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The New Definition of Marriage: It's All About Me, Me Me -- or Is It?

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Marriage is in the news again. This time, the focus is on commitment -- or, more specifically, how to stay married once you are married. The newest idea is “self-expansion," the concept that your level of commitment to your marriage may depend on how much your partner “enhances your life and broadens your horizons.” No longer is marriage about shared goals. Now it’s all about you, you, you, or rather, what you do for me, me, me.

Father and his son washing dishes in the kitchen sink

Perhaps it is a reflection of our narcissistic society. You know, the one that makes us all eager to tell our stories in blogs, on Facebook and via Twitter. (Oh and yes, feel free to consider me guilty, guilty, guilty.) When most of our days are spent telling the world the most incidental of our thoughts and activities, when the very idea of self-expansion depends on a rapt audience, it is no surprise that we expect our marriages to enhance us. But if I am waiting for my partner to constantly expand me, what happens on those days when he doesn’t? What happens when we barely see each other, because we are busy driving our kids to one activity and the next or when we work late or when we are too tired to even grunt an “I love you,” before we tumble into bed? If modern marriage relies on individual self-actualization, we are in for a rude awakening.

I wonder, do marriages really fail because they need constant stimulation? Sounds like a video game definition of commitment to me. When I was a younger -- much younger -- I spent my days watching TV, and in many ways, what I saw formed my idea of marriage. These were the days of The Brady Bunch and The Waltons. TV marriages weren’t about self-actualization. They were about cooperative management. Mike and Carol Brady, like John and Olivia Walton, weren’t worrying about their individual fulfillment. They didn’t have time. They were busy raising their children and running a household, which included deeply exciting activities like doing the laundry, making lunches and caring for sick kids. Oh yeah, and earning a living so they could clothe, feed and house said kids. The most important part? These couples did all of this together. (Yeah, I know deep inside a gendered environment but still...)

In truth, I don’t buy the latest marital theories, because they don’t take into account a very real trend: the deeply engaged father. Modern men want to be more involved in the raising of their children and are already involved more than ever in housework. This new manhood has resonating implications for marriage and gender roles. A recent article in the New York Times reported that “Men are facing the same clash of social ideals that women have faced since the 1970s — how do you be a good parent and a good worker?” Another article about trends in fatherhood indicated that “many men no longer want to be identified just by their jobs.” If men want to be more than simply providers, then their engagement will undoubtedly lead to more marriages based on cooperative management.

Or perhaps, this sea change in male behavior really will lead to marriages that broaden our individual horizons. Columnist Will Wright recently wrote, “I was a manly man. Then I got married. Little did I know that my wedding day would be my last day as a man. From this point on I was something else -- not quite a man, definitely not a woman, but something in between -- a husband....Am I less of a man than I was? Yes. But I'm more of a person. And that makes me a better man.”

Some marriages don’t include children. These marriages truly can use the concept of self-expansion as a foundation for commitment. Other marriages, if they can stick together long enough to launch the kids, have the freedom to do so as well. Sure I’m jealous. I’d love my husband to help expand my horizons but until he has the time to do so, I am thrilled that he and I agree on our shared goals of being the best parents we can be, together. Henry Fonda playing Frank Beardsley in the 1968 version of Yours, Mine, and Ours couldn’t have

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Lisa Hayes 5 pts

I really enjoyed your perspective on this issue. I honestly think healthy marriages are more "me" centered then we used to think. When two partners are taking care of getting their own needs and wants met, they can come to the table as whole people with more to contribute.

This is an article I wrote about marriage myths, http://escapefromrelationshiphell.com/top-four-rel... ( http://escapefromrelationshiphell.com/top-four-rel... ).
I think a lot of this will apply.

Thank you so much for sharing.

With love~

Lisa Hayes

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Clamo88 5 pts

I don't think spending time together or doing for each other really nails it. Children and job obligations get in the way of together time, often for years on end. And "doing for each other" means you both come to the table in a pretty selfless mode which, frankly, is rare. Neither seem realistic, though maybe one or the other has worked for certain couples.

Marry someone who "gets you." No matter what happens or changes, a person who gets you from the start, always gets you.

There's a way to test the theory though I doubt many will dare. Search an old love, someone who "got you," from long ago on one of the many networking sites, and see, despite time gone by and many changes in your lives, how quickly you feel understood. Use caution, though. Sometimes it's hard to say good-bye.

Elizabeth Gordon Barrett

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LMAshton 5 pts

What's called a prenup in the west is considered a fairly standard part of the wedding here. It's all about what assets both parties bring in to the marriage, who owns what, and so on. And it's been a part of the local culture for, well, a very very very long time.

Personally, I think they can be incredibly useful in clearing up any expectations or misunderstandings on either side and can make it easier to deal with the estate in the event that a divorce or death occurs.

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QueenBlah 5 pts

Well, people are getting prenups left and right these days which is nothing more than a divorce preparation paper. It is as if they are already not planning on staying married even before they get married.

Too many people get married for the wrong reason or either they do not have a plan to stay together no matter what comes their way as a couple.

LMAshton 5 pts

Having fun together? Yep, we do a lot of that. The husband has a great sense of humour and can pretty much always make me laugh no matter how bad a mood I'm in. And we're both massively into scifi and fantasy, so we read the same books, watch TV/movies together, we even write fiction together.

But more important than that, I believe, is that we both do everything we can to take care of the other person. It's not something we discussed at any point, but it happened pretty much from the beginning. And guess what? We're both taken care of.

And gratitude. Expressing gratitude daily for the other person. That makes another huge amount of difference for me, personally, in my attitude and how I treat him. Without gratitude, I'd be a lot snarkier and meaner and nastier. With gratitude, it becomes a lot easier to let relatively unimportant stuff go.

And not keeping score. Neither of us keeps score at all. Period.

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TW 6 pts

Now that I have finished mentioning that...I need to say something about the whole Denise being responsible for my "expansion", it sounds a whole lot like making her responsible for my orgasm and my happiness. Nope. That is my job.

That's not to say that we don't push each other a bit, we don't teach other new things, we don't nudge, share goals and have goals we help each other achieve...or subversively achieve our goals for ourselves or each other. Goodness knows, we can be competitive as any two teams in the playoffs, yet still sleep in the same bed at night.

Cooperative Management? If that means that cooperative means I gave up trying to load the dishwasher about seven years ago and have made the bed daily for so long that if I don't, it is considered an achievement when Denise does-then yes. Cooperative management meant figuring out in the early years just what things we wouldn't budge one--two women with their own households blending into one had some interesting dilemmas. Yes, that is why we have a sign in the bathroom saying the toilet paper goes over not under because I have put my foot down.

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TW 6 pts

Fascinating.

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AprilTara 5 pts

I'm not married yet but I have been and so has the man I plan on marrying next. And to some extent, differing or changing goals contributed to the demise of our previous marriages. In mine, my then-husband went from supporting my plans to go to college and have a career to wanting me to stay at home and have babies and run a daycare in our home like his mother did. In my boyfriend's first marriage, he wanted a family life and his now-ex-wife wanted to keep partying and have the freedoms of a childless life.

So in our relationship, we don't necessarily have the exact same goals but our personal goals are compatible (neither of us wants to do something like move to Europe), and we support each other and we discuss our plans frequently with the knowledge that they may change so there will probably be some compromise involved.

As far as the domestic stuff, he's almost as involved as I am with raising my daughter from a previous relationship. He's not working right now due to a work-related accident and I work at home, so he has no problem doing the household stuff.

I don't think marriage is a one-size-fits-all thing. Roles are changing, societal norms are being questioned so it's up to each couple to determine what works for them and what doesn't.

Almost forgot to add...as far as the 50/50 thing goes, we've had that discussion too. My philosophy on it is that there's no such thing as 50/50 when it comes to relationships. It's about each person putting in 100%.

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Jane Byers Goodwin 5 pts

One husband x 33 years = commitment.

Sometimes the commitment is to ourselves; sometimes to each other; sometimes to the kids; sometimes to the money pit, sometimes to the wolf that's constantly trying to break down the door, and sometimes to the looney bin. All of these are correct.

Marriage is not 50/50. Nothing is. Marriage, like everything else, is more like 25/75. Sometimes I give the 75; sometimes he does. Keeping score is for children.

Mawwiage. Mawwiage is what bwings us togeveh today. Mawwiage, that bwessed awwangement, that dweam wifin a dweam. . . And wove, twue wove, wiww fowwow you fowevah and evah… So tweasuwe youw wove. . . .

Yeah, if even just one of you doesn't know the source of that quotation, you're in trouble.

People who love a good laugh have better marriages, in my opinion. The talent of overlooking stupid stuff is underrated.

Married people with kids have little enough time as it is. Life is too short to waste any of that time waiting for the world to fulfill YOU. Get up and fulfill yourself; don't wait for others to do it for you. That ain't gonna happen, nor should it.

However, if you are married to someone who expects to be waited on, those requests are always good for a mutual laugh. If the laugh isn't mutual, throw the big overgrown baby out.

"Don't be content with being average. Average is as close to the bottom as it is to the top."

lauracarroll 5 pts

Author of Families of Two here...I've interviewed lots of childfree couples and while some would say that an important part of their marriage has to do with self-expansion, or as a forum for personal growth (there's no escaping one's issues in intimate relationships--kids or no kids for that matter), many others characterize it differently. One theme is about connection, and a deep commitment to that connection. Another is having a life partner, one in which creates the potential for two to create more than just the one person, and by create it can mean a myriad of things. And another is about devotion to the other--saying yes to the experience of how deep love can go. Or said another way--Marriage is about experiencing the kaleidescope of love.

Laura
Families of Two
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helenjane 5 pts

Each of us feels that we got the better end of the deal. I feel that he's out of my league and vice versa. It seems that once people think they're "too good" for their partner, all kinds of communication falls apart.

Another helpful tip we got at our wedding was, "It's always 60/40." Meaning, someone will always come out with a little more. That balance will see saw, but 60/40 helps us keep it in perspective.

gwenm4 5 pts

I've been married to the same man for nearly 20 years. In that time both of us has changed. We became parents to four children, changed career paths (me....several times), traveled the world, bought homes...the "normal" life stuff. So, point is, we are not the same two people who said "I do" all those years ago.

The secret: Spending time together. Understanding that WE came first -- then kids. Too many couples, with children, go through the years JUST being a good mom or a good dad. For a marriage to go the distance, you have to be a couple first, then a parent. And, maybe this is the most important part of marriage: Laugh. A lot.

caramama 5 pts

I agree with pretty much everything you wrote. But I've got a twist to the "me me me" aspect of the self-expansion.

In my marriage, something that my husband and I both do is wonder what can we do for the OTHER person. So instead of looking at it like, "what is my husband going to do for me?" I look at it as, "what can I do for my husband?"

This is one of the reasons we have such a strong relationship. I want to support and help HIM, while he wants to support and help ME. He realizes I need an outlet outside of kids and work, so he insists I join that bookclub I'd been talking about or that I have time to do yoga. Don't worry about the kids or the house or anything else--he'll take care of them. Just as I've been insisting he sign up for a gym and classes at the gym, which he would never do if I hadn't been the one to insist that he should get the time for himself.

In our relationship, our priorities are the kids first, then the other person. Ourselves come much lower. But this only works if both partners put the other person high on that list and themselves lower. If that makes sense.

MyMommysPlace 5 pts

I have had one failed marriage and, now, what I'd call a successful marriage. There are many things that can make or break a marriage, but here's a core difference between my two: the first time around, I invested so much of my happiness and worth in my husband; this time, I know I define my own worth and can find my own happiness. The first time, I felt like I needed my husband so much. This time, I feel like I choose my husband, every day. Could I live without him? Sure. I just don't want to. That's the difference for me.

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JennaHatfield 10 pts

Then, yeah, we're on the same page. :)

Jenna Hatfield (@FireMom ( http://twitter.com/FireMom )), from Stop, Drop and Blog ( http://stopdropandblog.com ) and The Chronicles of Munchkin Land ( http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com ), is a freelance writer and newspaper photographer.

Lisen Stromberg 5 pts

To be fair, I wasn't clear. I assume that marriage means "our kids, our future, and our own interests." What I don't assume is that in order to be committed, my husband has to be THE source of my own "self-expansion." I love it when he brings new ideas and experiences to our marriage but I don't rely on him to help me grow and expand. I feel that is my own job as a human. I would never advocate that couples what until the kids are grown to experience new things together. For us, raising kids offers opportunities to grow and change as does the various things we do together without kids and we do on our own.

A little more clear, I hope. I love how you put it: "I don't expect him to fulfill me, I just know that his sharing of stuff with me DOES fulfill me. I couldn't have said it better.

Gloria Steinem once said, "The first problem for all of us, women and men, is not to learn but to unlearn." I am working on unlearning each and every day. How about you?
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JennaHatfield 10 pts

I get what you're saying. I do. But totally tossing out the idea that you can be a participant in fulfilling your spouse seems kind of sad, too.

I have learned to do things I never would have done or tried without my spouse. He taught me how to bait my own hook, surf fish, drive a stick (kind of...), hold a gun, alllllll about fire trucks and so much more. I've exposed him to a lot of theater, which he hadn't experienced previously, foreign films, photography, various forms of camping and the wonders of all things blog. We both explore our own interests on our own time, try new things together and regularly schedule date nights. I don't think that waiting until the children are grown and gone would work for us regarding pursuing things we like to do, separately or together. We are more than just parents. We are individuals and spouses. Our shared goals include our kids, our future and our own interests. I'm not sure why you consider some of these things mutually exclusive.

But, no, I don't expect him to fulfill me. I just know that his sharing of stuff with me DOES fulfill me. Maybe that's the difference?

Jenna Hatfield (@FireMom ( http://twitter.com/FireMom )), from Stop, Drop and Blog ( http://stopdropandblog.com ) and The Chronicles of Munchkin Land ( http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com ), is a freelance writer and newspaper photographer.

texasebeth 6 pts

I remember my mom saying you go into your marriage ready to take your hat off and stay awhile. What she meant is with the mindset that you are in the relationship to stay, divorce is not an option.

Some people seem to go into a marriage saying "well if it doesn't work out, we can always get a divorce". Not necessarily verbally but mentally or emotionally they leave their hat on, ready to leave at the first sign of trouble (whatever that may be). It goes back to what you said about narcissicm. I love that quote by Henry Fonda from one of my favorite movies!

My mom believed there are very few valid reasons for divorce and raised me that way as well. Sometimes divorce is the only alternative and that is ok too.

Elizabeth

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Lisen Stromberg 5 pts

I remember when we were first married and had negotiated our version of a socialist division of labor and then it changed and we renegotiated and it changed again and we renegotiated and so on. As Gina says - marriage can't be on auto-pilot. Frankly, sometimes I am just happy when at least one of us is flying the damn plane!

Gloria Steinem once said, "The first problem for all of us, women and men, is not to learn but to unlearn." I am working on unlearning each and every day. How about you?
Lisen
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godsygirl 5 pts

"Modern men want to be more involved in the raising of their children and are already involved more than ever in housework."

Yeah, right.

I'm married to the last of the "cavemen". He does no work around the house and the emotional care of our child is my responsibility.

I reconcile it because he pays all the bills with his salary while I am able to build my consulting business.

But it still ticks me off. I think "modern", as it relates to males is a frame of mind. Nothing to do with age, socialization, etc.

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Gina Carroll 5 pts

Well said, Lisen! I am still, after 27 years of marriage, unlearning too. The funny thing is I feel that I am still learning how to not focus so much on myself!

Marriage needs to be different things at different stages and in different contexts. What you must do and how you must function during the child-rearing years can be wholly different than how you are at the beginning or when the kids are older and gone-- even different when the kids are tiny versus say when they are teens!

Even in childless homes, seems to me, your marriage has different needs when you are career-building versus when you are established.

All of the stages are challenging and require commitment and an ability to shift and change with the times...And to, at every juncture, be able to look at each other and still feel "at home." (I love that from Trula!) I just don't think there can be an auto-pilot in a good marriage.

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Melissa Ford 5 pts

I think having someone who is an equal partner in the socialist sense works. In other words, X, Y, and Z need to get done in the house, and while we each have our tasks, we also pitch in and both of us make sure that X, Y, and Z get done. It's who has the time vs. whose responsibility. And therefore, there are fewer resentments. We also usually complete the housework around the same time which leaves us more time for...other things.

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