Masturbation: Does your partner know you masturbate?
by susan mernit

So, do you do it?  Pet the mouse, comfort the kitten, make with your muffin, play with the little man in the boat, dive for the pearl, pleasure yourself.

And if you’re in a relationship with someone else, possibly a fella, do you do it when he’s around, or just by your lone self?  

Is this a hey, this is hot come and watch, kind of thing, or is it a “Damn, I’m tired and need to put myself to sleep,” kind of thing?

Or is it a “I am so damn horny and boyfriend is a) snoring b) just came and will soon be snoring c) don’t seem able to give me what I like, anyway?

Or is it a sweeties are nice, but sometimes I want to make love to myself only I don’t want him/her to find out way? Huh?

For people for whom sexual preferences, values about monogamy, views on kink, and degrees of commitment can vary, there seems to be one thing that doesn’t change: If you’re in a committed relationship, being too interested in masturbation and admitting it is often a taboo.

And of course, for people in more “vanilla” aka traditional relationships, admitting you masturbate (and like it) may be bring up additional issues about looking at and being turned on by porn, or about whether fantasies involving others count as breaking vows. And then of course there are those (hot) , fantasies that you might have from time to time that run on tracks of sexual preference it’s not comfortable to admit.

In some ways, it seems like admitting you (like to) masturbate—especially if you have others available—is a final taboo. Common practice would be that we’re all cool with those “single” friends who rock the Rock chick, but we wonder why anyone would want to do that if she was part of a couple?

According to sexologist Dr. Pepper Schwartz in The Gender of Sexuality, 1993 data reports that 65 % of women have tried masturbating, with only 8% doing it weekly—but the idea that “nice girls don’t touch themselves” has clearly driven down these numbers.

As you know, the reasons women masturbate include the following:

  • Feels great
  • Helps you sleep
  • Pain relief (menstruation)
  • Sexual gift to oneself 
  • Improves sexual self knowledge/appetite
  • Sex at your own pace, your way
  • Fantasies outside your usual real life realm
  • Way to try out something new

For my friend Cecile, masturbation provided a fantasy outlet/experience the relationship didn’t. “I was bisexual until a few years ago, but then I met Jess and fell madly in love,” explains Cecile, a trim late 40’s educator living in a fairly conservative Midwestern city. “Jess and I have lived happily together for the past 9 years, it’s been great, only we started getting less sexual. And then, in what seemed like an all of a sudden moment, I started dreaming about men—specifically, I started dreaming about their big you know whats. And I was horny, and those ideas turned me on so much and. I just felt I couldn’t tell Jess—what would she think?”

Cecile hid this hot new addition to her fantasy life from Jess, trotting it out when she was alone, and sometimes—without much success—in her head when they were intimate together. Only then, one night, Jess walked into Cecile’s room, wanting to tell her something, and found Cecile under the covers, clearly going at it. “I was so turned on, but I was mortified,” says Cecile. “Not only was I touching myself instead of her, but I was thinking about GUYS. This was the trigger for us to start a long discussion.”

My friend Martina, who lives with her husband, got laid off, had a long-ill parent die, had a teen-aged child with problems in with a teacher in school, and her husband getting depressed and withdrawn, all in the same month. The stress was incredible and sex—masturbation, specifically—was relaxing.

 “Richard didn’t want to have sex most of the time, and I was miserable. So, there was nothing left but touching myself,” she explains. “3X a day later, I started asking myself if this was compulsive.”

Martina’s self-love mania passed after about a week, and Cecile got agreement she could date men outside of her relationship, but in both cases what stood out was the disconnect between the pleasure and the secrecy.  
“I was having a great time, but I just didn’t want Jess to know what I was doing at first,” Cecile says. “I didn’t want her to think it reflected on her.”

Martina had a similar thought. “I didn’t want Richard to know just how much I was carrying on by myself,” she says. “And I felt embarrassed, like I was a sex maniac or something—I mean, I KNOW he wouldn’t want to make love THAT often.”

A recent Dear Prudence Q&A in Slate addresses this issue from the guy side. Mr. “Stroke of Midnight”, who masturbated at least 2X a day unless he was sure he and his wife were going to have sex, was concerned because his wife saw his masturbation as a rejection of her, and as his being oversexed.

Dear Prudence’s response? “If morning and night is your minimum daily sexual requirement, then even the most ardent wife might want to whip out the Taser when she sees you approaching. Masturbation by married people is perfectly normal and not a problem, unless it becomes one. In your case, it's become one.”
Prudence goes on to advise honesty—and counseling. I’d agree, but I’d want to know what his wife’s sexual dynamic is as well; sounds like arguing and keeping score and feeling hurt has gotten in the way of the intimacy and fun on both sides.

So, when it comes to touching yourself, does your partner know much about your private self-love habits? That vibrator stashed in the night-table? If yes, how much?  If no, why not?

Is this information it is very hard for you to share, and if yes, how did you get past that problem?

And in your opinion, is masturbation one of the last privacy frontiers? Share your views in the comments, please.

Around the blogosphere:
Fabulously Forty: Del William, founder, Eve’s Garden, interviewed by Susan Crain Bakos:
  “When I masturbate, I say I am going to the goddess. Sometimes I worry about being too loud when I come. What must the neighbors think? I live in a Manhattan apartment! Recently, I was visiting upstate; and I heard a woman’s scream coming clear across the lake. I knew she was having an orgasm. The sound sailed proudly and joyously across the water.”

Spoilt: Faking Orgasms | How it feels for a girl
“Faking orgasms is a part of my feminine life. It happens sometimes, and while I grew up thinking it was only a female thing, probably due to the common portrayals of faking in television and film, I never stopped to consider men, and how men can fake. But I don't know how it feels when men fake orgasms, so I can only share how it feels when I do it.”

Queen Mediocretia of Suburbia: In Which I Observe Some Monkeys Being Spanked
“Men in the act of masturbating. Have you seen them? I mean, have you seen them masturbating? And if you have, do they continue, or do they stop? And if you are a woman, have you seen the act from start to finish? I'm thinking that's pretty rare.
I've seen a lot of sex acts, but masturbation is something most men don't let women see.”

And two bonus quotes:

  • If God had intended us not to masturbate S/He would have made our arms shorter.--George Carlin.
  • Don’t knock masturbation. It’s sex with someone I love.--Woody Allen
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Hope I Never Have to Choose - I Want Options

I don't see why I'd have to stop because I'm in a relationship. Is that a part of the marriage contract, that I cede my self pleasuring to another?

I hope I would not take it personal if a guy wanted to wank w/o me and I would want the same courtesy. I mean, sometimes as you wrote it isn't about sex but sexual or mental health.

Sometimes it has to be you and Roscoe Palmer. Or an electrical variation. Sometimes it isn't the partner you have but the partner you need and can't get for whatever reason.

Gena - Out On The Stoop

 

I second this. It's a bit

I second this. It's a bit silly that people are so ashamed by masturbation. I don't really understand the whole if it's something you do alone, then it's BADBADBAD thing.

I don't know that it would bother me if my partner liked masturbating and doing so without me, and probably because I couldn't be with someone who would expect me to stop just because we're together. Masturbation is great for so many reasons, one reason being that it makes a person better at having sex because they understand what they want and what they like, and I think if you're positive about masturbation you'll definitely be positive and enthusiastic about non-solo sex.

It's a taboo, but a silly one that needs to go away. People make it into this BFD when it shouldn't be, especially when in a relationship. And this?

"Don’t knock masturbation. It’s sex with someone I love." Woody Allen

I love this.

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What Goes On -- Putting a human face on mental illness

 

Some men feel threatened

What I've observed is that women expect men to do it, but some husbands feel threatened to learn their wives masturbate. Now that is something that I think says a lot about the level of insecurity in some men, jealous not only of other men but also of sex toys and fingers.

One of my friends wasn't in the mood for sex and told her husband, who was very much in the mood, "You'd better take this bottle of Vaseline Intensive Care and leave me the hell alone."  Now that was cold, but real. 

Nordette Adams is a BlogHer CE & you can find her other stuff through Her 411.

 

Part Of The Issue

Jealousy is definiltely part of the issue for guys if their women handle their own business.  I agree with you on that point.

There's also the issue that a guy's supposed to be able to "Rock" his girl.  He's supposed to be able to turn her on AND get her off.  That's not so much a jealousy issue as a "she doesn't need him for sex" issue.

Then again, if he's slackin' or just not doing the right thing, then that's exactly how he's SUPPOSED to feel, and he needs to step up his game.

The part I find interesting about these types of discussions is when women feel like it's CHEATING if men do that. Searching all over the house, trying to find his magazine and DVD collections, hahaha.. Trying to stop him from getting pleasure from any woman other than her, even if it's an 'imaginary' chick (or, at least, physically impossible for him to actually have sex with, because she's just an image).  

~ Bill
I blog at billcammack.com

 

Guilty Dog Hollering Loudest

Then again, if he's slackin' or just not doing the right thing, then that's exactly how he's SUPPOSED to feel, and he needs to step up his game.

Bill, I had to chuckle at this, if he's slackin' then he should step up his game *or her game.* I think in that case, it's the guilty dog hollers loudest. He's angry she's taking care of herself because her doing that reminds him he's not doing it right. And I guess a woman who thinks her mate enjoys a handjob more than her body should be equally concerned.

My ex used to be jealous of what I might fantasize about. I realized this when he'd ask me out of the blue, "What are you thinking?" He went through a period of spying on me. Well, if you're going to spy, maybe you deserve to find something. The trust is already gone. 

I think it's silly on the part of both genders to be jealous or angry over a partner's masturbation, unless they believe it's genuinely a sign of a failure to please on their parts or the person masturbating is berating them about their lovemaking skills. If so, similar to what you said, they should be concerned.  If they're slacking, do better. If someone's just berating them and saying they require more from them, that's a problem too.

Otherwise, sometimes people get horny and something's got to be done. If one partner's unavailable for whatever reason, well ... Nature calls.

Nordette Adams is a BlogHer CE & you can find her other stuff through Her 411.

 

Maybe women who feel like

Maybe women who feel like their men are cheating on them when they look at porn should consider providing them with homemade porn?  I'm under the impression that men are very much stimulated by visual things much more than women, and that's why they like to have porn while they masturbate. So a guy wouldn't look at porn *as much* if he had recordings of his partner doing something naughty? 

I know it wouldn't eradicate the need for porn for every guy, but it can't hurt to try.

 

But then

But if you break up, some of them would post it on the Internet. I base this belief on the many people who report their exes have done everything from break into their college registration accounts and have withdrawn them from school using the passwords they were dumb enough to give them while dating to exes that have screwed with mail and credit reports. It would be wise to take human nature into account before doing this and be prepared for potential fall out. Sometimes people don't realize they're dating vindictive person until after they break up with them.

Nordette Adams is a BlogHer CE & you can find her other stuff through Her 411.

 

That's true Nordette, but

Of course that's true Nordette, but you always take a risk when you're in a relationship and you make yourself vulnerable. There's many things people do in a relationship that they wouldn't do if they thought it was going to end (i.e. get married, have kids, buy a house, and for some people even have sex in the first place). In fact don't many relationships end because a partner holds back and doesn't fully trust the other? Though you do give yet another good reason to take things slow and not to do too much until you're sure you'd trust your partner 100%.

 

Good points.

I'm more cautious in my older age. :-)  For instance, I'm thinking now that my name will start showing up on Google with the word "masturbate." LOL. I guess I'll never be able to get a job as a teacher down here. 

Nordette Adams is a BlogHer CE & you can find her other stuff through Her 411.

 

Totally...

hahaha Yeah... There are lots of threads I haven't jumped in on here because I don't want the Google word association haha :D

This particular topic was interesting enough to risk it, hehe

~ Bill
I blog at billcammack.com

 

Don't hate, masturbate!

This is one of my "thank God for the web" stories. I was much younger and in a long-term relationship. It wasn't the first time I'd lived with somebody, but definitely the first time I had encountered my partner masturbating.

I remember, like one of the women you mentioned, feeling sexually inadequate. Why, I demanded, if you have me in the bed in the next room, do you feel the need to masturbate in the bathroom? Am I doing something wrong? What the hell?

I was furious. I wrote a blog post about it and got the sort of feedback you give here from a friend of mine who'd been married for some time. Sometimes no one can love you like you can, sometimes, there's a desire to please yourself and not engage in a communion experience.

Later, I would realize that it wasn't the act itself that bothered me, but the fact that he'd felt he had to hide to do it. That was the disconnect. That was one of the main reasons the relationship didn't work. We couldn't talk about things with one another, whether it was sexual or emotional or mundane, we didn't have the words for them.

We were young. In time, we found the words. We were on and off for a few years, eventually even trying a hand at polyamory to explore our differing desires. The relationship eventually concluded when we realized we had different goals we wanted to pursue, but it was a more natural thing. I think, if we'd kept in touch, we would have become great friends because of the strong basis we managed to form.

But I will never forget that first incident. By that time I had done and been part of many non-vanilla things, but the shock I experienced there--it drives the point home about how many taboos manage to exist around masturbation, why we do it, what it means, and so on.

As for me, I've been masturbating for as long as I can remember. I do it whether I am single or not, alone and in the company of those with whom I share myself sexually. I enjoy watching someone else please themselves and enjoy being watched when I do the same.

When I'm alone, though, and not subject to anyone else's schedule, I can go for hours. My ex-husband used to joke that I should work closely with sex toy companies to make an AV-proof Jackrabbit prototype--I was burning mine out almost on a quarterly basis!

 

Integral part of my relationship

I masturbate more than ever since I've been in a relationship, at the request of my BF. He LOVES to watch (whether it's part of foreplay, while watching TV, in the car while he's driving...anywhere) and he loves it when I touch myself during sex. He bought me my first vibrator and I often use one during intercourse.

We only see each other a few times a month so I do it on webcam in between. I never had an issue doing it during sex but when he wanted to just watch me, alone, I was nervous about it. Now it makes me feel sexy. I like that he doesn't watch porn, just videos of us together or videos and photos of me (sounds naive, I know, but I don't think he'd lie since he knows I'd be fine with it anyway).

As far as masturbation in general, I actually never felt an urge to do it at all until I was about 18. A few advice columns I read in magazines suggested trying it, so I did. It was good, I guess, to learn my way around "the area".

The only problem is that if I've been masturbating a lot, especially with a vibrator, it's harder for my boyfriend to give me orgasms. Since I always know when I will be having sex, I just leave the vibrator alone for a few days prior and it's no problem. We are moving in together so I guess it will be more difficult after that.

Overall masturbation is a great addition to our sexual routine. To the women who hide it from their partners, most guys (or girls) would probably enjoy watching and wouldn't be offended at all. No reason to be ashamed. 

 

comments on comments

 Tbanks for sharing here, everyone. Lots of good comments.  Gena, I agree no one should have to choose. Nordette, you named it in terms of slacking! Bill, thanks for your perspective. abgirl and AV,  your comments remind me that maturbation can be both very erotic--and a form of safe sex you can choose with a partner. 

 

 

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Absolutely, Susan. And a

Absolutely, Susan. And a great way to get to know what your partner likes and vice versa.

 

Good timing!

So glad i found this.  I was just having this conversation with a bunch of friends this past weekend.  Was so sad to hear someone i thought was pretty progressive say they would feel like they weren't satisfying their partner if they masturbate.  How ridiculous!

 

My partner doesn't know, and

My partner doesn't know, and I'm shy to let him know about it, you know for the female masturbation it seems like a bigger issue, more personal, whereas for the male it really is just objects, and unemotional.

 

Talking about it

 My boyfriend and I have always been really open with each other about sex, and that includes masturbation. Although I've never seen him do it, or vice versa, we both talk about it, and pretty casually at that. We don't live together at this point, so the "watching" aspect may change in the future.

 To be honest, he's the one that really helped me feel comfortable with it. I used to be really ashamed of the fact that I would masturbate, but we both understand it's normal and acceptable within our relationship, so our conversations about it have never turned awkward. He actually texted me the other day to tell me he missed me...and that his wrist hurt. 

 

"Love is the greatest power, but no one has yet figured out how to put it into a bomb." --Ashleigh Brilliant

 

We both do and know. No

We both do and know. No problem. End of story.