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Join BlogHer.com as we live-blog tonight's second presidential debate of Election 2008. Talk about timing -- the same day that the Dow Jones Industrial average fell 508.39 points, "the blue-chip index's worst five-day point loss ever," reports Cindy Perman, presidential candidates John McCain (R-Az.) and Barack Obama (D-Il.) will answer questions at a town hall meeting in Nashville, Tennessee.

Joining both senators on stage at Belmont University will be 80 undecided voters, including BlogHer Lindsay Ferrier of Suburban Turmoil. Don't miss her post, Mired in the Middle. She blogs,

"Right about now, everyone, it seems, has taken sides. The Obama supporters are waaaay over there, to my left. The McCain supporters are waaaay over there, to my right. Each side seems to loathe the other. I'm stuck in the center, attracted to and repelled by both extremes, and sort of wishing we could all just get along. "

Lindsay may have something with that phrase, "repelled" -- Frank Newport of Gallup today reported a dubious first in the poll's history (see in bold below):

"Presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain are set to meet for the second presidential debate in Nashville Tuesday night at a time when only 9% of Americans are satisfied with the way things are going in the United States -- the lowest such reading in Gallup Poll history..."

With that, I'll see you back here at 6 p.m. PT/ 9 p.m. ET. Apologies in advance for the typos!

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Toto 5 pts

Yeah, interesting how Pakistan would take it the wrong way too.  Guess he really needs to be more careful, huh?  

Pakistan Criticizes Obama on Comments ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic... )

By MUNIR AHMAD
The Associated Press
Saturday, August 4, 2007; 2:44 AM

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- Pakistan criticized U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama on Friday for saying that, if elected, he might order unilateral military strikes against terrorists hiding in this Islamic country.

rlynnkco 5 pts

I agree with you Kimberly.  Mc Cain's 'digs' and basic misrepresentations of what Obama really said really turned me off.  I thought Obama came across as having a bit more character.  I bet he doesn't joke with his friends about bombing Iran either.  I thought Obama's plan on healthcare was clear despite the folks interviewed in Ohio by ABC not thinking so.  They didn't seem to have a lot new to say and probably won't from here on out so how they handle themselves becomes really important.

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kdc521 5 pts

I watched the debates tonight and I thought that both candidates did a good job.  I would feel confident with either of them as president.  (Now, their VP picks...that's another story.)

Anyway, for the first time I felt really confident in my Obama/Biden pick.  (Previously, I was still a little hesitant due to Obama's lack of extensive experience.)  Truthfully, (in my opinion) no one person is truly"qualified" to be president until they do the job.  So, it boils down to character and positions on policy. 

I was really disappointed with the manner in which Senator McCain conducted himself. Referring to Obama as "that one"/ refusing to shake his hand at the end of the debate/ etc. - what poor sportsmanship!

As far as where they stand on various things, I just tend to side more with the Obama/Biden ticket ESPECIALLY when it comes to health coverage - I also see it as a "right" in a great country like ours.

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

LOL. Yes, Obama does say "look" a lot. But I associate "look" with informal speech and "my friends" with stuff like "my fellow Americans." It kind of dates McCain. 

But, "look" could stand to be weeded out.

Interesting, I didn't say I was talking about McCain. :-)

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Toto 5 pts

Are you implying that McCain's explanation about Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae had something to do with racism?  

Elisa Camahort 5 pts

...as much as McCain needs to stop saying "my friends", Obama could stand to stop saying "Look..."

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Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

I have no idea how you kept up like you did.

Great job.

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media girl 5 pts

What was the subtext of McCain's thing about "that one"? That ... what? It struck me as odd.

I see the Obama campaign is asking now, too. 

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media girl 5 pts

Did McCain assume we're all too dumb to have known about home mortgage orgs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? Or did he just assume the black guy wouldn't know?

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MMarquit 5 pts

I loved the questions that were asked tonight. The answers further solidified my vote for Obama.

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

"Obama wants to give everyone healthcare and McCain wants to give everyone a house," said Alex Castellanos, a Republican media consultant on CNN. He wondered how is a country that's broke going to do that. LOL. He and Bennett said Obama won the debate.

Thank you, Lisa. 

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

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Maria Niles 5 pts

Thanks for capturing the key points so well!

Lisa Stone 6 pts

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sgranger 5 pts

I just watched it on TiVo twice - no handshake.

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

You are very kind indeed -- I'm sorry I missed so much!

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

Russia's got plenty ( http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_47... ) of the black gold.  Perhaps we're being prepared to think it's okay to despise Russia again.

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Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

I need to rewind my tivo

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Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

Did John McCain just refuse to shake Obama's hand?
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Liz Henry 5 pts

 I can't get over how you keep up with it and without cussing, too.

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Maria Niles 5 pts

Watching CNN HD: Tom, John & Barack all have a lot of makeup. Every analyst (including Republicans) has Obama up on points.

Lisa Stone 6 pts

What don't you know and how will you learn it?

Obama: My wife Michelle is here and she could give you a longer list. One of the things we know about the presidency, it's never about the challenges you do know, it's about the challenges you don't. If it weren't for this country, I wouldn't be standing here ... the question in this election is, are we going to pass on that same American Dream to the next generation? ...We've got young peoople who've got the grades and the will and the drive but they just don't have the money. That's what's at stake in this election and that's why I ran for president.

McCain: I think what I don't know is what all of us don't know, and that's what's going to happen at home and abroad. Americans are hurting... There are challenges around the world that are new and different. I have spent my entire life working for this country...I believe in this countr, I believe in its greatness. I am asking the American people to give me another opportunity. Serving this country has been the greatest honor of my life.

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

Here's the link to the video at my blog ( http://bigsole.blogspot.com/2008/10/john-mccain-si... ). Did I hear McCain right tonight, did he say he was just joking with "a veteran buddy" when he sang this or did he say veteran buddies? On the video he's shown singing it in front of a group of veterans ( http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/McCain_unplugged... ) after he was asked a question.

Actually, I still haven't figured out how to post video at BlogHer or I would have considered posting it here so folks wouldn't have to follow a link.

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Maria Niles 5 pts

Can't believe 14 months later ( http://consumerpop.typepad.com/popconsumer/2007/08... ) McCain continues to distort Obama's statement on Pakistan

Lisa Stone 6 pts

If Iran attacks Israel, would you support troops or wait for approval by UN security council

McCain: We obviously would not wait for the UN Security Council. Our challenge is the Iranians are.. the primary threat to the Middle East. If we put enough pressure on the Iranians...we can never allow another holocaust.

Obama: We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. It would threaten Israel...and it would increase the likelihood of nuclear weapons to fall into the hands of terrorists.

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Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

from each candidate made me shift in my seat a bit.

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sgranger 5 pts

I think focusing the debate too strongly on Russia makes it a bigger issue possibly than it is, particularly with the word choice used.

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Liz Henry 5 pts

I so hope that someone is zooming in on McCain's notes. What is he writing?!

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

Obama: They've done evil things.

McCain: If I say yes it means we're reigniting the old car war. If I say yes, then it ignores what they've done.

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

McCain: We are not going to have another cold war with Russia. Long ago I warned about Putin. (KGB in eyes line). He has exhibited most aggressive behavior; I said before, watch Ukraine. We've got to show moral support for McCain and Putin. ...Of course we want to bring international pressure to bear. We will use the leverage, diplomatic and other.

Obama: The resurgence of Russia is one of the central issues that we're going to have to deal with in the next presidency. Agree with many of the points made by Sen. McCain but we can't just provide moral support. . . We've got to provide economic support. The other thing we've got to do is see around these corners....part of the challenge of the next presidency is to...be proactive. We've got to be much more strategic...

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

Obama: We are going to have to make the Iraqi government start taking more responsibility. We are going to have to put more troops in Afghanistan. General M is desperate for more help. We're also going to have to work with the Karzai government. I also said, you are going to have to be more popular iwth your people.

McCain: General P has just aken over the command. Of course we have to do things tactically. We have to double the size of the Afghan army, we have to streamline NATO. We have to have the same strategy. Which Sen. Obama still won't admit that he was wrong about the surge in Iraq. I have confidence that Gen. P, working with the Iraqis. We will succeed and bring our troops home in honor and not in defeat.

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Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

Or wipe North Korea off the map?

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Paddycake 5 pts

You can't go around saying I'm gonna attack Pakistan.

Lisa Stone 6 pts

Obama: Nobody called for the invasion of Pakistan. What I said was. If Pakistan is unable or unwilling to take out Bin Ladin, we should...This is a guy who sang bomb bomb bomb Iran. I don't think that's responsible.

McCain: Not true. I know how to handle these crises. I know how to get Bin Ladin and I'll do it.

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

I missed it - apologies. Anyone else get it? Now Sen. McCain is at the end of his comment.

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topsyturvy86 5 pts

My take on what's happening with the time is McCain is answering and then attacking strongly, forcing Barack to answer in the time allocated and then respond, putting him on the defensive so he either has to over run and not fully respond to McCains attack or spend less time answering properly as he has to respond to the attacks. Seems to me like a strategy.

 They are both doing well, I must say.

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

Obama:

Wouldn't we, if we could have stopped the Holocaust? If we could have stopped Rwanda?

If genocide is happening and we stand idly by, that damages us, I do think that we need to intervene where possible. But there's a lot of cruelty around the world and we're not going to be able to be there all the time.

Darfur. WE could be providing the logistical support, setting up the no fly zone but we can only do that if we can set up the sitaution and lead.

McCain: SEn. Obama would have brought the troops home in defeat. I'll bring them home with honor.

We have have got to be able to We went in to Somalia as a peacekeeping org, we ended up as peacemakers and we left in humiliation. ... You have to temper your opinions with your knowledge f the situation. I know those situations, I've been in them all my life. The security of your men and women serving in the military are my first priority, right after the security of our country. We have to make sure that we stop a holocaust.

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

The more a politician says that, the more suspicious I get. 

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sgranger 5 pts

Twitter has some good fact response activity.  The election page has scrolling tweets - http://election.twitter.com/

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sgranger 5 pts

Brokaw just didn't call him on it as directly.

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

McCain: America is the greatest force for good in the world. We are peacemakers. We are peacekeepers. We need to know when to go in and when not. When is American military power worth....that can only be done by a person with experience...in preventing genocide, preventing terrorism...I am convinced my record, from opposing action in Lebanon, to supporting the surge and Iraq...Sen. Obama was wrong about Iraq and the surge, he was wrong about Georgia and Russia. Now is not the time for on the job training my friends.

Obama: I don't understand how weended up invading acountry that had nothing to do with 9/11. While Sen. McCain as cheerleading the president to go into Iraq. It has been an enormous strain on our troops obviously. (gratitude). We've spent close to $700 bb and we may spend $1 trillion. We need this $10 bb here. There has never been a nation in the history of the world that saw its economy decline and its military power increase....we don't have the resources or the allies to do what we need to be doing.

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KarmaIsGood 5 pts

The guy can't answer his question in the time allotted, what an idiot

Nordette Adams 6 pts

I keep thinking that I could never keep up with the typing in a way that anyone else could understand it.  Way to go, Lisa. :-) 

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

Actually, I used to work at the Savannah River Site so I have nothing against nuclear power on its face, but when McCain said, in an effort to assure us that nuclear power is clean and safe, that he spent time on ships powered by nuclear power, the only thing I thought of was, yeah, but hasn't he had a serious health issue ( http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1779596,00.html )?  Granted, it's more likely his cancer is related to sun exposure.  To be fair, he's in better health than many other Americans his age.  Of course, he's had great health benefits.

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

have you been on Factcheck.org? Dying to know what's up there...

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

WOW. Check out this thread:

http://election.twitter.com/topic?t=%23debate08

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

McCain: Responsibility

Obama: Right

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

as a commodity, Sen. Obama?

Obama: One of the most frequently asked questions I get...Some poeple don't have health insurance. If you've got health care already, then you can keep your plan and your choice of doctor. We're going to work with your doctor to lower the cost of your premiums. If you don't have health insurance, you're going to be able to buy the same insurance we enjoy as federal employees. Sen. McCain has a different approach, a $5,000 tax credit. What he doesn't tell you is that he's going to tax your business... today the chamberof commerce said this si going to be the unraveling of the employer based health care system. That isn't the change we need.

McCain: We need to do all the things that are
- Put health records online
- Sen. Obama will fine you
- I wnat to give every American $5,000 to go get what they want.
- Those people who have employer-based benefits...95 percent will have increased funds to go out and buy the insurance of their choice. Except for those who have gold-plated health insurance plans.
- Of course they all want to buy their employees health insurance?

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