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Love 2.0: Should I Call Him Back?

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You can feel how fast Los Angeles runs after a vacation somewhere like Hawaii. No sooner have Simone and I been seated at Bossa Nova that we have a waitress hovering over us.

"Are you ready to order?" she asks us right away. Simone already knows what she wants. They both look at me like I'm brain damaged when I peruse the menu. I finally settle for the mozzarella bruschetta and Simone picks up right where she left off in the conversation.

We're talking about a guy she recently stopped seeing. The guy—let's call him Brett—does PR for a major hotel, is sexy, smart, and amazing in bed. The problem? He takes forever to return Simone's texts and calls. OK, maybe not forever. But in a world where we're always plugged in and used to receiving information as it happens, a couple of days might as well be forever.

"I like him so much, he's amazing," Simone says. "But I already have another date on Saturday night and a coffee date on Sunday. Why shouldn't I? I called him on Sunday and he texted me back—didn't even call—he texted me back on Wednesday."

"Did he mention what kept him?" I ask.

Simone scoffed. "Work thing."

I sipped my coffee.

No one needs to read He's Just Not That Into You to know what "work thing" means. We've all done it. The crazy thing is that we all know it only takes two seconds to call or text someone back to let them know we're swamped, because we've all managed to squeeze the time to do it, no matter how busy we are—when we care enough about the other person. And though we all know this, we still all say it as though it makes perfect sense, as though work really takes up every second of the day and the night, and when people tell us this, we never confront them.

We rarely buy it, but we're complicit. Maybe it's because we don't want anyone calling us on our fib. Maybe it's because we're saving it, just in case someone we really like feeds us the line, so that we can try to convince ourselves it's true. You know, just this once.

The waitress appears with my bruschetta and Simone's salad.

"Have you told him you expect a faster turnaround in his responses?" I ask Simone.

"Who doesn’t?" she responds. It's true.

"I think you should call him and tell him you're disappointed in him for lagging and that he needs to make it up to you. Tonight." I smile mischievously.

"I deleted his number," Simone tells me, taking a bite of her spinach salad.

Deletion is the ultimate act. To an ADD generation spoiled by how easy it is to store data to the point we no longer memorize anything, deletion is tantamount to annihilation.

"Gone," Simone says. "I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to be the idiot that keeps calling. You get one get out of jail free card and that's it. I won't wait by my phone. I refuse."

Less than three miles north, our mutual friend Lisa was still hiding at L'Ermitage where she'd checked in four days before to convalesce after a powerful new peel left her looking like someone had put a flamethrower to her face.

"I'm going out of my mind!" she screamed when I returned her call a few hours after touching down. "I've been here for days and I have no idea what else I can do. I have answered every single e-mail in my inbox. I've cataloged all my photos. I've gone through every single song file in my iTunes library to make sure it has the correct album cover image, year, track number—everything. I'm going absolutely insane."

"Honey," I told her. "Go home."

"I can't! I would just die if The Boys saw me like this."

The Boys are her neighbors. Lisa has the particular Los Angeles blessing (or curse, depending how you look at it) of living next to six actors or models. Never mind that the six of them live in a one-bedroom apartment, have only one car among them, hardly look a day over twenty-three and are quite possibly gay—they're beautiful. And, according to Lisa, beautiful men must never see you looking ugly.

"You can't see me," I told her then, "so I want to let you know that I'm rolling my eyes so hard, I'm afraid they're gonna get lodged in the back of my head."

So there was Lisa: slim, fit, tan, blonde. Gorgeous, except for her face—for now, anyway—and trapped in her

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Writergirl2010 5 pts

To most of the world you ladies are supposed to look so cool and sophisticated. I bet I could get that guy to ask me to marry him. And I wouldn't need a flamethrower face peel or a fancy cell phone. Why do you choose to compete with one another for the attention of men who are only using you to boost thier own egos? They get sex from you and you get nothing that you need. I don't want to insult you or make you feel like I'm attacking you or criticising you. I'm engaged to a former abercrombie and finch model and writing a book about this sort of thing. You live in a place where your best isn't good enough, the plastic surgery, the dieting, the raging insecurety, the games, the gold digging. The self delusion. Why? I've never done any of that and I'm surrounded by men where ever I go and I don't even brush my hair on most days. I'm a total tom boy and I just don't get the female competition thing. I've made girls like you cry on accident. I feel bad about it and I am just so curious. I've been very lucky to be able to pick men's brains for years, my dad is a player to the core. But women are like "wha?"

Delaine Moore 5 pts

Hi Avflox. 

 I went to see He's Just Not That Into You a couple weeks ago with a few friends and then followed up with post-movie analysis over drinks (as great gfs do).  We'd all read the book too (the mini-guide - it's a bunch of one-line pointers; VERY poignant). 

And you know, at the end of the day I think people can argue points till their blue in the face over what constitutes 'interested' or 'not interested' behavior.  But for me, I cut it down to basics:  if a man is really interested in you, not even a herd of elephants will stand in his way!  I know this because I'm the same way!  And until such that spectacular guy comes along, I won't waste any time trying to figure out why the 'other men' don't call, not will I make any excuses for them whatsoever.  It then becomes my choice as to whether I'm OK with the 'looseness' of our relationships or not.  Sometimes I am, sometimes I'm not.  Depends on the state of my ego that day and also how horny I am:)

Wonderful writing by the way Avlox.

Delaine Moore

www.iamdivorcednotdead.com ( http://www.iamdivorcednotdead.com/ )

Because a woman's body never lies...

avflox 5 pts

This is all making me want to conduct a poll among men to see what they think. In fact, I think I'll start tomorrow!

love eloise 5 pts

Like a few others, I immediately thought of He's Just Not That Into You when I saw this post (see the movie if you haven't yet!), but then I thought of the wise words of Liz Tuccillo, the co-author of HJNTIY, in her book How to be Single.

 "Do not call, do not call, even when  you have a reason, do not call."

 Actually, here's another post on it:

http://loveeloise.typepad.com/love_eloise/2009/01/...

Nordette Adams 6 pts

Yeah, I know that to be true from personal experience, but I keep trying to give some people hope and others the benefit of the doubt.  In the early stages of getting to know each other, men who are interested show it. :-)

And yes, most people put up a facade in the beginning, I think, unless they've overcomme that sort of thing.

Nordette ( http://blogher.org/blog/nordette ) is a BlogHer CE, personal blog WSATA ( http://bigsole.blogspot.com ). Also @ Twitter ( http://twitter.com/nordette_verite ).

badmuthablogger 5 pts

Thanks for posting the link to my blog, but just to set the record straight I did not call my date first, he called me 2 weeks later and then left a message, and then I called him back (returned his call). I was wondering what had happened to him, but I was not having a panic attack about it. If you read my post on Zen and the Art of Dating, you'd see that I didn't really give a monkeys whether he called me or not.

BTW I would NEVER call a guy first after a date. I always put the ball in the man's court, because that lets me know he's interested. I like the man to do the chasing. I guess I'm old fashioned at heart.

Great post though!

badmuthablogger

www.badmuthablogger.com ( http://www.badmuthablogger.com/ )

Alex Harvey 5 pts

Women will not know what type of man the're dating on the first date. All men know they're being tested on thier personality and shyness during a date. Don't take the word "tested" the wrong way. People are attracted to other people for different kinds of reasons. Maybe they remind you of someone from your past, or shower you with gifts. Remember, people often have conflicting beliefs abourt relationships.

Workaholics will not forget you if they're interested. The only difference between the world before and the world now, is technology. Men, women, and relationships will never change.

mochadad 5 pts

I think people miss too many opportunities worrying about who will call whom. If someone likes another person, he/she should pick up the phone and express that interest. Sure, there is risk associated with opening yourself up, but the payout could be enormous.

Mocha Dad

www.mochadad.com ( http://www.mochadad.com/ )

angell3211 5 pts

Why do I get the feeling Mr. Smith is really married to a Mrs. Smith?

avflox 5 pts

Thanks for adding me on Twitter, Nordette! I can't wait to read your post about marriage material. I have a feeling we're going to get on famously!

I was just telling my friend Parker that I want to do some kind of a get-together with my girlfriends for the He's Just Not That Into you movie. I think it would be incredibly entertaining! I can't remember the last time I did anything like that with my girlfriends. God, these days, between all the jumping around I'm doing, it's amazing I get to see them at all!

You're right: no one needs a call or text to remember they like you. But I don't see anything wrong with expressing a little interest, either.

I think you'll have another romance. I hope you're prepared to vlog the entire 36-roses over the head incident because we're all going to wanna see it. ;)

Nordette Adams 6 pts

This post reads like a novel, and that's a compliment. :-)

Glad you mentioned He's Just Not that Into You because that's what popped into my head as soon as I saw the post title.  Bought the book and plan to see the movie.

I think whether you call a man back depends on the kind of man you're dealing with and how you expect to be treated.  If you like men who understand the art of courtship, you probably shouldn't call him back because if he doesn't call you himself, he's not all that interested. I find that even busy men will get back to you if they're interested. 

However, an insecure male may be interested but unsure about how to proceed.  A man who's absorbed by work, and I mean work-a-holic absorbed, may also forget to call. If you think shy and insecure is cute, then call the insecure guy back. If you're the type who doesn't mind being put on the backburner, call the workaholic back.

Male testosterone still makes men enjoy the chase (I don't mean game-playing. I mean allowing the male to take more of the lead.) So, a man hiding behind how much courtship and the world has changed is lying.  The world's changed. Men haven't.  

If you've given all the signals that you like him when you saw him last, then he doesn't need a phone call to remind him.  The male memory is not so good when you give him a grocery list or a birth date to recall perhaps.  Desire is different.  If he wants a woman, his loins remind him to call.

But if you only want to have fun and keep it casual, relationship advice doesn't matter. Call everybody back.

Expecting instant replies is a bit much, though, and if a man were blowing up my phone with quick responses to my flirting or worse blowing up my phone when I haven't been flirting, a red flag would go up in my head.  There's a fine line between attraction and obsession. 

Keep in mind these opinions are based on a woman who stopped dating two years ago.  I dated a while following the end of a 22-plus year marriage.  Or was it 23 years? Fuzzy now. Anyway, the last two years have been too hectic for me to entertain the idea of dating.  I realized this when I stood up dates twice because I forgot.  And when I hear stories of women in their 40s or 50s having wild romances and getting married, I get nervous ( http://www.blogher.com/are-you-marriage-material-e... ).  So, should I ever have another romance, I suspect the man will have to hit me on the head with three dozen roses or something to get my attention. (I'm older than you, Flox.) :-)

Seriously though.  I hope you're writing a book.

Nordette ( http://blogher.org/blog/nordette ) is a BlogHer CE, personal blog WSATA ( http://bigsole.blogspot.com ). Also @ Twitter ( http://twitter.com/nordette_verite ).

avflox 5 pts

I expect instant replies also, but I'm not above sending a quick one out of turn to revive a dead thread!

Michelle McKinley 5 pts

to my texts.  or at least the same day.  Loved reading this, so glad I'm not on the dating scene though. 

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