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Is Marriage For White People?

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When I first read Jenée Desmond-Harris' article in The Root about an upcoming book by Stanford Law School professor Richard Ralph Banks, "Is Marriage for White People?" what surprised me most wasn't the title, but the book's conclusion.

The title of Banks' forthcoming book, available on September 1st, comes from the mouth of a 12 year-old student featured in a 2006 Washington Post article by Joy Jones.

Richard Ralph Banks

Stanford Law Professor and author, Richard Ralph Banks

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While reflecting on the decline of the traditional two-parent family norm she knew it as a child, Jones invites the reader into a conversation with students from her sixth-grade career exploration class in Southeast Washington, DC.  Her male students express an interest in becoming good fathers but not necessarily husbands.

One student states: "We're not interested in the part about marriage," and another: "Marriage is for white people."  Well, these young men eventually grow up into older men, and assuming that views formed at the age of twleve become ingrained by the age of thirty, Banks argues that black women who desire a relationship, particularly one leading to a emotionally satisfying, economically stable, and mutually beneficial marriage, are better served by marrying interracially.

"No!" I thought to myself, "Surely the answer isn't stated as simply as that!"  So I read an advance copy of the book, as well as an excerpt from the book featured in the August 8, 2011 Wall Street Journal article "An Interracial Fix for Black Marriages." The book opens with a picture of "two Black Americas" juxtaposing the "Obama Ideal"(a Black man married to a Black woman)against the relational reality of many Black families in America.  Banks spends the next five chapters delivering statistics and research that speak to a marriage decline among the black middle class.

What I found to be the book's biggest strength was the stories shared by Banks' from his interview with Black women in their thirties and forties.  

In Chapter 6, we meet Cecelia Edwards, a corporate attorney and law firm partner, who shares about the demise of her marriage to Daryl, a former construction and factory worker.  Using their story as a point of illustration, Banks comments on the the relationship between middle-class women and working class men (the "Blue Collar Brother"), characterizing the core of this relational dynamic as "not to reject him, but to change him."  By the time I got to that sentence all manner of red flags were going off in my mind knowing that entering a marriage with the intention of changing someone is bound to end to in disappointment, regardless of skin color.

Next we meet Carla, a high-earning wife married to a man who makes money, but just not as much money as she does.  Here, Banks concludes,

"When a wife out-earns her husband, the couple cannot conform to that conventional male-breadwinner model.  Rather than adhere to predefined roles, they have no choice but to improvise, to attempt to fashion their own model of a relationship as they patch together expectations developed during their own coming of age."

But this improvisation sounds exactly like what the hard work of marriage is supposed to entail.  Furthermore, could the idea that the "conventional" or "traditional" marriage as the ideal be part of the problem?  Query whether such a model fits within the context of the dual-income, married couple with or without children and whether a husband providing for a family--income notwithstanding--could also mean re-filling the gas tank of the car he just used, folding the laundry that consists mostly of his clothes, or restocking the fridge he just emptied.  For the first year of my own marriage I fit Banks' depiction of the "Power Wife," working full-time after graduating from law school while my husband finished his own academic program.  And yet my husband felt no less of a provider to me or showed himself to be any less responsible for ensuring the health and well-being of our family.

As I stated earlier, what surprised me most about the book was its fairly simplistic conclusion for addressing the "marriage woes" of Black women after sharing stories about marriages which appear to have problems much larger than simply the race of the people involved.  According to Professor Banks,

"If more black women married nonblack men, more black men and women might marry each other.  If black women don't marry because they have too few options, and some black men because they have too many, then black women, by opening themselves to interracial marriage could address both problems at once.  For
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Kayla30000 5 pts

If this is a real problem for black women then the solution starts at home with your sons...raise them to treat women and other people with respect and concern for other's emotions and well being. Don't let rappers teach your sons how to treat women...there aren't very many positive role models in rap.

Isabel_Anders 876 pts

Thank you for this clear perspective and wonderfully good common sense.

 

Blessings,

Isabel

the.me.i.be 121 pts

I had to laugh at your friend's question abt the "stress" of interracial relationships. 

I knew a black woman who dated black men exclusively except ONCE in her life briefly. she said it was so liberating for HER not to have to deal with all the "black man's issues" she had dealt with in all her normal same-race relationships. which implies the opposite of what your friend assumes abt interracial relationships. my friend's interracial dating experience was LESS stressful.

Rebecca Hafkemeyer Lmt 5 pts

I will definitely have to pick this book up, thank you for sharing it and your insights. I never contemplated this aspect of the black community even though I myself am in an interracial relationship.

yesweretogether 5 pts

Rebecca Hafkemeyer Lmt You're welcome. Thanks for reading and commenting.

Charles Simons 6 pts

Totally agreed. I am married to a mixed race woman, and our marriage is no harder or easier than any other marriage. Some might argue that since my wife's mother was white that my wife already had a good understanding fo white culture and that integration wouldn't even be second nature it would be 1st nature. On the contrary, as someone of mixed race, my wife never fully identified with either white people or black people (not that all mixed race persons grow up like that). Instead she grew up with a mindset of equality. If we all had that sense from the start, the idea of interracial relationships being some how easier, or harder or different from other marriages wouldn't even be a factor.

When I look at my wife, I certainly don't see a black woman, or a mixed chick (as she likes to call her self), I see my wife. The mother of my child (who is darker than me, shes gonna be a knock out when shes all grown up.) My parents don't see her race, they see their newest daughter.

The biggest point that needs to be addressed in my estimation, is the young boys in 6th grade who don't think that marriage matters. Sure, families can be different and I'm not saying the "Traditional" roles or models need apply, but they shouldn't be thrown out the window so young in life. Personally, despite all the frustrations and troubles of being married, my life is richer, fuller and sees more love on a daily basis because I come home to a woman that loves me. A partner I can share my troubles with and support her with her troubles. A friend to share joys and triumphs with and a teammate to help execute plans.

Interracial marriage be damned, I married my best friend. =D

yesweretogether 5 pts

Charles Simons

Aw, how sweet. Do make sure you share this with your wife :)

I think there is something to be said about the fact that the title of this book is based on comments made by 6th graders. And I don't write that to diminish the value in what they said, but it would be interesting to have the same conversation with those young men a few years later.

Grace Hwang Lynch 71 pts

yesweretogether

6th graders! And were they all boys, or were girls interviewed as well?

yesweretogether 5 pts

Grace Hwang Lynch Yup. 6th graders.

The article seems to indicate the class was boys and girls, but boys made the comments re: marriage and fatherhood: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/25/AR2006032500029.html

TreniaP 5 pts

The issue of marriage is specifically important for black people, black women in particular, because many of us come from a long line of women and mothers who have never been married. When non-black people come from the perspective that marriage is not important, I don't think it applies to me as a black woman. This isn't true for all black people, but it's certainly true for many of us.

Marriage for many black people brings legitimacy to the relationship, especially for those who have had a familial history of shacking up or more transient households; and quite frankly, many black women are tired of being the "baby mama", whether its because of the awful stereotypes hurled at black women by society and the media or for personal reasons.

As more black women move into the middle and upper-middle class, the desire for marriage seems to increase.

yesweretogether 5 pts

TreniaP

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

kisschronicles 19 pts

You say the title didn't surprise you as much as the conclusion, but the title sure got my attention right away. It's all sorts of charged. Hearing about the book was interesting, but when you got to the point where you started talking about your experiences, that's when I really took notice. Your statement, "My point was that interracial marriage ... [is] not necessarily any harder because of our racial identity, but that doesn't mean it's any easier," is the one that got me. I certainly have no personal experience in marriage, but I've always kind of supposed that interracial marriages were neither harder nor easier than same-race marriages, though I've just never had anybody to confirm it for me. So, really, I'm just glad to hear it. Maybe that's odd of me; I don't know.

yesweretogether 5 pts

kisschronicles

Well I'm glad you're glad, lol.

In the same way that many multiracial/biracial people are pegged into the idea of the "Tragic Mulatto" I feel many people peg interracial couples into the box of "The Tragic Mulatto's Tragic Parents." I think we underestimate the respective cultures of our families or origin can create cross-cultural dynamics in marriage regardless of the race and ethnicity of the people involved. I've been pleasantly surprised at how my conversations with friends who are also married are very much the same whether the friend is in a same-race or interracial marriage.

BarbRey 10 pts

WTH is this all about ? Huh ? Marriage is a sacrament, that is between a man and a woman, it doesn't matter what color you are, If you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, marriage is a blessed union. I've been married 51 years y'all.

eleanore 15 pts

Marriage is not for everyone...but if you going to do it, it should be with the person who's the "best fit", regardless of ethnicity. Plus, if you're an African-American woman, looking past race improves the numbers and it is a numbers game, after all.

-The Spinsterlicious Life

yesweretogether 5 pts

eleanore

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

TinyTitan 6 pts

Children grow up in a broken home - they seem marriage as a failure, but feel the pain of the absence of a father - so they want to be good fathers in hopes of replacing what they lost, but avoid the pain of marriage. Sadly, there is also a maturity issue with most young men in this country, as we live in a society of instant gratification where attempting to fix or work towards something is considered a waste of time, you can remain a child until your are 30, and the men the black youth majority uses as role models are always presented as good fathers, but at the same time players who have several women biding for their attention/love and "giving" them children (I guess they don't make the connection that all of that is possible for said role models because they are more often than not, very wealthy). People get married because they want to, it seems like a "we're in this TOGETHER" thing - bound together by name, taxes, exc. in front of God(s) and the rest of humanity, its a little less scary to take on the world with someone you love and is there to back you up. That's what Marriage should be anyway. Too often its used as a never-ending power struggle between two parties that don't like eachother very much over a long period of time even if they did at first. While it might not have an effect on children if there is actual legal marriage or not, I think miserable broken homes are starting to take the toll on children, and molding their thoughts on the subject in unpleasant ways as giving up the concept all together. Marriage isn't bad, or necessary or anything other than a lifestyle choice, its idiots making their crappy marriage horrible for all those around them that is the problem.

yesweretogether 5 pts

TinyTitan Thanks for reading and commenting. My husband and I were just talking about some of these dynamics last night.

Life Flipping with Grace 11 pts

Interesting topic! I like YOUR conclusion :) Marriage is always complicated.

- Sarah

yesweretogether 5 pts

Life Flipping with Grace Thank you for your feedback. Yes, I agree, quite interesting!

avflox 42 pts

I haven't read the book, so I am going by what I have understood of its content from reviews and posts about it. What I want to know is why marrying is better than not marrying at all. It’s not as though relationships don’t exist without marriage, and if you are involved with people who are, as the book seems to suggest, “beneath” one, it does make more sense to not establish a legal contract that may jeopardize what you have earned and built yourself.

The idea that society may be improved if everyone marries is a premise I don’t know I can support without serious evidence, and by that I mean more than the handful of studies that say married people live longer. Do children really benefit from a two-parent household? What about women who have no significant others, but a solid, constant support network? Is the limbic system not satisfied unless one’s partner is legally bound? I just don’t see a very good case for marriage as something we should be actively encouraging as a “solution” to anything except the way the nation perceives same-sex unions, which continue to subject gay and lesbian citizens to second-class status as far as civil liberties go.

Instead, I’d like to know why it is that black men are not able to reach the same level as their female counterparts. What impedes their progress? What can be done to address these issues? Telling black women to marry someone else does not address the plight of the black community. It strikes me as a complete non-solution. I’m not saying that negative societal views toward interracial marriage or unions are not something that should be addressed: they should. But is encouraging marriage in and of itself a solution?

Am I missing the point? I’m Asian-Hispanic, a woman, and someone who grew up outside her culture, but my level of privilege often impedes me from understanding issues as complex as this one, so by all means, if I am missing the point and need a talking to, feel free to get at me using as many expletives as your heart desires. I will take it as an opportunity to learn, not a personal attack.

yesweretogether 5 pts

avflox

Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts and questions.

I think the basic answer is that marriage endows benefits unique from other relationships.

With regard to the chapter about "marry-down marriages," I wondered why a sense of accomplishment and achievement was tied primarily to education and profession. When you speak of someone who is "beneath" you are you speaking to their character, behavior, or simply how many degrees they have or whether their "collar" is blue or white?

Interesting that you bring up a question about black men because I found that to be the one "voice" lacking in the book considering the topic.