One thing that continues to fascinate me about the whole Eliot Spitzer prostitution scandal is the renewed vigor in which Americans are eager to frame women as either Madonnas (the good wife, standing by her man, a.ka. Silda Wall Spitzer) or whores (the slut; homewrecker; prostitute, a.k.a. Ashley Dupre). Can we not just accept that women are holistic beings, full of complicated desires and needs? Why is it that in order to be a good wife, we can't be interested in sex, and those who are interested in sex clearly are not wife material?
Ellie at A Bit of a Katie Girl said:
i am exhausted of hearing my choice to prioritize myself and my career questioned. i don’t want to see my friends open up lingerie and kitchenware at their wedding showers because i hate what that implies about a woman’s role in marriage. i don’t want anyone to tell me that i can’t do it all. i’m not sure if i want kids. i’m choosing not to marry young…and that doesn’t mean that i haven’t ever been asked. that i haven’t ever been in love. that i haven’t ever given up a relationship because i realized it was holding me back from the woman i’m meant to become. i hate that i live in a world where i have to see women like ashley dupre and silda spitzer suffer as a result of what can only be classified as gender violence.
Miri at Miripedia takes Ellie's analysis one step further, pointing out how women are pitted against each other in a zero sum game:
what really gets my goat is how this beautiful young girl, Ashley Alexandra Dupre, is being targeted as some kind of harlot or tramp. And by other women, no less. Mainstream news media have gone out in full force on the streets of America to interview women about their take on the issue, and many of them seem to think that this girl is some sort of demonic slut homewrecker.
…particularly here in America, with its dysfunctionally puritanical roots, where women have not only been systematically brainwashed into believing that their sexuality is a shameful, dangerous thing, but where modern day media and government have managed to convince us girls that we should try and break down our fellow sisters who own their sexual power or who possess physical beauty – that we should hate them and destroy them because they pose a threat to those of us following the patriarchal rules; because they instill feelings of attraction, lust and worship in others.
When we want to insult a woman, we call her a slut. Because sexual adventurousness or enjoying her body with multiple partners is seen as shameful and bad.
I'll never forget the one episode that I saw of The Sporanos. Tony was explaining why he frequented prostitutes instead of seeking a sexually satisfying relationship with his wife. He didn't feel that it was right for his wife to use the same mouth that gave him oral sex to kiss his children. This is exactly the source of the problem: men see their sexual needs as dirty and their partners are saints who should not be sullied by their man's animalistic desires. This equation, of course, does not even allow for the possibility that a wife (or other female partner) might have desires of her own.
Fortunately, not all relationships fall into the Madonna/Whore trap. Holly and Chad at Dirty.Filthy.Princess (tag line: "Monogamy – Not Synonymous with Monotony") have been showing how a married couple can keep each other happy in bed since 2005. Their healthy, honest, and open approach toward sex sometimes makes me blush, but always makes me appreciate the importance of communication in a relationship.
Thanks to Holly, I found more wonderful blogs that examine the complex nature of human sexuality. AlexSuze.com isa comprehensive sexuality blog with one of the most interesting (and cryptic) "about me" sections that I have ever seen. At Figleaf's Real Adult Sex, Figleaf and Kochanie are writing thoughtful blogs about, well, real adult sex and deconstructing myths along the way. Figleaf's essay on why he blogs about sex says it all to me:
As a woman you were expected to zealously guard your hymen up to the point you get married (whether you wanted to or not), and then upon receipt of a marriage license you were expected to turn around and let some guy pound away at it whenever he wished (whether you wanted to or not.) Looking in another direction men are expected to run screaming from the room if his wife puts his purse down too close to him. We're supposed to pretend that women faint at the sight of blood, and ignore that men are far more inclined to. We're expected to say we like oral sex even when we don't, and to say we dislike anal sex even supposing we do. We're expected to buy sudoku books with bikini models on the cover and to read Playboy for the articles. We're expected to gradually lose interest in our spouses and not to have affairs. We're expected to stress about unplanned, unwanted pregnancy and to see stopping to put on a condom as unromantic. We expect to believe men don't read romance novels and women don't watch porn, even though there's maybe a 30% crossover both directions. We expect women to depend financially on men and expect men to dump their wives for floozies at the drop of a thong. We're expected to think a model is sexy if she's in a Victoria's Secret poster at the mall, and we're expected to think a mom in workout pants and a sweatshirt isn't sexy if she's pushing a stroller. We expect men to take cold showers if they get an erection, and to take Viagra if they can't. We encourage straight women to kiss in bars, and actual lesbians not to. We're expected both to praise the miracle of birth and deplore it as the wages of sin. We expect young men to have sex they're not ready for, and young women to decline it when they are.
To be honest, I'm not always comfortable with my own sexuality, in large part due to the environment in which I was raised. Good girls definitely didn't, and I was a good girl, so what was wrong with me for wanting to have sex? The last thing I wanted was to be branded a slut. I'm glad that there are writers – especially women and couples - out there willing to share their lives and experiences, dispelling the notion that women who want it are bad people to be used and thrown away, and women you marry are sexless creatures who only put out to make their hubbies happy. Fight the Madonna/Whore dichotomy to live happier, healthier lives.
Suzanne also blogs at Campaign for Unshaved Snatch (CUSS) & Other Rants
Comments
Well Put
I am very impressed with what Figleaf wrote. It really struck me when I was reading it how we put both men and women between a rock and a hard place so to speak. Seeing all our ridiculous notions paired up together about what men and women should and shouldn't do was pretty shocking. While I've heard all these assumptions I don't think I've seen them listed all at once.
I've never had a problem with lingerie at showers. I've always seen it as a way to encourage women to enjoy sex. The showers I've attended are for friends of mine, though and it's more common than not for friends to have similar opinions. I was pretty impressed with my SIL's shower because it was a sex toy shower and the women were pretty upfront with wanting to achieve a great orgasm with sex and open to the various toys and creams. However, I've had many conversations with women who are in the position that Figleaf and you describe. Great post!
Alex Elliot, Formula Fed and Flexible Parenting
Just call me Mary
Thanks for asking the question Suzanne. It's one of my favorites - we are all both. to varying degrees certainly, but my body i intended to a lot f things. run, walk, sleep, carry me through my day, give birth to my children (IF i want to) and both give and receive pleasure. Indeed, time to stop demonizing!
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Alyssa Royse
JUST CAUSE
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Fascinating post
What a high-quality post, Suzanne.
For me, the bottom line comes down to discretion - that is, the use of discretion. When is something an experiment, when is something you experiment with a danger? Communication is mandatory when another person is involved in that experimenting or risk-taking or whatever we want to call trying things we're not sure about - whether it's because of right or wrong, not feeling okay or whatever.
I also think people should accept for themselves what they believe for themselves and leave others alone on some issues. Sorry to be vague but what would this world be like if we all had the exact same sensitivities? We would neither possess nor be able to see shades of anything. Sometimes, I love bright primary colors, but other days, I appreciate the break with a cooler, cloudy day. If everything and everyone was the same...I cannot even imagine. Even though I know that there are people who absolutely freak out when things change even the slightest bit.
Anyway - thanks for this post.
Jill
Writes Like She Talks
So are we still asking for permission to be
sexual?
And only under certain conditions are we allowed to be sexual? We can't have it both ways folks. We are human beings. Human beings have sexual urges. It is not good nor bad. It is not a matter of sin or grace. We are human. This is non-negotiable.
Now yes, we all have overlay of what our respective societies, faith systems and culture tell us is appropriate. We absorb that crap and then spend years plucking the cooties off of us.
If you want to pay fee for services in order to satisfy sexual hunger (and are not a public figure who prosecutes other for doing the same) then go for it. For some folks it is the only means of sexual expression open to them.
If you want to invest in sex toys to release the pressure then I stand with you and wonder if you've tried that Purple gizmo yet? If you want to read amped up romance novels cool.
If you do not want to touch anyone until you found "the one" and marry him/her I'll back you 110%. I may have questions for you but if that is what you want so be it.
But let's not be locked between two impossible choices. These are patriarchal icons imposed by men. They do not define me sexually. They can't! I am more complicated than a asexual woman giving birth and a 24-7 sex machine.
We've got to expand our thinking about this.
Gena - Out On The Stoop
Some thoughts
Gena -
I'm not sure what you're saying is non-negotiable. I always thought people exist along a continuum of desire - what they want for themselves, from themselves and for and from others. And that can change, as they get to know themselves and others and as their likes and dislikes change and their knowledge and experience informs them.
People - men- women - can call the extremes and everything in between whatever they want - the label doesn't mean anything - I agree with you on that. But wanting what is at what end and everything or nothing or some of what is in between on the way to the other end is okay too, no?
Do set me straight if I'm missing it. :)
Jill
Writes Like She Talks
Our Right of Sexual Expression is
Non-Negotiable
This is tough stuff to think about let alone try to write. I wish I could do a better job of it. The Madonna - Whore icon implies that we are either asexual or living just to have sex.
What I see is non-negotiable is the fact that we are full spectrum sexual beings. We can't be locked down between those two polar opposites. We never should have been. That set of icons disallows the concept of a woman having a full range of sexual feelings and experiences. It also prevent women on a cultural level to fully express those feelings.
I can say that "I'm horny" and that brings up all kinds of negative stereotypes. It invokes thoughts of "too much information", class, entitlement, access and status. It sends me to hell by one group and gives a mistaken impression to those that think I want to act on my horniness at any given time.
So we operate in the hypocritical shadows. We have choices but the choices must be kept quiet. Which is why we have electric massage machines at the drug store with instructions that they should not be used for sexual excitement. Our sexuality hidden in plain sight.
We get marketed all the time by advertisers using sex. The standard implication is that we "good girls" can pretend to step over to the "bad girl" side by purchasing products. But what if I am in the middle point? What if I am neither good nor bad. just a person who has a sexual aspect to her total being?
Damn, still not getting to what I want to say. Each of us has a choice in our sexual expression and participation. That is our right. But when one of us goes near or beyond our patriarchal instructed boundaries like "Kristen" we heap scorn on her in order not to be tainted by association. That is not right.
I'm sorry Jill, I might have to take a class in human sexuality to express this properly.
Gena - Out On The Stoop
You did a great job
That was very helpful, Gena, I think I understand how you were saying what you were saying better now.
My experience has been that those extremes aren't unreal or fake - they really do exist - both as something desired and something to be fulfilled. But neither one attains forever and ever. At different times, different elements of either caricature are my reality. That's just life - it's not what someone's told me.
My approach is to just reject the labels and deal with the people in front of me: my husband and myself and my kids. No one else's mores matter to me in the context of my relationship with my husband (to the extent there's no crime or injury to someone!).
To the extent that we want men and women to feel more free to reject the labels, I say amen to that. And I think that's part of what you are saying, yes?
Jill
Writes Like She Talks
Aw shucks...
Thanks for the link, Suzanne, but thanks especially for calling attention to how greviously no-win we get about sex. As I said at the end of that post, "So why do I blog about sex? The real question is why on earth more serious people don't!"
Take care,
figleaf
Here's to making you blush!
Hey Suzanne, thanks for the link! I count making you blush as a compliment!
This post resonates with me. The way I've said it in the past is that women need to find their inner superwhore. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. :-)
O, really?
Great post, Suzzane!
Going by the dose of pop culture I get on television and the movies, I didn't figure the whore-Madonna syndrome was still such a big issue here.
I thought that was something we, the people of the "other world" had to deal with more often.
And yeah, if you are a guy sleeping around, then you are a stud worth salivating after. If you are a woman sleeping around, you are a slut. Grrrrrrrrr!@#$%.
But, but, but...about sex and marriage. I always thought marriage/long-term relationship was the ultimate license to try out many of your sexual fantasies, no?
Yeah, sure, you have to find a middle path that both can deal with, but it can be real fun, right?
I was wrong? Oooopsy! Didn't even realize it was an issue.
:)
Snigdha