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On Mad Men, Women in the Advertising Industry, Diversity, Mentors and Balance: BlogHer Talks to Deutsch CEO Linda Sawyer

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Earlier this year, Advertising Age magazine named its Agency A-List wherein it recognized what they considered the best advertising agencies in 2008 based on key criteria including innovation, effectiveness and growth. Ad Age illustrated the article announcing the selection of the A-List with a group portrait of the leaders of the selected agencies. BlogHer Toby Bloomberg took notice of the illustration on her blog, Diva Marketing:


Illustrator: Robin Eley

Take a look at the composition of the illustration. Power house men in dark suites many holding drinks appear very much the good old boys club. While Ms Sawyer sits demurely to the lower left in a sweet sleeveless shift with her hands politely folded in her lap like a good school girl. She seems squeezed out of the frame .. an after thought that off balances the picture.

Or .. did I get it wrong? Was Ad Age just having some fun spoofing one of its most prestigious honors .. the Agency A-List with an illustration based on the TV show Mad Men about advertising set in the 1960's? Did Ms. Sawyer think that her spot in the illustration was no big deal but part of the joke where she seemed more secretary than CEO?

Ad Age: A Spoof to Mad Men or A Dish To Women?

Linda Sawyer commented:

I am proud that Ad Age chose Deutsch for its prestigious A-List. As part of the publication's concept to showcase the top 10 agencies, it used the trendy Mad Men theme to illustrate the point that as much as things may have changed since 1961, much has not. The illustration was conceived by Ad Age and there was never a photo session or approval process, nor does it reflect the way I dress. If Ad Age was trying to highlight the void and lack of diversity, I am happy to help.

I recently had the pleasure of interviewing Deutsch CEO, Linda Sawyer, who, as CEO of one of the winning A-List agencies, appears in the illustration that Toby Bloomberg blogged about. In our interview we discuss her thoughts on the controversial image, diversity in the advertising industry, mentors and balance. Ms. Sawyer's generosity with her time and thoughtful insight and wisdom make for an interview well worth your listening time.


Run time: 27:30

After listening, I hope you'll share your thoughts about the Ad Age illustration, how and why to increase gender and ethnic diversity in industries such as advertising, the role of mentoring in the careers of women and how to reach work-life balance.

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Maria Niles 5 pts

Thanks for your comment, Belinda and I'll have to check out Gruen Transfer and see if it's watchable here in the U.S.

And you nailed it for all businesses:

figuring out they can make more money with a balanced and emotionally intelligent work force

Bingo!

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Creatively Belle 5 pts

I've only just started watching MadMen and find it tragically sad and clever. I'm so thankful I didn't end up in the advertising industry.

The Gruen Transfer show ( http://www.abc.net.au/tv/gruentransfer/home.htm ) has been fantastic for discussing the advertising industry, how the industry works and the opinion panel is a great way of exploring how ads are made and how they work (or don't). I love best the spoof ads but just about everyone does! I'm pretty sure you can download episodes online, maybe via iView?

I think the way to push through the backward culture of sexism in the advertising industry will take the men figuring out they can make more money with a balanced and emotionally intelligent work force than a backwards one.

All the best,

Belinda

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Maria Niles 5 pts

Thank you for this thoughtful and wonderfully evocative comment, Deb. You've given powerful testimony to the message Ms. Sawyer describes Ad Age as sending.

Maria Niles 5 pts

Thank you for bringing the illustration to our attention. Like you and many of your readers, the message wasn't that clear to me and the language in the article further obscured a message of holding up a mirror. I wonder perhaps if it might have been more obvious to people in the advertising industry rather than us who work with and not for ad agencies.

Ms. Sawyer was wonderful to interview, though, so I'm grateful that the confusion led to the opportunity to dig deeper and hear her thoughts on the range of topics we discussed.

And I agree, cute dress; I'm a fan of the sleeveless shift. But the context reinforces a message of diminished power which with either interpretation of the meaning seems what it was meant to do.

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Deb Rox 5 pts

Thanks, Maria.  It's interesting to look at this cover a few months more into the recession.  I love Mad Men because of the way it brilliantly skewers the commodification of our culture that happened during the post-war time of prosperity.  The show wraps very dark messages in a glamorous and nostalgic exterior, and the Ad Age illustration does the same thing to contemporary Madison Avenue. The fact that decades later the field is still trying to shake the last drops of bourbon out of their almost empty glasses is an indictment of a floundering industry.   This illustration shows that advertising today is led by Mad Men, white men with obsolete business models and ways of thinking, who are foolishly stuck in the past as they try to manipulate declining consumer interest with declining corporate budgets. Advertising may have been mad with power in the 60s, but now they are just mad with desperation. 

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Toby Bloomberg 5 pts

Toby Bloomberg, Diva Marketing

Maria - one of the things I love most about social media is how one idea can spin into more .. your post is a wonderful example. Great interview with Linda Sawyer that helped put the Ad Age cover into perspective. It also gave us a nice behind the scene understanding of the CEO of one of the largest ad agencies.

Imho one of the missed opportunities of the cover was in not including an article about the purpose of using Mad Men as a spoof. As many of the comments of my post indicated people, me included, were just not sure where Ad Age was going with this one. How much stronger the issue would have been if it had even include your interview of Ms. Sawyer. 

 By the way, I have nothing against the dress. In fact, I have a couple in a similar style and our new first lady seems to like the look as well. Reinforces, however, how essential "packaging" is to image.