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A Modern Day Hero Against Bad Parenting

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Friends, I have a new hero. He’s the star of one of the most amazing stories I think I’ve ever heard, told to me recently by my friend, Erin. So settle in, maybe pour yourself a glass of sherry (who drinks sherry?). You’re really going to enjoy this one.

THE MOST AMAZING STORY EVER

Bagel Saturday

Erin’s dad was at the Manhattan Beach Bagel Company -- one of his usual haunts -- spread out with his breakfast and the newspaper, poised to enjoy a lovely morning.

Then the wrecking crew came in. A tattered, wits-end-looking couple and their two little terrors, trailing a veritable monster truck rally of plastic vehicles. Which they proceeded to race around, bumping into other patrons and causing a general ruckus. Meanwhile, the parents sat enjoying their breakfast in a dreamlike state of oblivion.

Erin’s dad gathered up his things, dragged a chair right up to the parents’ table, sat down, and returned to reading his paper. The following exchange then took place:

Parents: “Um, hello?”

Erin’s Dad: [Folds the paper down to get a look at them. Smiles.] “Morning!” [Folds paper back up.]

Parents: “This is our table.”

Erin’s Dad: “Oh, I know.”

Parents: “Then what are you doing here?”

Erin’s Dad: [Folds up paper slowly for maximum dramatic impact. Sets paper down. Leans in conspiratorially. Lowers voice.] “You know, it’s the weirdest thing -- there’s these two little shits running around, wreaking havoc through this entire restaurant. Slamming into people with their toys. Yelling, screaming. But oddly enough, this seems to be the one table they’re not bothering. So I thought I’d take shelter and join you.” [Wink.]

THE END

Wow. I want to be Erin’s dad when I grow up. And I must say, I admire the creativity of his approach -- it even earned him (allegedly) a round of applause upon the offending family’s departure. Me? I’m generally fond of the withering stare to the parents, then a quick glance over to the kids in question (just so we’re all on the same page with what this withering stare is about). But in the shadow of such a heroic story, this just seems like the coward’s way out.

My husband Drew goes straight to the source. He’s a magnet for kids with wheeled toys when we’re out and about, and they’re perpetually running over his feet. He’ll lean down, get right in their grill, and shout “Watch it!” directly at the kid -- no matter the age. He’s a strong believer that confronting parents is pointless. If they had any sense, they’d have been embarrassed by their kids’ behavior ages ago. But yelling at the kid just might scare some manners into them. Hell, it scares me.

So what do you guys think? What’s the best way to fight bad behavior in public? Confronting the parents, or the little perps themselves? Or just being a straight-up badass like Erin’s dad?

PS, if you have any stories of heroism against bad parenting, send them my way -- I just might have to start a page on this.

 

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Kaitlyn S C Hatch 6 pts

Oh my goodness! I'd have applauded too! 

It's such a sticky issue, really. As I'm not a parent I know that I definitely have absolutely no right to comment on other people's parenting (Or lack of it) but this was so simple a solution, really. I mean, they can't really argue with it, can they? They could try but it would just fall flat. 

 

Genius. 

AspiringChange 6 pts

I hope you don't mind but this is such a topical post and provoked such a range of responses, I posted it on my Facebook site to share with others https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aspiring-Change/132216300137852

MaybeBabyMaybeNotLiz 6 pts

 AspiringChange Well of course I don't mind! Thanks so much for sharing, and I'm glad you liked it!

katiegregory 6 pts

i know, start playing with the kids.  the parents will be so horrified that their little angels are being talk to by a stranger, that they'll scoop them off and hurry away in terror.  AND you get to play with trucks for a few minutes.  *win*

amy.pictureit 5 pts

That's a pretty funny story and I think that (besides calling them "shits") if the kids were that out of control the parents should have been called out on their lack of response. 

 

As a parent you learn to accept the fact that there are times when your kids are going to act out. You do your best to teach them proper etiquette and remove them from the situation if need be, no matter how exhausting it is. You're a mom and whether you like it or not, you need to be responsible, even if you're tired or having a bad day. I have seen plenty of parents completely abandon their kids while they had their own little vacation. Not cool. 

 

I would also say that if my son accidentally bumped into some guys toes and that guy yelled in my kid's face, I would be peeved. It's never okay to yell in a kids face. Ask the kid to stop or let the parent/s know what's happening. 

Shellireads 7 pts

I applaud this man. So many parents seem to feel that other people should cater to their ill mannered out of control children and it is not cute it is harmful (this children will not just automatically learn to behave themselves in public as they age) and inconsiderate. I'm glad this one took a stand for all of us fed up victims of poor parenting!

aym 15 pts

I love this story. Good for Erin's dad. The real issue isn't that kids misbehave in public -- it's that the parents aren't doing anything about it. That's what annoys people. I've yanked my kid out of restaurants, I've given him time-outs at baseball stadiums, etc. And people don't seem too bothered by him, but I think it's *because* they see me taking action.

Shellireads 7 pts

I applaud this man. So many parents seem to feel that other people should cater to their ill mannered out of control children and it is not cute it is harmful (this children will not just automatically learn to behave themselves in public as they age) and inconsiderate. I'm glad this one took a stand for all of us fed up victims of poor parenting!

Cynthia Wylie 7 pts

We have four kids 3 years apart.  We only went out to eat 4 times a year: for each of their birthdays and they got to choose the restaurant (within reason - i.e. not Chinois).  That's it.  We always went super early, asked to be seated in the back, near the restroom preferably a part of the restaurant that was closed.  Ha, ha.  Hostesses took one look at our family and almost always agreed.  The cool thing is eating out became so special to them.  A really big deal.  They are all really hyperactive but I never would have let them run into another person.  Or run their toys into another person.  And I would add, if your child has autism and can't control him or herself in public, then don't take them out!   Kids are not entitled to go out to eat!!  I wrote a blog entry about kids having too much power in a family and this seems like a good example of it.

jpshaw 11 pts

We have a son with autism (Asperger's) who often acts up (or used to) in public when he was over-stimulated. As a mother my job is to protect my son but also protect those around him and teach my son that having disabilities is no excuse for behaving a certain way. So when he acts up and begins causing trouble, my husband removes him from the problem not the other way by making others tolerate him and his inability to behave. He goes to the car for a cool down, to play with his cars, relax, while my other son and I finish shopping. We have taught our son coping mechanisms, to use his words when things become too much, and yes we get looks, yes we get that child can be out of control, but we never stop working on our son's behavior and teaching him how to handle what he can't. Because one day he will not be a child and he cannot just go out Asperger's or not and scream at people, shout and hit them and then say it's okay I have autism.

Bibliomama 7 pts

 jpshaw My thanks and admiration to you. I am never bothered by or judgmental of people whose kids are loud or disruptive, because kids are like that sometimes - only of people who let it go completely unaddressed. 

We Band of Mothers 23 pts

 jpshaw

 You are my hero.  You are one of the first mothers I have ever heard acknowledge that we can't expect the world to adapt to our children (and all their varying needs), but we must help our children adapt to the world.  Bravo. 

SlightlySingleMom 6 pts

He couldn't have handled it better. Love him!

anneisanne 25 pts

Awesome!  I had to cut off a neighbor whose kids I liked, but were so destructive, I couldn't take it anymore.  Once they were with me and running around in public, on a busy street, and when I told them the jig was up, they exclaimed "But everybody knows we're just kids, so it's fine."  Their mother famously repeats that she knows her kids are "bad" but does absolutely nothing to correct their behavior.  I can't hold back the ocean.   That and those little shits scratched up a desk that belonged to my grandmother, that I had to go to an auction to purchase.   

thesnarkyblogger 6 pts

That's not at all the direction I thought this was going to go. I thought he was going to say something along the lines of the kids invading everyone else's space/privacy/enjoyment with no regards and no care from the parents that he felt he'd do the same. Very bold and I love it. Though I think the cursing may have been unnecessary to get the point across. People seem to lax in allowing these behaviors to happen in public and withering looks and pointed sighs directed at the parents get you no where.

We Band of Mothers 23 pts

I give my kids the "no running, no screaming" lecture any time we venture out in public. Then, I have to tirelessly endure their questions on why every other child on the planet is allowed to run and scream at restaurants, school functions, parties, etc.

This story made my day.

Klutz Capacitor 11 pts

Even "tattered, wits-end" people are responsible for reining in their kids.

Jane Byers Goodwin 30 pts

Good parents would not allow even a special-needs child to run WILD in a public place and endanger other children - and adults, either. If the behavior comprises the safety of other people, the parents must gather up their child and go home. Period.

emmacarlson 12 pts

Jane Byers Goodwin Thank you, Jane.

Our little one-year-old daughter was - and I'm not exaggerating - run down in a toy store by a kid who was, I'm guessing, about ten. This boy was out of control from the second he walked in - went straight for a trike that was way too big for him and started tearing up and down the single aisle of the small store while the mother made a beeline for something at the very back of the place and paid no attention to him.

After nearly hitting our little one twice, he ran smack into her and then KEPT GOING, pushing her in front of him. I was there in a split second to collect our little girl, got down at the boy's level and all but yelled, "Are you kidding?? She's not even two! You're so much bigger than her and totally out of control - what exactly do you think you're doing??!" He ran to his mother, crying as if he were the injured party, and saying (oddly), "Is this what you wanted to happen?"

The mother followed me out of the store a few minutes later and politely asked to speak to me. She explained that the boy is autistic and, to prevent a further meltdown she had to attend to him first but that they were sorry about the incident.

I'm sympathetic to how much work it must be to have an autistic child and am grateful we are not facing that particular challenge, but I believe firmly that it is 100% your responsibility to control your own children, even (and especially) if they have special needs. This mom was completely absent and unaware of what he was doing at the other end of the store when our child was hurt by her child. That's not OK, no matter what your child's needs are. Period.

Ms Batman 9 pts

Jane Byers Goodwin Amen and thank you and YES YES YES!!!

Cooking Contest Reject 16 pts

I'm good with all of it, with the exception of calling the kids "shits." You gotta draw the line somewhere.

Polish Mama on the Prairie 35 pts

I would love to applaud this. But after one time of a friend of mine doing something along the line of your husband and her proceeding to get jumped by, not one mother of the child, but apparently half the playground since all their friends and family were there? Yeah, I tell the establishment to handle it and I leave.

Ms Batman 9 pts

Special needs or not, the parents should have at THE VERY LEAST made an attempt to keep the corralled by them within a small area leaving the other patrons to enjoy their coffee in peace. It is really unfair that parents think it's ok for their children to interfere in the personal space of strangers because 'they're just kids'. I think what he did was wonderful.. hey if you're going to let your kids run all over me, I'm going to invade your space too. FAIR PLAY. Bravo.....

Lucy's Reality 10 pts

That is hilarious but I guarantee you the parents told everyone how horrid the guy was and he didn't like kids. Listen, I have learned a long time ago that it is easier to smile at the little ones and ignore the parents. I would never attempt to parent the kids, it is not their fault and it is not my place,especially if the parents are there. Parenting is hard and in the end, I wouldn't want someone embarrassing me so I wouldn't do it them, I just would choose to see the joy in the kids playing and who cares about reading a paper? It really is better to find the joy in kids or try to make a parent feel better when their child is having a meltdown than attacking them, you have no idea what their day has been like?

But, I did get a kick out of the story, it was great!!!

suzieq6812 5 pts

@Lucy's Reality

I totally believe that there are a "breed" of parents out now....the ME generation....who totally have no concern with their children misbehaving in public. I've seen it too many time to think it is a rare occurrence. It is not a "bad day" kind of thing. Too bad most mgt is too wimpy to address it and risk losing those 2 parent's business. They'd usually prefer to ignore and lose a room full of customer business...jmho.

Lucy's Reality 10 pts

suzieq6812 My children were disciplined and neither ever got in any trouble in school. But, I have taught them humility, respect and love. We can control our behavior and not others and it is best to live by example. As a teacher I don't believe in humiliating people, adults or children but it seems others feel it is an effective tool, I am assuming all the parents commenting use it as a discipline tool, since they love the story, I mean that is at the heart of this story, humiliation to make a point, right? Personally, I have a problem with it as a tool for their children, I feel bad for their kids, humiliation is wrong in any circumstance, that is truly how I feel, what a way to grow up and learn. Very sad indeed.

ldskatelyn 9 pts

 Lucy's Reality   I think it is wrong to say that parenting the kid is not your responsibility.  What happened to community?  To society raising a child?  Why can't we work together?  You expect teachers to discipline, parents to discipline, heck, even grandparents, but why not others as well?  If I have someone watching my kids all day long, you bet I want them disciplined by the babysitters!  I want someone stopping my child from running into the street, climbing onto the table, drinking or eating something they shouldn't. 

 

Yes, enjoy watching children playing is awesome.  And I love doing it, but when their play is not at a playground, amusement park, or children's museum, it's not quite the same enjoyment.

Lucy's Reality 10 pts

 ldskatelyn As a teacher, seeing all of these comments crack me up, half of you on here would not and do not tolerate a professional disciplining your children. l have attended so many teacher/parent conferences and basically our instruction was to keep our mouths shut because mommy and daddy cannot handle the truth, it is easier to get the kids the hell out of the school and into the 'real world' where now professors are bitching about helicopter parents, so something tells me from statistics that a majority of you parents could not handle hearing anything about your kids and your comments prove it, most of you claim the perfect child, and that my friends is a joke.  Typically, I find the ones cheering the loudest and judging the most are the most pathetic parents because when you judge others so harshly you usually lack something, judging makes you feel superior.

BarnMaven 10 pts

The very first time someone calls my son, who has autism and sometimes has difficulty controlling his behaviors, a "shit" in a coffee shop wins a free cup of coffee in his lap.

Parents like me who have non-neurotypical children, are often the recipients of snide comments, dirty looks and outright judgment in public. The shame of what this man did is not that he talked to the parents about their children - its that he didn't find out first if there were other issues he might not have been aware of before he acted like a judgmental ass.

BarnMaven 10 pts

Annnnnd...before anyone says "well, we weren't talking about special needs kids, just badly behaved kids," I'll just go ahead and say that there is nothing physically about my son that differentiates him from non-neurotypical children. Unless someone was familiar with him personally, there would be nothing about him, short of hanging a sign around his neck, that tells the uninformed that he has autism. NOTHING.

fkhatibloo 6 pts

BarnMaven I hear your frustration at this father's actions. But it is indefensible for TWO parents to stand by obliviously when TWO children are running rampant in a restaurant.My hunch is that, even when your son has outbursts, you're aware of him, aware of the people around him, etc. These parents, given what we've been told in the story, were not.

So, really, I doubt that you would incur the same wrath or treatment that these folks did. So, your argument is a little bit of a straw man.

MarfMom 8 pts

BarnMaven My son has autism and is prone to outbursts, too. And so I generally give parents of kids having outbursts the benefit of the doubt because hey, like you said, their kid might have special needs and I know how hard it can be to control my son in public and how frustrating it is when people judge us. But that said, there's a difference in me letting my child run laps around my table or address him throwing himself on the ground screaming than me letting me child run through a restaurant bumping into other people. I would never feel comfortable sitting back and letting my son smack into strangers. I rarely take both kids out alone and when my husband is out with us, if our son is having a really hard time, one of us takes him outside. Special needs or not, it sounds like the parents should have been at least *trying* something to calm their children down. Special needs is an explanation, not an excuse.

Polish Mama on the Prairie 35 pts

BarnMaven So, you want people to come up to the parents of an out-of-control child and ask, "Is your child special needs? Yes, oh ok, nevermind vs. No? Then (proceed to the conversation above)." I don't see that a. happening and b. working out.
Also, we once went to a play area in a mall and a friend of mine had her daughter get kicked in her catheter (she had leukemia) by a boy. Should she have asked the parents if the boy kicking and who sent her daughter to the hospital if their extremely aggressive behaviour-unchecked child was special needs? Sorry. I feel for parents of special needs children and I respect special needs children. But in no way does this rationalize other people having their rights violated.

Ms Batman 9 pts

BarnMaven I'm sorry, there is absolutely zero circumstances for another person, adult or child to hit another human being. If I had been there, I would have 'bumped' into the parents on my way out b/c clearly they consider it perfectly acceptable behavior.

Shellireads 7 pts

 BarnMaven The shame of your argument is that a because a child or adult has a cognitive or behavioral disability, you seem that person should be excused from not violating the personal space of others. Maybe he could have refrained from calling  them "shits"  but other than that, he was dead on the mark. It seems we use too many excuses for people when someone violates other people's personal space in public. 

No child, regardless of their disability should be able to terrorize a whole restaurant as his parents sit by passively. 

What if the child with a disability unintentionally hurts someone in the middle of their meltdown? I've seen that happen.

I'm sorry, we need an end to excuses and some accountability on the part of the supposed responsible adult. I don't think asking to go out in public and enjoy a cup of coffee and a paper in relative quiet without being run over by someone else's children is not asking too much.

 

Carly Thurman 8 pts

hahahaha! I love it! I hope I do the same thing someday.

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MaybeLadyLiz
MaybeLadyLiz

@GalitBreen It's an even better story to hear in person (with gestures), hopefully I did it justice!

GalitBreen
GalitBreen

@MaybeLadyLiz Well, I think you did! But what does he say? :)

LiteraryFeline
LiteraryFeline

florinda_3rs I love this story. I wish I had the nerve to be this kind of parent.