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My Daughter, the Bully

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When my daughter was in second grade, she spent most of her free periods lording over the playground. She decided what games were played and who played them. She decided who was “in” and who wasn’t. She decided if your Disney princess tee shirt was cool or so last year. On many days, she sent girls home crying to their mothers. The teachers told me she was a very self-determined little girl. The other parents told me she certainly knew her own mind. No one told me she was a bully.

At home, my daughter was helpful, funny, creative and, in many ways, a true delight. Sure she had her strong-headed moments, but we worked it out. When she bossed her brothers around, we talked about cooperation and teamwork and diplomacy and negotiation and compassion and empathy. When she insisted on doing things her way, we talked about the benefits of compromise and cooperative management. She had always been -- and still continues to be -- very clear of her own boundaries. She knows what she likes and what she doesn’t. We worked on helping her see that others might have a different opinion, and that those opinions are not right or wrong, just different. I had no idea that at school, she was mean, domineering and even cruel. 

It wasn’t until three years later, when I was working with the principal on our elementary school’s character education program, that I learned of my daughter’s behavior. Turns out, a group of mothers stormed into the principal’s office complaining that something must be done. When the principal suggested they speak directly with me, they demurred. “Oh, we don’t want to make waves.” “It would be awkward.” “We know her socially and don’t want to offend her.”

The principal was disappointed by their response. She and I knew each other well, because I had worked on the school’s site council and was active in the PTA. She assured them that I would be open to their input but they still demurred. She agreed to respect their wishes and not say anything to me. She worked with my daughter’s teachers to help my daughter see how her behavior was affecting others. By the start of third grade, my daughter was no longer the playground mean girl. She had been replaced by someone else.

All of this came to mind when I read a recent article in the New York Times about parents whose daughter was being cyber-bullied by a male classmate. When the principal asked if they had contacted the boy’s parents, they said it was too awkward because the fathers coached sports together. What? The fathers “coach” together? My understanding of the idea of coaching is to instruct, model and to advocate. If a child is behaving inappropriately, then the other parent should step up and let the offending child’s parent know. It is very likely the bully’s parent had no idea his child was behaving in this manner. Yet again, an opportunity was missed to collectively teach children the importance of healthy communication, boundaries and about community.

We read a lot about bullying these days. When the headlines are filled with yet another teen suicide as a result of bullying, it is no wonder that parents are struggling with how to advocate for their children. We are all scared and concerned. Helping our children to manage conflict begins at home when they are young. For all the Jerry-Springer/Glen Beck type ranting on TV these days, we are still a people who hate conflict.

I wish the women, who very rightfully were concerned about my daughter’s unacceptable behavior, had the courage to reach out to me. In their efforts to “not make waves,” these mothers missed a chance to teach my daughter and their daughters an important lesson. By operating passive-aggressively through the principal rather than directly with me, they reinforced a style of communication that undercuts individual responsibility and personal power -- a style that I believe has been at the heart of female oppression. They missed the chance to teach all of our daughters that conflict, while uncomfortable, can be handled with respect and dignity. Together, we might have taught our daughters lessons on self-advocacy and self-awareness that could have helped them in their adolescence when bullying takes on a whole new level of intensity with a much higher level of risk. Instead, their daughters learned to avoid conflict and to look to others to solve their

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joywilder 5 pts

Thank you for your open mindedness.

Your daughter is a Leader. An out of control Leader is a Bully.

Glad to hear progress has been made! :D

maghill 5 pts

This is so true, people are always to afraid to say something. But they are the first to complain if something isn't done. As a parent of a special needs child who is now grown. I learned that you have to speak up or nothing will happen. So I do. I tell others that they need to also. Don't sit back and just let things happen because you don't want to make waves. Thank you for your blog. Thank you for being an open minded parent also. Everyone doesn't want to believe their child can do awful things, but they do. My daughter was doing the same type of things. I am glad your daughter and mine were taught to change.

NolanD 5 pts

My son is starting kindergarten in a week and I was "happy" to read this insofar as I would like to keep an eye on his behavior (his preschool teachers told me only that he was ready for K.) What I have observed so far, he is very very spoiled by his grandparents and likes to show it off (possible signs of bullying.) But can also be shy and he is on the small side so sometimes treated as younger (IE maybe bullied?) . So it can go either way but I would prefer as would any parent a non bully-ing environment. I was bullied as a child bc i was overweight until HS and it still effects me today. As a future elem. teacher I honestly feel this is one of the more important issues to focus on in the classroom. Thank You for this emotional and also important article.

crashtestdoll 5 pts

I'd also like to add that, as a former preschool teacher, I think some parents demur because they might be afraid the other parent is one of those "who are you to badmouth my kid!" types who apologize for nothing and excuse everything their children do. We've all met or seen those types of parents, but they honestly are rare, they few who are like that just seem to get a lot of attention, whether in headlines or gossip.

Most parents don't put themselves in the shoes of the alleged bully's parents - if it were your kid doing something socially unacceptable, most of us would absolutely want to know. I'd want to know if my child is behaving or performing in a socially unacceptable manner (to me, bullying IS unacceptable) so that it doesn't get worse and hurt others or malign my child socially as an adult. It's acknowledging that other parents feel the same, that would inspire us to make the move.

multiainjo 5 pts

This is wonderful advice. My child was bullied at school by a little boy. I spoke with his parents, we became friends. That being said I tried very hard not to approach them in a negative way, but more of a "did you know?" kind of way. Because really, what our kids do at school can be such a mystery.

I am very glad I felt comfortable talking to the parents. And that they were kind and open. My daughter and him still don't get along, but there is no more cruel or bullying statements being done.

And I have a new ally in my parenthood struggles.

He bullied a few other kids and their parents shut his parents out of the 'parenting network', which was unfortunate and really didn't solve anything.

Thanks for this article.

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NurseChaCha 5 pts

This certainly brought up many feelings from those days when my daughter was in grade school and middle school.
I am so glad that she is grown up and in college now...
It was stressful and heart wrenching to see what my daughter went through in grade school and middle school, much of which I did not know until the last couple of years.
I do understand reluctance on the part of the mothers feeling unable to speak with the bully's parent as I feel many are ill equipped to see their child as anything but perfect.
I think that the parents have their own "cliques" and dynamics which makes it difficult to approach anyone openly and honestly.
Mother's don't want to be singled out as I have seen happen before, so it isn't always that easy. In other words the mother who attempts to talk with the bully's mother is then gossiped about in retaliation for approaching the mother about the child, and rejected by other mothers.
The school system that my children attended seemed to have a strange culture in that the parents were attempting to obtain their own power and have things their way, also. Such as being on the "right" committees in order to control. Those mothers "in power" could veto your participation in a committee and seemed to spend hours upon hours hovering at school supposedly "helping", which appeared to me to be just one other way of being in control and making certain that their children would get the teachers they wanted or would be considered for special programs.
It all makes my stomach hurt as I write this.
I chose to stay away from the PTA drama for this reason. Many had their own agendas and were not there for the good of the school.
I can assure you that several of these moms who "lived" at school had daughters that were the "Mean Girls" from the movies. I felt that these girls were just following the behavior of their mother's. If it weren't so sad it would be funny.
I'm not sure that I agree that bullying is a normal behavior in grade school, but it certainly does exist. It is a way in which a person or group manipulates to be in a power position. Sort of an Alpha Female domination of sorts.
I think that many of you are naive to all the dynamics that are going on.
I chose not to be a part of it which made me sad. I am talented and could have helped with so many projects etc but I just couldn't stomach all the politics.
For this reason I can now see why many people choose home schooling.
I have no idea what the answer is to all of this. I am all for women being open and honest with each other, talking about problems and solving them together but that is the ideal not the real from what I have seen.
I would hope that teachers and administrators alike would take an active role in re directing a bullying behavior but they do have their hands full with all the other problems our educational system has.

triciabooker 5 pts

tricia booker, creator of mylefthook.com

Very brave. Thanks for writing. I always ask my daughter's teachers about her behavior towards others - whether she's kind, empathetic and supportive - and I expect the teacher to answer me. I was bullied; I'm determined that my daughter will not be bullied, nor will she be the aggressor.

NurseBarb 5 pts

Lisen,

It took courage to post this, thanks. I was thinking about how difficult it is for kids to marshal their own courage and overcome the shame of being bullied to tell an adult. Then when adults, in this case, the other moms didn't themselves have the courage to talk to you directly, it really struck me.

Here were parents, who didn't want to "make waves" felt intimidated or worried about the consequences of speaking up, and yet their own children were on the receiving end of bullying.

You opened a very scary door. You took a big risk here and also let people know that it's ok for them to take a deep breath, and at least try to talk to a parent whose child's behavior is out of bounds.

After working in a Pediatric ICU and seeing a lot of tragedies, I use this script with the parents of my son's friends. "You know, I hope you'll feel comfortable telling me if you notice anything that you're concerned about with our kids, because I'm going to let you know if I have concerns."

Your post may help other parents marshal their courage, because now at least there's a possibility that the parents of a bully will not shut them down, and may listen and possibly work on improving their child's behavior.

In any case, it's empowering for the child who is being bullied to see that their own parent knows how to deal with this awkward and scary situation.

IsleDance 5 pts

It's all too common that the parent of the bully also bullies, unfortunately.

Principals and teachers have the responsibility to confidentially protect the identity of the children and the parents whom are victims to bullying.

Principals and teachers also have the responsibility to immediately fix these situations directly with the bully and with the parents of the bully.

One Friday night, I loaded up my life and headed out... ( http://isledance.blogspot.com )

ohahli 6 pts

How do you protect the identities of the alleged victims? They are accusing someone, the person they are accusing has the right to face their accuser. IsleDance

MoreThanMommy 8 pts

I'm wondering why, if the bullying was happening on school grounds, the principal didn't say anything. It's not the other parents' job to police the playground. Why would the principal and teacher work together without bringing a parent into the mix? I am extremely outspoken, but I would have a lot of trouble approaching another parent about their child's behavior. It is often taken very badly.

I understand your point, and it's clear that you feel like you would have been open to the feedback, but I think the other women's concerns are valid as well. It's not passive-aggressive to approach a person of authority with legitimate concerns. It's defensive. At the very least, the principal could have brought all of you together to mediate the situation. In an ideal world, we would all be able to share our feelings and concerns with one another in a civil manner, but that is not the world in which we live. Simply look at the ugliness surrounding our political climate today and you can see why one might hesitate to confront someone else over something as heated as their child's behavior.

By the way, I think the parents TRIED to tell you in the kindest manner possible... "She certainly knows her own mind" isn't something you say about a 7 or 8 year old who is a joy to be around. =}

Christy

@morethanmommy

evilslutopia 5 pts

I think it's great that you were so open to discussing this. Too often the source of a child's bad behavior is the parents themselves. And then there are the parents that just don't care.

I remember when my daughter was younger she was being treated badly by a classmate. I was friendly with the mother so I called her up to see what was going on. She just wasn't interested in discussing it. She said "I'm trying to teach my daughter to make her own decisions." I responded, "Well, I'm trying to teach my daughter to be a good person."

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lam 5 pts

most parents would not be receptive to a call from another parent telling them that their child was bullying another child, much less a call from a group of parents. The principal failed in his/her duty. The principal should have called all parties together in their office and worked things out. My son has been bullied for a few years now. My experience has been the schools are very ineffective in dealing with this.

justlinda 22 pts

Maybe Mr. Brady had it right after all when Buddy Hinton was bullying one of his brood. Who'da thought...

To echo what Lisa said, I have also had to really consider the repercussions of approaching another child's parents, all the while my own child begging me NOT to.

If only these sorts of things were as easily resolved as they are in every 30-minute situation comedy on TV. But they never are...

JustLinda

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mrlady 5 pts

This line right here? Now we just have to start acting like we care about the village as much as we care about protecting ourselves? So true.

My children have had experiences with a bully in school, and I *wish* I had the opportunity to go straight to the parent. I, unfortunately, had to go straight to the child.

I can understand the concern about 'awkwardness', but so is most of parenting. It's kind of our job to suck up the awkward and press on anyway.

Thank you for sharing your story.

SusanSVS 5 pts

Thanks for this post. I still recall in vivid detail (and many years later) being cruely bullied in Jr. High. My parents had taught me to use words, not fists, which turned out to be useless and worse in the situation.

A few years ago, I learned from my Mom that she and my Dad had spoken with the school VP. Nothing was done and I wonder could anything had been done?

Last year, it was my 30th high school reunion. I had no desire to go but was persuaded to go to the "Camp Fire" girl lunch.

It was fun to see many faces from my youth, spontaneously hugging when we greated. Yet, when one of the primary bulliers walked in, neither she or I said anything and barely looked at one another. She knew, she remembered.

At the end of the lunch, after said bully departed, several of my friends commented that they knew Jr. High had been really hard for me and wished that they would have spoken up at the time.

Perhaps there's another opportunity, in addition to getting parents, teachers and school administrators involved, to teach kids how to challenge a bully when a friend is being tormented.

firoozeh 5 pts

I commend you for wanting to know this information but I bet you are the exception. I don't think most parents of bullies want to know this information and if they were told, I don't think they would do anything about it. There is a certain attitude STILL that you if your kid is being bullied, it's his problem. It seems like the parents of some bullies actually take pride in their kid's behavior. I see it as a bigger pattern of rudeness and general lack of civility that is on display everywhere.

Lisen Stromberg 6 pts

It is true, no parent wants to hear their child is anything less than glorious. But children aren't always perfect, only perfectly and wonderfully themselves. Keep up the kind, respectful, dignified feedback you are obviously giving the parents of the children you teach. It is a gift they need.

Gloria Steinem once said, "The first problem for all of us, women and men, is not to learn but to unlearn." I am working on unlearning each and every day. How about you?
Lisen
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Lisen Stromberg 6 pts

is you gave your son a vote. He learned he was empowered to make choices and how to navigate. You didn't try to solve it for him but he knew you had his back. Brava my friend.

Gloria Steinem once said, "The first problem for all of us, women and men, is not to learn but to unlearn." I am working on unlearning each and every day. How about you?
Lisen
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Lisa Stone 19 pts

Lisen, bravo. I agree with every word.

Now, a take on bullying from the flipside, as the mother of a son who was viciously bullied in middle school: He begged me not to reach out to the parents of two kids who were just awful to him. I was dying to. But after a family conference, he, his stepfather and I came to the conclusion that the principal was utterly ineffectual and the boys' parents were the kind who would simply take a "man-up and learn to take it and ignore it" approach -- in fact, worse yet, they were likely to go to their children and roll their eyes at the situation. In my experience, the parents were bullies themselves.

So I bent to my son's wishes and approached two male teachers at the school, one of whom knew one of the families in question and asked for them to take my son under their wing. It helped. And then my son grew a foot and no one bullied him any more. But the scars remain. I still wish I had moved him from that school, one of my few regrets as a parent.

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brendaparaguay 5 pts

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Finally, a voice from the other side. We have heard so much from the victims of bullying and their mothers, but little from the bullys and their parents. I too was mother to a bully and willingly worked with her behavior when ever I was made aware of it . But like you, I did not always know.

It probably goes without saying that I am a strong person myself and it was always risky for moms to come and talk to me. I always apologized for my childs behavior and tried to work with her. But we have to know what is going on to work on the issues.

Thanks for this fresh perspective. I hope it helps.

kristanhoffman 5 pts

"By operating passive-aggressively through the principal rather than directly with me, they reinforced a style of communication that undercuts individual responsibility and personal power -- a style that I believe has been at the heart of female oppression. They missed the chance to teach all of our daughters that conflict, while uncomfortable, can be handled with respect and dignity. ... Instead, their daughters learned to avoid conflict and to look to others to solve their problems, and my daughter didn’t learn anything."

Positively brilliant.

I hope I can be half as dignified and open-minded as you when I become a mother.

Kristan

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anandi 5 pts

This was an eye-opening article - it's great to hear a perspective like yours!

As we always see on TV shows and after-school specials, the bullying child's parent is portrayed as supporting their kid 100% and blaming the victims for "not standing up for themselves", rather than looking for ways to help their child learn how to modify their behaviors.

So kudos to you for genuinely being open to and wanting to solve the problem. It must have been hard for you to hear, but it's great that things have smoothed out.

queenoftheclick 5 pts

I'm a middle school teacher in Brooklyn, New York. Bullying is always present and I think now that most schools have a zero tolerance for it, the kids are doing it between classes and at lunch more. Parents should be aware to ask children about their day and what happens between classes and in the cafeteria.

I have spoken very gently to parents about their children being bullies. No parent wants to hear that news. Saying that a child isn't being kind to classmates even upsets parents.

Maybe you would have liked to have heard it from other parents, but they didn't tell you because they wouldn't want to hear that news about their own children.

I'm glad your daughter got past that stage. I think bullying will always be a problem in schools.

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Ginger Leigh 5 pts

Thank you for sharing this. I'm not even sure I will even have children, but I do appreciate your message. By day I work with mostly men. In the evening I am surrounded by women. As challenging as both can be, I love them for what/who they are. The following statement from your post couldn't be more accurate and it is refreshing to see someone else point it out:

"By operating passive-aggressively through the principal rather than directly with me, they reinforced a style of communication that undercuts individual responsibility and personal power -- a style that I believe has been at the heart of female oppression."

Perhaps if we were taught this as little girls, we would move through the world in a different way. Instead of anxiety ridden friendships and relationships looming with tension and lacking trust, we could be upfront with each other. We could give each other the respect and courtesy that honesty allows for. We might know that while being faced with the truth from our friends and associates may be uncomfortable at first, eventually it leads to stronger relationships and living life to the best of our abilities while accepting we are never perfect.

Long story short, thank you and I can relate to wishing people would just be honest and open to communication no matter how uncomfortable!

Expat Mum 7 pts

I think the school was remiss in what it did. That a group of mothers went to the Principal with the problem meant that they were seeking help. The school should have been more insistent that you were involved in whatever discussions, and solutions, were decided upon.
I can only assume that because of heightened awareness now, not to mention the threat of litigation, schools will be more proactive when bullying is brought to their attention.

JennaHatfield 59 pts

I wish more people would take an active role in helping other parents during those elementary years. Maybe then I wouldn't have been targeted for almost my whole high school experience. Maybe, just maybe, if another parent had stepped forward and told my bullies' (yes, plural) parents that they were bullies in elementary, maybe they wouldn't have been so in high school.

Maybe.

Jenna Hatfield (@FireMom ( http://twitter.com/FireMom )), from Stop, Drop and Blog ( http://stopdropandblog.com ) and The Chronicles of Munchkin Land ( http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com ), is a freelance writer and newspaper photographer.

jenmcmillin 5 pts

I agree - these people missed an opportunity to show young women and girls that conflict and discussion can be constructive. Now, it seems like women think that the only way they can approach a situation (such as bullying) is to be aggressive and hateful about it or not approach it at all.

If only we could learn that not everyone will hate women for being assertive and speaking up.
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texasebeth 20 pts

many parents today do not react well to being told their child is a bully. Or is in any way not perfect and will attack the parent, adult, or anyone who even suggests such a thing.

Charlie is definitely bossy when playing at home with us but when with other kids is a follower. He has been teased in Pre-K so we have used those circumstances as teaching moments for prep for Kindergarten this fall.

All I can hope & pray for is that what we have taught at home & what Charlie has learned from being on the receiving end will translate into reality in school.

I hope that if Charlie does bully children that I get told about it. The key is Dignity & Respect for all parties involved.

Elizabeth

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Melissa Ford 14 pts

Thank you for continuing the story--for giving this extra piece. I do agree, there needs to be more communication between parents too.

Melissa writes Stirrup Queens ( http://stirrup-queens.com ) and Lost and Found ( http://lostandfoundandconnectionsabound.blogspot.c... ). Her book is Navigating the Land of If ( http://thelandofif.blogspot.com/ ).

Lisen Stromberg 6 pts

when my daughter was in fifth grade. The principal told me as we were, ironically, developing a plan to deal with bullying in the school. I did approach one of the parents with whom I had become quite friendly. She said she didn't know how to talk to another parent about their child's unsavory behavior, that she was uncomfortable and didn't want to make waves. We talked at length about the importance of modeling advocacy for our children and the missed opportunity we both had. It is awkward and embarrassing to be the parent of a bully. You wonder, is it something you did? We hear story after story of the bully as victim but we forget that sometimes bullying behavior is just a phase, that children change and grow and we have to give them room to make mistakes and to learn from them. Now, these were children in elementary school. I believe behavior in high school has different motivations and requires different consequences. But I also believe the parent of the bully needs to be part of the solution not just accused of being part of the problem.

Gloria Steinem once said, "The first problem for all of us, women and men, is not to learn but to unlearn." I am working on unlearning each and every day. How about you?
Lisen
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CrazedMama 6 pts

I'm trying to teach my children not to be bullies; teaching them not to make fun of others and to be kind to everyone, and also let them know that it hurts people's feelings to be bullied. We recently had a problem with our neighbors. My kids play with their son, who is a very nice boy, however, his sisters are very mouthy and rude. One day his sisters were at our fence yelling at my kids, so my husband asked them to leave. He asked them 2 or 3 times to leave and they wouldn't. He threatened to call the cops if they didn't leave (even though he would not have really done that), and they went running home. Next thing we know, their mom is over here, screaming and yelling at us, calling my husband and I all sorts of names in front of her kids and our children. Since that has happened, whenever we are outdoors and her daughters are outdoors, her daughters continue to yell derogatory things at my husband and I (they are 8 and 5!). There is no use talking to their parents about it since they have learned it from their mother!! Now the little boy is not allowed to play with our kids because his mom doesn't like that we don't want her mouthy daughters around.

Some parents will get very offended when confronted about their children. Maybe those women were afraid that you would be offended if they told you about your daughter's behavior? Just a thought. Some people just don't want to cause trouble and are afraid to have a confrontation.

Melissa Ford 14 pts

It's excellent advice and something I'm taking to heart as my daughter starts school. Though if the behaviour is happening during school hours, I do think the school administration and teachers should be involved--and leading the communication sometimes.

Just a question to fill in a gap in the story--when did you learn of your daughter's bullying behaviour? After the parents spoke to the principal? How long did she wait to pass along this information to you since you mention that the principal kept it from you? And did you approach those parents even though the moment had passed to discuss the past behaviour and let them know what you're doing to set it right? What responsibilities should the parents of bullies take in communicating with other parents?

Melissa writes Stirrup Queens ( http://stirrup-queens.com ) and Lost and Found ( http://lostandfoundandconnectionsabound.blogspot.c... ). Her book is Navigating the Land of If ( http://thelandofif.blogspot.com/ ).

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SamanthaAngela
SamanthaAngela

CaitlinHTP Thanks for sharing. I was literally just thinking, what would I do if I were the mother of a bully? How would I deal with it?

CaitlinHTP
CaitlinHTP

Yeah, it was very well written RT SamanthaAngela I was literally just thinking, what would I do if I were the mother of a bully?

SamanthaAngela
SamanthaAngela

CaitlinHTP By avoiding the bullys mother the victims mothers avoided teaching their girls a lesson: stand up for yourself u deserve respect