Love 2.0: Should I Call Him Back?
by avflox

You can feel how fast Los Angeles runs after a vacation somewhere like Hawaii. No sooner have Simone and I been seated at Bossa Nova that we have a waitress hovering over us.

"Are you ready to order?" she asks us right away. Simone already knows what she wants. They both look at me like I'm brain damaged when I peruse the menu. I finally settle for the mozzarella bruschetta and Simone picks up right where she left off in the conversation.

We're talking about a guy she recently stopped seeing. The guy—let's call him Brett—does PR for a major hotel, is sexy, smart, and amazing in bed. The problem? He takes forever to return Simone's texts and calls. OK, maybe not forever. But in a world where we're always plugged in and used to receiving information as it happens, a couple of days might as well be forever.

"I like him so much, he's amazing," Simone says. "But I already have another date on Saturday night and a coffee date on Sunday. Why shouldn't I? I called him on Sunday and he texted me back—didn't even call—he texted me back on Wednesday."

"Did he mention what kept him?" I ask.

Simone scoffed. "Work thing."

I sipped my coffee.

No one needs to read He's Just Not That Into You to know what "work thing" means. We've all done it. The crazy thing is that we all know it only takes two seconds to call or text someone back to let them know we're swamped, because we've all managed to squeeze the time to do it, no matter how busy we are—when we care enough about the other person. And though we all know this, we still all say it as though it makes perfect sense, as though work really takes up every second of the day and the night, and when people tell us this, we never confront them.

We rarely buy it, but we're complicit. Maybe it's because we don't want anyone calling us on our fib. Maybe it's because we're saving it, just in case someone we really like feeds us the line, so that we can try to convince ourselves it's true. You know, just this once.

The waitress appears with my bruschetta and Simone's salad.

"Have you told him you expect a faster turnaround in his responses?" I ask Simone.

"Who doesn’t?" she responds. It's true.

"I think you should call him and tell him you're disappointed in him for lagging and that he needs to make it up to you. Tonight." I smile mischievously.

"I deleted his number," Simone tells me, taking a bite of her spinach salad.

Deletion is the ultimate act. To an ADD generation spoiled by how easy it is to store data to the point we no longer memorize anything, deletion is tantamount to annihilation.

"Gone," Simone says. "I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to be the idiot that keeps calling. You get one get out of jail free card and that's it. I won't wait by my phone. I refuse."

Less than three miles north, our mutual friend Lisa was still hiding at L'Ermitage where she'd checked in four days before to convalesce after a powerful new peel left her looking like someone had put a flamethrower to her face.

"I'm going out of my mind!" she screamed when I returned her call a few hours after touching down. "I've been here for days and I have no idea what else I can do. I have answered every single e-mail in my inbox. I've cataloged all my photos. I've gone through every single song file in my iTunes library to make sure it has the correct album cover image, year, track number—everything. I'm going absolutely insane."

"Honey," I told her. "Go home."

"I can't! I would just die if The Boys saw me like this."

The Boys are her neighbors. Lisa has the particular Los Angeles blessing (or curse, depending how you look at it) of living next to six actors or models. Never mind that the six of them live in a one-bedroom apartment, have only one car among them, hardly look a day over twenty-three and are quite possibly gay—they're beautiful. And, according to Lisa, beautiful men must never see you looking ugly.

"You can't see me," I told her then, "so I want to let you know that I'm rolling my eyes so hard, I'm afraid they're gonna get lodged in the back of my head."

So there was Lisa: slim, fit, tan, blonde. Gorgeous, except for her face—for now, anyway—and trapped in her room. She called room service for vodka. When they asked her if she cared to specify a label, she responded, "whatever works fastest," and hung up.

And then, her iPhone lit up with a new message.

It was an e-mail from a man she'd met three or four weeks earlier at a bar, of all places.

She doesn't remember how she ended up at the Hideout. What she does remember is that it was almost totally dead but she was too tired to find somewhere better and too lonely to go home. She'd scanned the four other patrons: all of them guys and none of them appealing. One, a bit older and somewhat overweight, had suddenly made a move to sit near her when a stranger swept in out of nowhere and put a hand on the small her back.

"There you are," he'd said.

Lisa’d looked up at the handsome, sandy-haired man in his late thirties, then, on a whim, turned to the bartender and blurted out, "we just got married in Las Vegas over the weekend."

"Hard to find parking for some reason," the stranger had said. "You’d think the place was jammed. Sorry to keep you waiting."

"I would have gotten you a drink, baby, but I actually don't know what you like—besides champagne."

Lisa never giggles, but she was giggling.

The stranger had smiled at the bartender, "this is the real reason why you never should marry on an impulse."

The stranger, who, as it turned out, didn’t even live in L.A., took Lisa back to his hotel and they had the dizzying kind of session you have when you really want to have sex but end up only making out all night instead.

This had never happened to Lisa. When she first told me about it, she confessed she hadn't made out with a guy since high school.

"It's usually just sex," she told me. "You know? I mean, we kiss, right, but usually it's like, 'oh, baby, fuck me!' And then we do."

It was true for me, too.

She and the stranger—whose first name she still doesn't know, by the way, because they called each other Mr. and Mrs. Smith all night long—had a furious back and forth over text after he left the next day. Their messaging lasted a week and then as fast as he'd appeared, he was gone. Lisa's last message, an inoffensive, "About to jump in the shower, wishing you were with me," went unanswered.

"I would call him," Lisa told me when we met for tea and macarons before I left. "But I've been busy."

"Besides, it's never good if you extend it," I said, feeling a little like I was handing her a consolation prize. "You know? This is such a perfect fantasy—the way he swept in and saved you, the story of the fake marriage, you both running drunk around a dark, deserted, wet Santa Monica, the steamy make-out later, the lack of strings and names. It's a wonderful story. For the memoirs, as my mother would say."

"Yeah," she responded, looking across the street at a couple walking two shih tzus and a chihuahua.

So now, weeks later, out of the blue, just as he came and just as he disappeared the first time, the fantasy of Mr. Smith was back.

Darling, I have missed your voice and mind. Too many visitors, travel, etc., over here. Worse yet, my phone was stolen and I don't have your number any longer. I have had many thoughts I want to share with you. Put us back in touch.

Lisa rolls her eyes. She's pretty sure she'd e-mailed him her number. Gmail is the ultimate junk-drawer. No one throws anything away. If he'd really wanted to call her, all he would have had to do is run a quick search. Besides, who has their phone stolen?

"Do I call him?" she asks my voicemail. I'm so absorbed while talking to Simone about her own phone issues, I don't hear my phone ring.

After lunch, Simone and I walk back toward her office. I'm about to jump in a cab when her phone vibrates.

"I don't know who this is," she says looking at her Blackberry. "But the only person who'd be calling who isn't a contact is Brett."

"Are you going to answer?" I ask.

"I don't know," she says, still holding the phone without answering. "I'm tired of playing games."

I laugh at the obvious irony and close the cab door. "You like him, just call him!" I yell out the window before the cab pulls back onto S. Beverly.

It's the same advice I would have given Lisa if I'd picked up the phone when she called. It goes against the "don't be too available" rule, but I could care less. I believe in treating others how I want to be treated. If someone calls or messages me and I'm interested in talking with them or seeing them, I will let them know it by being prompt in answering.

Back at L'Ermitage, Mrs. Smith dials Mr. Smith. Why not? He was perfect the first time when he swept in at the nick of time and he's perfect now when he can keep her company without actually seeing her.

BLOGGIE TREATS

Lisa and Simone aren’t the only ones wondering whether they should call a guy back. Bad Mutha Blogger suffered her own panic attack while wondering if she should call back a guy who had taken two weeks to get back to her after their first date. She finally did.

In another corner of the blogosphere, Average Jane also faced the question of whether or not to call a guy back when she missed a call from the cute boy working at her local Whole Foods. She called him, too.

You’d be surprised how many people write in to dating experts or post on forums asking whether they should call someone back. At Datingish, Living_Vs_Existing7 wonders if she should call her dream guy back. At A Real Guy Ville, a reader asks Victor M, resident “typical guy,” if she should call a love interest back after a lukewarm run around. And over at Answerology, a woman shares how guys have lost interest in her for not calling back right away.

Verdict: we’re the instant generation. The three day rule is now officially the three minute rule. You’ve been warned.

Comments

 

I expect instant replies

to my texts.  or at least the same day.  Loved reading this, so glad I'm not on the dating scene though. 

 

http://superfabuloushousewife.blogspot.com/

 

I expect instant replies

I expect instant replies also, but I'm not above sending a quick one out of turn to revive a dead thread!

 

Reads like a novel.

This post reads like a novel, and that's a compliment. :-)

Glad you mentioned He's Just Not that Into You because that's what popped into my head as soon as I saw the post title.  Bought the book and plan to see the movie.

I think whether you call a man back depends on the kind of man you're dealing with and how you expect to be treated.  If you like men who understand the art of courtship, you probably shouldn't call him back because if he doesn't call you himself, he's not all that interested. I find that even busy men will get back to you if they're interested. 

However, an insecure male may be interested but unsure about how to proceed.  A man who's absorbed by work, and I mean work-a-holic absorbed, may also forget to call. If you think shy and insecure is cute, then call the insecure guy back. If you're the type who doesn't mind being put on the backburner, call the workaholic back.

Male testosterone still makes men enjoy the chase (I don't mean game-playing. I mean allowing the male to take more of the lead.) So, a man hiding behind how much courtship and the world has changed is lying.  The world's changed. Men haven't.  

If you've given all the signals that you like him when you saw him last, then he doesn't need a phone call to remind him.  The male memory is not so good when you give him a grocery list or a birth date to recall perhaps.  Desire is different.  If he wants a woman, his loins remind him to call.

But if you only want to have fun and keep it casual, relationship advice doesn't matter. Call everybody back.

Expecting instant replies is a bit much, though, and if a man were blowing up my phone with quick responses to my flirting or worse blowing up my phone when I haven't been flirting, a red flag would go up in my head.  There's a fine line between attraction and obsession. 

Keep in mind these opinions are based on a woman who stopped dating two years ago.  I dated a while following the end of a 22-plus year marriage.  Or was it 23 years? Fuzzy now. Anyway, the last two years have been too hectic for me to entertain the idea of dating.  I realized this when I stood up dates twice because I forgot.  And when I hear stories of women in their 40s or 50s having wild romances and getting married, I get nervous.  So, should I ever have another romance, I suspect the man will have to hit me on the head with three dozen roses or something to get my attention. (I'm older than you, Flox.) :-)

Seriously though.  I hope you're writing a book.

Nordette is a BlogHer CE, personal blog WSATA. Also @ Twitter.

 

Thanks for adding me on

Thanks for adding me on Twitter, Nordette! I can't wait to read your post about marriage material. I have a feeling we're going to get on famously!

I was just telling my friend Parker that I want to do some kind of a get-together with my girlfriends for the He's Just Not That Into you movie. I think it would be incredibly entertaining! I can't remember the last time I did anything like that with my girlfriends. God, these days, between all the jumping around I'm doing, it's amazing I get to see them at all!

You're right: no one needs a call or text to remember they like you. But I don't see anything wrong with expressing a little interest, either.

I think you'll have another romance. I hope you're prepared to vlog the entire 36-roses over the head incident because we're all going to wanna see it. ;)

 

Short story

Women will not know what type of man the're dating on the first date. All men know they're being tested on thier personality and shyness during a date. Don't take the word "tested" the wrong way. People are attracted to other people for different kinds of reasons. Maybe they remind you of someone from your past, or shower you with gifts. Remember, people often have conflicting beliefs abourt relationships.

Workaholics will not forget you if they're interested. The only difference between the world before and the world now, is technology. Men, women, and relationships will never change.

 

Workaholics

Yeah, I know that to be true from personal experience, but I keep trying to give some people hope and others the benefit of the doubt.  In the early stages of getting to know each other, men who are interested show it. :-)

And yes, most people put up a facade in the beginning, I think, unless they've overcomme that sort of thing.

Nordette is a BlogHer CE, personal blog WSATA. Also @ Twitter.

 

Call Him

I think people miss too many opportunities worrying about who will call whom. If someone likes another person, he/she should pick up the phone and express that interest. Sure, there is risk associated with opening yourself up, but the payout could be enormous.

Mocha Dad

www.mochadad.com

 

correction on badmuthablogger quote

Thanks for posting the link to my blog, but just to set the record straight I did not call my date first, he called me 2 weeks later and then left a message, and then I called him back (returned his call). I was wondering what had happened to him, but I was not having a panic attack about it. If you read my post on Zen and the Art of Dating, you'd see that I didn't really give a monkeys whether he called me or not.

BTW I would NEVER call a guy first after a date. I always put the ball in the man's court, because that lets me know he's interested. I like the man to do the chasing. I guess I'm old fashioned at heart.

Great post though!

badmuthablogger

www.badmuthablogger.com

 

mr Smith

Why do I get the feeling Mr. Smith is really married to a Mrs. Smith?

 

do not call

Like a few others, I immediately thought of He's Just Not That Into You when I saw this post (see the movie if you haven't yet!), but then I thought of the wise words of Liz Tuccillo, the co-author of HJNTIY, in her book How to be Single.

 "Do not call, do not call, even when  you have a reason, do not call."

 Actually, here's another post on it:

http://loveeloise.typepad.com/love_eloise/2009/01/put-the-phone-down.html 

 

This is all making me want

This is all making me want to conduct a poll among men to see what they think. In fact, I think I'll start tomorrow!

 

Depends on my ego and sex drive that day!

Hi Avflox. 

 I went to see He's Just Not That Into You a couple weeks ago with a few friends and then followed up with post-movie analysis over drinks (as great gfs do).  We'd all read the book too (the mini-guide - it's a bunch of one-line pointers; VERY poignant). 

And you know, at the end of the day I think people can argue points till their blue in the face over what constitutes 'interested' or 'not interested' behavior.  But for me, I cut it down to basics:  if a man is really interested in you, not even a herd of elephants will stand in his way!  I know this because I'm the same way!  And until such that spectacular guy comes along, I won't waste any time trying to figure out why the 'other men' don't call, not will I make any excuses for them whatsoever.  It then becomes my choice as to whether I'm OK with the 'looseness' of our relationships or not.  Sometimes I am, sometimes I'm not.  Depends on the state of my ego that day and also how horny I am:)

Wonderful writing by the way Avlox.

Delaine Moore

www.iamdivorcednotdead.com

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