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A Mother's Sexuality: Taking Back MILF

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I've entertained the discussion of women as Marilyns or Jackies, generalizing to describe problems of misaligned expectations between partners, but it wasn't until I finished reading America's Queen, Jackie Kennedy Onassis' biography by Sarah Bradford, that I realized how wrong these assumptions are, and how damaging they are to women who fall into Marilyn versus Jackie discussions.

Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, by most accounts, always strove to be a good mother to her children. That much is true. What is not mentioned is that while she was not a sex icon as Marilyn Monroe was perceived, she was not a prude. In the sixties, she is said to have embraced the counterculture and had her share of one-night stands. The accounts and photos of the early years of her marriage to Aristotle Onassis in particular, describe a woman who was comfortable with her body, and who very much enjoyed pleasure. Friends she made later in life describe her as someone who not only enjoyed herself, but freely talked with them about their escapades.


Madison Young as Marilyn Monroe

Marilyn Monroe, on the other hand, while idolized as a sex symbol and desired by many men, including Jackie's husband John F. Kennedy, did not live the fantasy life most envision. In the days before her death in 1962, she made tapes for her psychiatrist Dr. Ralph Greenson, discussing the difficulty she had in achieving orgasm:

What I told you is true when I first became your patient. I had never had an orgasm.

I well remember you said an orgasm happens in the mind. You said there was an obstacle in my mind that prevented me from having an orgasm; that it was something that happened early in my life about which I felt so guilty that I did not deserve to have the greatest pleasure there is; that it had to do with something sexual that was very wrong, but my getting pleasure from it caused my guilt. That it was buried in my unconscious. Through analysis we would bring it to the conscious mind where we could get to the guilt and free me to be orgasmic.

She would eventually achieve orgasm after learning to masturbate and finding a lover who took his time, but the quest for pleasure wasn't the only thing on her mind, either. Investigations into her involvement with the Kennedys by CBS would decades later paint a picture of Monroe as a woman who was not only informed but passionate about the politics of her time.

My point is that these two women against which so many of us have measured ourselves are not points on a spectrum between virgin and whore, good and naughty, mother and home-wrecker (Marilyn may have slept with JFK, but Jackie became close to Aristotle Onassis during her sister's affair with him and never stopped competing for his attention with his lover of nine years, the soprano Maria Callas). No, these women aren't points on a two dimensional plane, they're complete beings, with their own motives, drives, goals and stories. Just like every one of us.

THE HOLY MOTHER

The most damaging aspect of the widely believed Jackie/Marilyn dichotomy is the notion that being a sexual being is incompatible with motherhood.

At BlogHer ’10 last year, where I was part of an interactive panel about sexuality, we drew a good crowd, but more women seemed able to share after the discussion than during it. Afterward, talking with different moms, they would all confess that they had wanted to voice opinions or ask questions, but felt unable to do so because they didn't know if there were readers in the room and they didn't want to give the impression that they were there for reasons that by and large went far beyond simple curiosity.

"We view mothers as a-sexual," my friend Sara, 34 and mother of two, said one afternoon when we talked about the disconnect. "We have all these magazine articles, these huge industries, telling us to reclaim our sex lives and giving us tips on how to get our pre-baby bodies back and feel sexy again, but it's all just lip service. You’re not really allowed to do it. These goals are just dangled in front of you as something you should try to achieve in the same way they dangle photographs of Beyonce for hair color. It's one more thing we’re supposed to strive for, but never get, because God forbid if we do manage -- that's a sign of moral turpitude."

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DeadCowGirl 5 pts

We are Madonna's and Whores. Depends on our mood. On the situation. I love Madison for being such a ground breaker!

Thisgirlisgone 15 pts

You make some excellent points in this post...a really good read.

Anna Gordon 5 pts

I love your writing. Great post. Thanks!

litendeavors 7 pts

Such a fantastic, well rounded, thoughtfully put together piece.

We are judged, endlessly...and it seems sexuality is okay when it's on display for someone else..not for ourselves. Then we cease to be this tantalizing sex kitten and are looked on a trashy guttersnipes. It's all about looking sexy but not being sexual creatures.

Thanks for this post!

http://litendeavors.blogspot.com

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avflox 13 pts

Having lived in Los Angeles as long as I have, I have learned to tell the compelling ideas from the doomed ones. The idea of a show for women that isn't afraid to talk about these things is a compelling one. But why give it to Oprah? I think this is something BlogHer should look into if they relaunch their video initiative.

nellewrites 30 pts

It has gotten to the point where if I see your name attached to a post, it is a must read.

You hit so many key points that are valid, with the ultimate result is to encourage people to expand our universe. I got that with and from every paragraph.

Once a parent...most often there is dividing line where parents do not wish to know about the sex lives of their children, and children do not wish to know about the sex lives of their parents. Now part of this is at a certain point in life, there is need to parent and teach our young how to be enlightened, responsible adults, and sometimes that societal norm gets in the way of that essential communication, to our children's detriment.

On another note, three years ago someone called me a MILF. Innocent old me didn't even know what it meant then. When I found out, I laughed it off, but inside, knowing the comment came from someone twenty years younger than me and that it wasn't a joke but more an expression of respect... given all my baggage, I still feel flabbergasted and amused.

I think Oprah should give you your own programme on her new network.

nellewrites ( http://nellewrites.net/ )

Victorious Moms 6 pts

Pure art and awesome! I'm a mom, I'm hot, I got a little belly.... but better yet, I've had these tits since 3rd grade and they just root the whole rest of my beautifully flawed body into looking like I am fit, lol. I love the term milf. And I love it when hot guys say it. Its hot. Right?

Liana Preble CEO Victorious Moms - www.victoriousmoms.org

avflox 13 pts

That's the thing: no one is saying you have to be yelling from rooftops about it. The women in the piece feel that sharing is part of their identity, and fighting to stay true to themselves is a part of that. That doesn't mean every woman should follow suit -- in fact, implying that runs counter to the very heart of my piece, which is centered on the belief that mothers should be who they are, and parent in the way that they find most suitable, and that no one should police them or question them for their efforts to be the best mother they know how to be.

avflox 13 pts

If the book is written by a mother who lives that reality -- of being true to herself -- and offers the views of different mothers, and the hardships associated with that, I think it could be inspirational. I haven't read it, so I can't comment, but her positive response to the piece suggests a kinship I can't ignore.

avflox 13 pts

I can't help but think about other primates when moms share their trouble with one another -- it's inevitably tied to rank and how rank affects resources. I'm no primatologist, but that would be a wicked good study. Maybe we can get Mireya Mayor into it.

avflox 13 pts

This is true of people beyond motherhood. Protocol and tradition have a tendency to trump etiquette, which is founded on decorum and a general degree of kindness and grace. It's unfortunate, but recurring as a social theme, which is why it is so important that these women are brave enough to bring their conflicts and lives into the open. They serve as a model, letting others know they're not alone, and informing those of the opposing views that they are individuals, and that as such, they're just as capable in raising healthy children.

At the end of the day, we're all just primates.

avflox 13 pts

Congratulations on rediscovering this aspect of yourself! I believe we go through many transformations in life and the great task of self-awareness is finding a way to unify all the aspects that feed our spirits. Best to you on your journey!

avflox 13 pts

There is nothing wrong with not talking about sex, so long as that reservation is a part of you that you are comfortable with. The problem arises only when you wish to express yourself, either in language, style, art, performance, and what-have-you, and you find that you cannot, or when you see someone expressing herself and ostracize, shame or needlessly question that person.

I see some interaction among moms these days as very aggressive and negative, but there are a lot of women who are just the opposite, and I am lucky to be part of a community of women like this one, with people like you who are open-minded and able to offer their views and mentorship about motherhood without judgment, even when you disagree.

JennaHatfield 73 pts

Yes and no, probably.

I live an incredibly wonderful life and that includes an incredibly healthy sex life. Will I explain, on the Internet, what that means? No. Will I discuss it with my husband and my very best girlfriend? Sure. Will I discuss it with others who come to me seeking a place to talk about their own issues? Yeah. Will I talk about it with my mom? Uh, no.

I am sure there are those who might think that I'm not owning my sexuality and/or not embracing my whole being, but I think it falls into the same categories as the other issues in my life that I proceed with discretion before talking with people. I don't walk up to strangers and say, "Hi! I'm Jenna and I'm a birth mother" any more than I walk up to strangers and say, "Hi! I'm Jenna and my sex life is wicked awesome." Then again, I blog the hell out of adoption but not sexuality. Some of that can be blamed on my upbringing and some of that can be blamed on other stuff. I am sure that there are others like me with sexual awesomesauce that don't feel comfortable talking outright for fear of judgment or what have you. Which is, of course, the point of AV's post, I think.

(I am loving this conversation as a whole and I'm not purposefully trying to be contrary. Just continuing the awesome dialogue.)

Family Section Editor Jenna Hatfield (@FireMom ( http://twitter.com/FireMom )) blogs at Stop, Drop and Blog ( http://stopdropandblog.com ) and The Chronicles of Munchkin Land ( http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com ). She is a freelance writer and photographer.

Sara_R 5 pts

But this is kinda what I was talking about. Why do we need a guide to simply be ourselves and be allowed to please ourselves (as long as it's not harming our kids)? Does that really need to be spelled out to women?

MommyLite 5 pts

This is EXACTLY what sparked my book "Got Milf? The modern mom's guide to Feeling Fabulous, Looking Great and Rocking a Minivan" -

Sarah Maizes
www.MommyLiteOnline.com ( http://www.MommyLiteOnline.com )

Sara_R 5 pts

Bibliophile21 - You're absolutely right. I told AV that I believe being a mother is one of the harshest, most competitive careers you can get into.

bibliophile21 7 pts

I'm not a mother, but I found this fascinating. I think some very good points were raised, especially about how if people don't like your attitude you can risk loosing your children. It's very sad, but for me I think the saddest thing of all is that a lot of backlash comes from other women/moms. Maybe they have chosen to take that stance because of fear, or because they are expected to, but I think you hit the nail on the head with the Jackie/Marilyn example. Many times I have seen women who would traditionally identify themselves with the stereotypical Jackie identity and they can be so aggressive towards others who step away from that, like it's a betrayal for another member of the "mommy club" to not adhere to the social expectations they themselves cling too.

MiChelle@SpiritRefreshed 5 pts

Great post, and great points! I've only come to terms lately with the fact that I apparently chose to give up the me-ness which was sexy and self aware....for the mom-jeans and minivan mentality. At some point it seemed like a good idea, except I want my sons to know we can be both sensual in our own skin and incredible moms. Thanks AV!

MiChelle Jeneen  www.spiritrefreshed.blogspot.com ( http://www.spiritrefreshed.blogspot.com )

JennaHatfield 73 pts

Holy Amazing Post, AV. Honestly. You pose so many interesting points here that I don't know what to respond to and in what order.

But you're right.

Now, I'll be the first to admit that I'm a sexual woman and that, damn it, I like sex. And then I could stray into areas of gray-truth and attempt to explain that my comment stops there because I don't talk about sex in public because of x, y or z. There's truth in some of those reasons, but it's also a conditioned truth that I'm expected not to talk about such things because, quite simply, I'm a mom. And I think that sucks, by the way.

Thanks for all of the delicious links and reading. You are, as always, an inspiration.

Family Section Editor Jenna Hatfield (@FireMom ( http://twitter.com/FireMom )) blogs at Stop, Drop and Blog ( http://stopdropandblog.com ) and The Chronicles of Munchkin Land ( http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com ). She is a freelance writer and photographer.