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Liveblogging the debate: Oxford, Mississippi

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I'll be liveblogging the debate, in this thread, tonight at 9pm ET. Join me and share your impressions of both candidates as the evening progresses.

Ari Melber at HuffPo says Obama probably can't win the debate, American Princess has some predictions and Punditmom has some requests.

Do you have predictions or requests of your own?

~~ The Debate Begins Now ~~

2 minutes to answer... the questions haven't been shared or cleared by anyone. The audience promise to remain silent (good thing my family is not there.)

Welcome!

IKE "we must achieve both security and solvency..." at this moment tonight, where do you stand on the financial recovery plan.

Obama: Thanks etc... we are at a defining moment in our history, two wars, worst financial crisis since great depression...those of you on main st have been struggling for awhile. You're wondering how its going to effect me, my job, my house, my ability send kids to college. Move swiftly and wisely - protect taxpayers.

err missed #1
tax payers put money at risk, have the possibilty of getting it back.
no money will pad CEO bank accounts.
help homeowners.

Policy started by Bush and supported by McCain.

McCain: Senator Kennedy in the hospital, thanks etc... I've been not feeling too great about things lately and so have Americans but I'm feeling better now. First time GOP and DEms sitting together trying to work out a solution. We're not talking about failure of Wall Street we're talking about failures on Main St. People will lose jobs, credit and home if we don't fix this. The plan has to have transparency, accountability - a package with a number of essential elements in it. I met with the House Reps and they decided they would be part of the solution to this problem. This isn't the beginning of the end, this is the end of the beginning (err? Huh?) - eliminate dependence on foreign oil.

Lehrer is Obama in favor? O: I haven't seen the languauge but am hopeful. The question we have to ask is yes we have to solve short term and we have to intervene but how is it we shredded regulations?

Lehrer to McCain - are you going to vote for the plan? M- I hope so. I warned about Freddie and Fannie. IKE went into his room and wrote 2 letters - one was congratulations to military and allies second was resignation for the failure. Somehow we've lost that accountability. Greed is now rewarded, corruption rewarded. As president, people will be held accountable.

O: we need responsibility but not just in crisis.

Lehrer determined to get the two to talk to each other (neither seems comfortable with that.)

O: we haven't been paying attention to people, tax policies are a problem.

McCain: We have to fix the system, we have fund. problems. People are paying the price for excess and greed. We have a long way to go, consolidation of agencies that weren't doing their job. I have fund. belief in the goodness & strength in the American worker. Still greatest producer. We have to get through these times. I still believe under the right leadership our best days are ahead of us.

Lehrer - are there fundamental differences between McCain approach and Obama's approach?

M: we have to get spending in washington under control. largest increase in government. we republicans came to power to change government. earmarking is gateway drug to out of control spending and corruption. we spent 3 mllion to study DNA of bears, is that criminal? that was our taxpayer money. as president I will assure you and I will veto every spending bill that comes across my desk. Sen Obama has asked for 932 mlli pork barrel spending. citizens of government waste. That's not how to reign in runaway spending. that's a fund diff.

O: mccain right earmarks have been abused. he's also right lobbyists and special interests intro this but not with me. Mc proposing 300 billion to wealthiest citizens and companies. CEOS of fortune 500 get tax breaks leaving Americans out. we have to grow economy from bottom up. call for tax cuts for 95% of Americans. Giving them a little extra to buy computers and gas.

Mc: O didn't cancel earmarks til after he started his run for president. O didn't mention along with tax cuts he's proposing new spending on new programs. that's a fund diff. I want to cut spending and keep taxes low.

(I'm having trouble hearing Obama

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ioptics 5 pts

Thanks for the post.

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skeeterbess 5 pts

I'm coming from the viewpoint of one who sees homeless camping on the beaches on a daily basis. Granted, most of us spend money on non-essentials. That doesn't negate the fact that the economy is so screwed up, the cost of living so ridiculously out of control, that many working people cannot afford housing and health care.  

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Denise 9 pts moderator

Too simplistic re: working people should be able to afford etc... Americans in general are living far above their means and that's not the government's fault. It's a cultural problem.

My kid living in the tent with the broken zipper complained about having to pay high taxes, high health deductible and always being broke - but then he bought a new guitar.

I could point out all sorts of contradictions, but thought I'd stick to an example in my own family. It's a problem that we as a society need to address rather than looking to the government to resolve our issues. Less spending - at home and in government.

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Denise 9 pts moderator

and did a tiny giggle but it just wasn't enough. We'll have to do double GG viewings tonight.

(Off topic completely... Jess's skanky g/f from season 3 is on Survivor Gabon. Her "real" name is "Sugar" and she's a pin up model.)

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Kim Pearson 5 pts

Has the McCain campaign made a statement about this practice? It was used against him ( http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/ar... )in 2000.

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Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

and I'm calling it a push poll
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Maria Niles 5 pts

is on CNN analyzing the debate so if you watch Rory's journalism hero it'll kind of be (if you squint) like a Gilmore Girls/debate mashup!

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tallgal 5 pts

McCain claimed pre-debate victory, but I just didn't see it.  I thought Obama came across as informed, thoughtful and direct.  He may not have gone to Waziristan, but he knew the issues of the region.  McCain could not even look Obama in the eye. 

The debate really proved the difference in approaches between the two candidates.  McCain relies on 20th century Cold War posturing.  His single-minded focus on Iraq to the exclusion of all else is completely short-sighted and reminiscent of Bush's myopic view.  Obama is not perfect, but I would much rather have someone in the Oval office that focuses on diplomacy, takes time to review diverse opinions -knowing that they are not the single source of all answers, and then pursues a course of action. 

skeeterbess 5 pts

Do we agree that the economy and health care are broken? That working people should be able to afford housing, education, health care and other basic necessities, whether they're laborors or CEOs?  That sick people should not be denied health care just because they're sick? Until those basic needs are addressed our nation is failing her citizens on a very fundamental level. [skeet's stuff - digging my way out of the clutter ( http://skeetsstuff.skeeterbess.com/ )

Kim Pearson 5 pts

In 1980, whenever Jimmy Carter offered a detailed critique of Reagan's positions, Reagan would shake his head and say, "There you go again." Many analysts thought that helped him blunt the substance of Carter's criticisms. I think McCain was trying to do something similar to Obama with that phrase. Whether it works with voters is another question.

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Kim Pearson 5 pts

A few years ago, my computer-assisted reporting students did a team reporting project ( http://www.tcnj.edu/~kpearson/disaster/images/flag... )on disaster preparedness in our region. We found that authorities were playing catch-up to secure our transportation hubs (which is pretty important since we are an hour outside New York) and port security was woefully lacking in resources.

 One thing that came up over and over in our reporting was that the subordination of FEMA within Homeland Security created an additional layer of bureaucracy that often made it harder to respond to disasters.

  ( http://www.tcnj.edu/~kpearson/disaster/images/flag... )

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rlynnkco 5 pts

Yep, Katie (CBS) just reported Kissinger's response as well ..  Obama was right.  I was really sick of the continual 'what senator Obama doesn't understand' statements.  I think Obama did pretty well in his responses without trying to stoop to that level.

Denise 9 pts moderator

We'd have to agree on what "fixed" meant. And to do that we'd have to agree about what is broken. :-)

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Denise 9 pts moderator

it was related to penis size... but I guess that's not really what McCain was talking about. It seems to make as much sense to me as anything else, though.

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skeeterbess 5 pts

Tell ya what Denise - we'll talk marriage after the country is fixed. skeet's stuff - digging my way out of the clutter ( http://skeetsstuff.skeeterbess.com/ )

Denise 9 pts moderator

My first comment was the kids griping because the debate pre-empted our weekend Gilmore Girls marathon. (We're on season three.)

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Kim Pearson 5 pts

Does he think Gov. Palin has the experience and judgment on national security matters to be next in line for the Presidency? What evidence can he provide that she knows how to deal with allies and adversaries?

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skeeterbess 5 pts

Mahalo for that - now we can do point by point - lie by lie - truth by truth.

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sgranger 5 pts

Yes yes yes.  This has been an issue for several years now and was noted by numerous experts repeatedly along with the 911 Commission.  Why has port security been virtually ignored?

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Mom to Gio 5 pts

Listening to McCain and Obama's understanding of every aspect of foreign policy makes me shudder when I think of what would happen if Sarah Palin was in charge.

Lisa Stone 6 pts

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Elisa Camahort 5 pts

JMac is trying to make a point about the dire situation of the people under this dictatorship. I'm sure it's about nutrition or something.

But he's rather incoherent, so I'm not positive.

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Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

and it's a nice break from listening to my kids' piano and discussion of Russia

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Kim Pearson 5 pts

From ABC news, Sept. 15, 2008:

ABC News' Rachel Martin Reports: Former U.S.Secretary of State Henry
Kissinger today told an audience in Washington, DC that the U.S. should
negotiate with Iran "without conditions" and that the next President
should begin such negotiations at a high level.

Here's the link ( http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/ki... ).

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Denise 9 pts moderator

Been asking her since like 1997 or something. LOL

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

McCain: "The average South Korean is 3" taller than the average North Korean?" I'm sorry, can someone explain the issue to me?

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Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

:D

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Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

John McCain just tried to chastise Obama for thinking about going into Pakistan. And saying you just don't say things like that 'outloud'-

seemed a nice time to bust out this little diddy

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Elisa Camahort 5 pts

Very good answers here.

And addressing "naive" comment directly.

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

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Elisa Camahort 5 pts

I do not think that word means what you think it means, JMac.

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Kim Pearson 5 pts

Haven't found real-time non-partisan factchecking, but  FactCheck.org tried to predict what the candidates might be less than truthy about tonight. They have a complation called The Whoppers of 2008 ( http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_whoppe... ).

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sgranger 5 pts

Isn't that a big word for McCain to use, considering he tends to talk down to people?

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Elisa Camahort 5 pts

I'm sure you can find a soldier and a soldier's mother to spout any opinion, because they are people, not a monolithic bloc.

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Denise 9 pts moderator

She's smart and I'd marry her. :-)

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Denise 9 pts moderator

I really hate the bracelet war. Hate.

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Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

McCain Sings Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

Which is why I've just developed a huge respect for @skeeterbess on Twitter who writes me, "@LisaStone Whattever one says re voting record, the other says is a lie. We need to compare votes, side by side"

She is right. A research opportunity for next week!

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Denise 9 pts moderator

making me nervous.

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

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Maria Niles 5 pts

He's not managing to move them off stump speeches. As a moderator I'm not terribly impressed. I think he's a prisoner of the format.

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Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

I didn't mean to Copy and Paste that much.

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Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

From the campaign:

FACT: MCCAIN HAS VOTED FOR BILLIONS IN EARMARKS AND ACTUALLY REQUESTED AT LEAST THREE EARMARKS AND PALIN HAS REQUESTED MILLIONS IN EARMARKS

McCain Has Voted For 12,673 Earmarks Totaling $144 Billion In Just Six Years. In just six of his 25 years in Congress, John McCain voted for spending bills that included 12,763 earmarks totaling $144.408 billion according to the non-partisan Congressional Research Service, which the McCain campaign has cited as an authoritative source for the definition of earmarks. [Appropriations Bills From FYs 1994, 1996, 1998, 2002, 2004 and 2005 for which the Congressional Research Service totaled earmarks and for which John McCain voted for the conference reports. "Earmarks in Appropriation Acts: FY1994, FY1996, FY1998, FY2000, FY2002, FY2004, FY2005," Congressional Research Service, 1/26/06; Senate.gov; Center For American Progress, 4/16/08]

Claim That McCain Has Never Sought A Single Dollar In Earmarks Is “Not True.” “McCain claims to have ‘never sought a single dollar’ in pork barrel funding. It's just not true. … McCain in 2006 co-sponsored legislation that asked for $10-million for an academic center at the University of Arizona to honor the late Supreme Court chief justice William Rehnquist. In 2003, Frank noted, McCain won authorization to buy property to create a buffer zone around Luke Air Force Base in Arizona, and in 1992, McCain asked the Environmental Protection Agency to provide $5-million toward a wastewater project in Nogales, Ariz.” [Politifact, accessed: 9/25/08]

Wall Street Journal: By McCain’s Own Math, His Running Mate Has Requested More Earmarks Per Day Than Obama. “It is difficult to compare Sen. Obama's earmark record with Gov. Palin's -- their states differ in size, for instance, and the two candidates play different roles in the process. But using the same calculation that the McCain campaign uses, the total amount of earmarked dollars divided by the number of working days while each held office (assuming a five-day workweek, every week, for both), Gov. Palin sought $980,000 per workday, compared with roughly $893,000 for Sen. Obama.” [Wall Street Journal, 9/15/08]

This Year, Governor Palin Requested 31 Earmarks Worth $197.8 Million. “But under her leadership, the state of Alaska has requested 31 earmarks worth $197.8 million in next year's federal budget, according to the website of Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), the former chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee.” [Los Angeles Times, 9/1/08]

THE FACTS: MCCAIN’S BUDGET PROPOSAL HAS BEEN CALLED “NOT CREDIBLE”

Washington Post: McCain’s Plan To Balance The Budget By 2013 “Is Not Credible.” “McCain says that President McCain would balance the federal budget by 2013. The plan is not credible. … Mr. McCain sells American voters short -- and he does himself a disservice -- with his implausible claim.” [Editorial, Washington Post, 7/14/08]

New York Times: It’s Unclear How McCain Plans To Balance The Budget. "Mr. McCain has promised once again to balance the budget by the end of his first term in 2013, his advisers said Monday. They were reverting to an earlier pledge that Mr. McCain abandoned in April, when he proposed a series of costly tax cuts and, citing the ailing economy, said that it might take two terms to balance the budget… But it is unclear how Mr. McCain intends to balance the budget. Fiscal analysts who have examined Mr. McCain's plans say his calls to extend President Bush's tax cuts and cut corporate and other taxes without calling for comparable spending cuts could increase the federal budget deficit significantly." [New York Times, 7/8/08]

Wall Street Journal: McCain’s Plans To Eliminate Earmarks Will Not Pay For Lost Revenue From His Tax Cuts. “When asked Wednesday, after a town-hall meeting in Exeter, N.H., how he would balance his proposed budget, Sen. McCain responded, ‘By eliminating wasteful and pork-barrel spending, to start with.’ How much would that get him? In fiscal 2008, there were 11,737 appropriation earmarks totaling $16.8 billion. That is down from a peak in 2005, when there were nearly 13,500 earmarks totaling almost $19 billion. Eliminating earmarks wouldn't restore revenue lost by Sen. McCain's other propositions, including a litany of tax cuts. He plans to not raise taxes, but he also plans to increase the size of the military and institute health-care overhauls.” [Wall Street Journal, 3/14/08]

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

LOL..and crying...LOL...and crying...

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Lisa Stone 6 pts

...just as much as I LOVE Jim Lehrer. I think he's doing a fantastic job -- what do you all think?

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sgranger 5 pts

Maybe I could pay off my mortgage.

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