comment, I updated my post to reflected you'd responded on The Motherlode.

I really appreciate you taking the time to clarify. Part of the reason I even wrote post was that it didn't seem to fit with the Lisa Belkin who I read. I'm glad I'm not going insane.

Rita Arens authors Surrender Dorothy ( http://bit.ly/Qp0sS ) and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak ( http://tinyurl.com/9pg62e ). She is BlogHer's assignment and syndication editor.

LisaBelkin 5 pts

Here's what I just added to your comment over at Motherlode:

Rita, I am confused.

You write over on BlogHer:

"I'm pretty firmly in the camp of "bad things happen" and "when they do happen to someone in our community, we should offer our support." I'm adamantly opposed to any suggestion that a woman brings bad things upon herself by openly sharing her struggles and triumphs in writing in the public sphere. I find it very dangerous to insinuate that by writing our truth we could rain tragedy down on ourselves and our loved ones."

Do you really think, Rita -- knowing me, being a reader of this blog, and reading the words in this particular post -- that that is what I said, or what I can possibly think? Where in heavens name did you get that? I did ask the question "are these women jinxed" but come on. I ask it in a "make-fun-of-myself-for-worrying" kind of way. Then I rejected the notion in the next sentence, saying that bad things happen in bloggers' lives because bad things happen in all our lives. I said that quickly and got to the point of the post, which was to explore what we owe each other as readers, writers and humans now that we have these windows and connections.

You also suggest that getting help for Dawn was the somehow "secret" point of the piece. No. It was the MAIN point. And for Ashleigh, too. And also to draw attention to all the blogs I highlighted, all of which I read regularly and which impress me for both the quality of the writing and the fortitude of the writers. The jinx part, that was an introduction. At best you can accuse me of too heavy handed a rhetorical flourish, and, in retrospect, I will cop to that. But to see it as anything else is -- and I say this respectfully because I like you too -- to completely misread (or read waaaaaaaaay to much into) the entire point.

I have developed a very thick skin writing Motherlode for two years. But the idea that you think that I just wrote an essay saying women who blog somehow deserve what they get is upsetting and insulting and simply wrong. I didn't write it. I don't think it. It is the complete antithesis of I stand for.

JennWhite 5 pts

I think the point she completely misses (and I agree, the real point of the post was to ask for help for Dawn) is that there are PLENTY of terrible things happening to people all over. You just notice the ones who are blogging. Try this: ask the people you work with if there has ever been a tragedy or other extremely challenging event in their lives. I guarantee you'll find out about suicides, job losses, car accidents, children's deaths, incurable illnesses, all sorts of things you never imagined have happened to the people you interact with every day. Myself, I've had an uncle commit suicide in my grandmother's kitchen, husband with Multiple Sclerosis, baby with severe oxygen deprivation at birth, and husband (and only source of income) lose his job. I'm pretty sure I'm not jinxed, I'm just normal.

Jenn White

ScrappersWorkshop.com

Mom101 5 pts

I was about to comment on how it seemed a bit stream-of-consciousness, like the jinx thing was more of a clever, odd thought that had popped into her head, but the article she wanted to write was really about how some of the mom blogs she reads have been involved in tragedy.

Then I saw Deb's comment up here and though - oh. She already said it for me. And so well (as always!).

The comment I left at NYT, for what it's worth:

My mother always jokes that rich suburban straight white men don't make great writers, because they have no stories to tell. (Fitzgerald not withstanding.)

I would imagine that successful personal bloggers have varying degrees of conflict inherent in their stories. That, coupled with writing chops, makes their blogs interesting. But surely there are thousands more mom blogs describing regular, happy, tragedy-free lives. You just haven't heard of them.

Blogging no more courts disaster than life does all by itself.

Making millions at Mom-101 ( http://mom-101.com )

Rita Arens 7 pts

I found the Heather Armstrong example most perplexing, because PPD isn't even an external tragedy of sorts -- it's a mental health condition. I certainly hope you can't manifest mental health conditions -- heave knows I have enough anxiety already.

Rita Arens authors Surrender Dorothy ( http://bit.ly/Qp0sS ) and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak ( http://tinyurl.com/9pg62e ). She is BlogHer's assignment and syndication editor.

kmoldofsky 5 pts

So well put Deb.

Kim blogs at Hormone-colored Days ( http://hormonecoloreddays.blogspot.com )and is the editor of The Chicago Moms ( http://www.thechicagomoms.com ). She connects bloggers and brands at MomImpact. ( http://www.momimpact.com )

Miss Behavin 5 pts

Hm. I'm not quite sure what to make of Lisa's post. I mean, she attempted to make a correlation between mommy bloggers and tragedy (jinx, bad luck, whatever), but it doesn't work for me.

Detailing Dooce, for example, instead of mentioning Heather's being fired once her employer discovered her blog, she completely skipped that step and focused on post-partum depression. PPD was certainly not a result of Heather's blogging. That's just absurd - trying to connect the dots where there aren't any.

Blogging has created opportunites and brought immeasurable success to so many people; and life, in general, is filled with triumphs and tragedies.

To insinuate that oversharing is the cause of more tragedy is overreaching.

Carrie is a blogger at Maneuvering Motherhood ( http://www.maneuveringmotherhood.com ). She lives in Ohio with her husband and toddler while mothering two daughters from a 279-mile distance. She loves coffee, gourmet cooking, and trying her husband's patience.

Rita Arens 7 pts

And why I chose this angle for my response -- I'm not exactly *sure* what she was trying to say.

Rita Arens authors Surrender Dorothy ( http://bit.ly/Qp0sS ) and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak ( http://tinyurl.com/9pg62e ). She is BlogHer's assignment and syndication editor.

Rita Arens 7 pts

Because, just, yes.

Rita Arens authors Surrender Dorothy ( http://bit.ly/Qp0sS ) and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak ( http://tinyurl.com/9pg62e ). She is BlogHer's assignment and syndication editor.

Rita Arens 7 pts

Dawn's situation sounds rough. I hope it gets better for her.

Rita Arens authors Surrender Dorothy ( http://bit.ly/Qp0sS ) and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak ( http://tinyurl.com/9pg62e ). She is BlogHer's assignment and syndication editor.

Rita Arens 7 pts

I wish there had been a different angle.

Rita Arens authors Surrender Dorothy ( http://bit.ly/Qp0sS ) and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak ( http://tinyurl.com/9pg62e ). She is BlogHer's assignment and syndication editor.

Rita Arens 7 pts

I used to completely freak myself out thinking I could cause horrible things to happen by imagining them to be so. It's bad for one's mental health to think that way.

Rita Arens authors Surrender Dorothy ( http://bit.ly/Qp0sS ) and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak ( http://tinyurl.com/9pg62e ). She is BlogHer's assignment and syndication editor.

Rita Arens 7 pts

That's an interesting perspective. I was telling my husband the other day that I actually converse with my online friends more often than my offline friends because they are where I am during the day. And it is actually more likely I will immediately respond to one of them if they need it, because I'm aware of their needs sooner. It's one of the reasons I love being part of this community.

Rita Arens authors Surrender Dorothy ( http://bit.ly/Qp0sS ) and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak ( http://tinyurl.com/9pg62e ). She is BlogHer's assignment and syndication editor.

Coupledumb 5 pts

She starts with 'are Mommy-bloggers jinxed because they over-share' then went on to 'help out these bloggers'. Was her point to show a correlation between sharing your experience with 6 kids and 2 of them suffering depression?
I have no idea whether to be supportive or critical of those Moms.

Lee from www.coupledumb.com ( http://www.coupledumb.com/ )

Rita Arens 7 pts

I agree re: quote length, but I left that part out b/c it didn't really go with my point. But you are right.

Rita Arens authors Surrender Dorothy ( http://bit.ly/Qp0sS ) and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak ( http://tinyurl.com/9pg62e ). She is BlogHer's assignment and syndication editor.

Deb Rox 5 pts

I read it the same way, Rita, that she wasn't really pushing the jinx theory, but that it was a "catchy" lede and title. Too bad she didn't talk about what is really happening, which is that when you widen your circle of exposure to include the voices of many more women and men than you see day to day, you have the challenging opportunty to continually grow more compassionate by seeing some of the diversity of hardships that randomly happen in human lives. And that can feel hard at times...and can lead us to say dumb self-protective things just like our culture blames violence victims because it makes us feel different from and smarter than the victim and therefore safe from random crime.

It's a challenge, but also an opportunity, to witness the lives/careers/families/confidence/skills/losses/gains/whathaveyou of others unfolding by reading their blogs. We are so lucky to live in these times and to be tapped into the blogosphere. Not jinxed, just so very lucky.

Deb Rox

3 Smart Girlz ( http://www.3smartgirlz.com/ ) consulting

Blog ( http://www.debontherocks.com/ ) like a freaking butterfly, sting like a Tweet. ( http://www.twitter.com/debontherocks )

lisanoel03 5 pts

I think her intentions were good but and I think she attempts to right herself within the article but I think the title was wrong.
But as someone who personally knows Dawn Meehan http://mom2my6pack.blogspot.com/ I was thrilled for the extra coverage a friend in need was getting.

Morgan Shanahan 6 pts

It disturbed me. I really didn't know what to make of it, but I have to agree, I don't think stigmatizing the women who are strong enough to share their stories is ever going to spin as a positive thing.

Just_Margaret 5 pts

My daughter came home the other day and said, "I hope we have a snow day tomorrow," and then asked me if the door jamb was made of wood. I told her it was, and she knocked on it. "Mrs. Z said if we wish for something out loud, we have to knock wood to make it happen," she explained.

I think Belkin's "Mom Blog Jinx" theory is about as valid as Mrs. Z's "knock wood" theory. There was a snow day on Wednesday. Because my daughter knocked wood? People write about their lives, and bad things happen. Because they blog?

Nope, still not seeing the connection.

~Margaret

Margaret also blogs ( http://maurhoffbarney.blogspot.com ), is on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/pages/Just-Margaret/135445... ) and tweets ( http://twitter.com/Just_Marg ) once in a while.

Mir Kamin 6 pts

And by that I mean: I adore Lisa, but I think she completely missed the mark on this one.

How many women blog? And what percentage of them have been hit by some tragedy or another? I'd wager that ratio is no different than the population at large.

The difference is only that the blogging women are talking about it. And -- in the midst of my own family struggles, right now, I'm learning -- sometimes it's a lot easier to read about someone's tragedy and comment "I'm so sorry" than it is to remember to pick up the phone and call a friend and say, "Hey, wanna get a cup of coffee? How ARE you?"

When the tragedy is right in your backyard it's human nature to turn away. When it's on the Internet it's buffered enough that you can continue to follow along without it eating you alive.

--
Mir Kamin (BlogHer contributing editor)
Personal: Woulda Coulda Shoulda ( http://wouldashoulda.com/ )
Having it all with less: Want Not ( http://wantnot.net/ )

sassymonkey 6 pts moderator

Aside from what you mentioned Rita, and which I think it ridiculous, is the length of the excerpts that she took from those bloggers posts. I'm assuming they gave her permission. I certainly HOPE they did and that they knew what the post was about.

The things happened to those people are random. If you look at the vast number of bloggers and the things that happen it's small. It's just in most cases we never would have heard their stories it if they weren't blogging.

Contributing Editor Karen Ballum also blogs at Sassymonkey ( http://sassymonkey.ca ) and Sassymonkey Reads ( http://sassymonkeyreads.ca ).