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I've gone back and forth on whether or not to write about Proposition 8. Not because I don't think that Proposition 8 isn't a topic of great importance, it absolutely is. In fact, I think the outcome of Proposition 8 will either set back, or catapult forward, gay rights in this country. The effects of its success or failure will not be limited to the bounds of the California state lines. It will set the tone for the rest of the country. If Prop 8 fails, it invigorates and infuses new hope into the gay rights movement. If it succeeds, it emboldens those who seek to make their morality law, to oppose equal rights for all people.

It is not that I do not have a strong opinion about Proposition 8 that I did not want to write about it. I couldn't be more strongly opposed to the proposed amendment to the California State Constitution. An amendment that would take away the right of marriage already granted to all citizen of California and exercised by more than 11,000 gay couples in California. And don't tell me that if Prop 8 passes, those 11,000 gay couples who married will still have the same civil rights they had before, because they already had all the same civil rights as married couples before. Because if that were actually the case, there wouldn't be a push to make a distinction between marriage and domestic partnership. If it's called marriage, not civil union or domestic partnership for one group, then it should be marriage for all. Otherwise it is implied that one is superior to the other.

In the absence of legal recognition, Elizabeth and I defined our relationship for years on our own terms. Then when California introduced a domestic-partnership registry in 1999, we went downtown and signed up for the handful of benefits it offered at the time. Over the years California legislators fought to expand our rights under that registry such that, by 2007, domestic partnership was practically identical to marriage-except in name. And that difference in name was a constant reminder that in the eyes of the state, our relationship fell under a category of recognition that held us separate from our relatives and so many of our friends.

Now that artificial separation is erased, and this joy I feel being married represents something far more profound than a shift in nomenclature: It's the realization of true equality, and it's been a long time coming!
-read full post prop. 8 family values, by TKM who blogs at Neurotranscendence

While I feel that Betty Please and I are married, and I have no doubt that we're in it 'til death do we part, in our state we have no rights. I can only imagine what it must feel like to actually finally have that recognition of marriage. Not civil union or domestic partner. Marriage.

We consider our wedding date to be that day: October 20, 2001. But the state of California thinks our wedding date is July 11, 2008, because that was the day that we promised we would love each other forever after the California Supreme Court declared marriage a legal option for ALL consenting, adult Californians on May 15, 2008. And to be honest, I didn't think that second wedding date was going to be a big deal. We considered ourselves married already; this was just a formality. But when I heard the words, "By the power vested in me by the State of California...," I knew there was a difference. There was a difference between a legal recognition of domestic partnership and a legal recognition of a marriage. In fact, there are over 1000 civil rights afforded by "marriage" that are not afforded by "domestic partnership." The Supreme Court of California noted that this was a case of separate but (un)equal, and I agree. It felt different.
-read Beth's full post Our plea. at House Made

Intellectually, I have always understood that a Civil Union would give us the same (state, that is) legal rights as marriage. But what I didn't realize - that in my heart ... I never gave it as much weight.
No really... I had no idea that I truly felt this way. That it wasn't just rhetoric.

Civil Union, after all, is a legal, binding commitment - and yet some how... for me... it was not gelling. I wasn't giving

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no_I_am_zoe 5 pts

I'm thinking more along the lines of pink triangles instead of rainbows.

Crunchy Carpets 5 pts

You get the sense of 'those dangerous gays'

Will all homosexual people have to ware a rainbow patch on their jackets??

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no_I_am_zoe 5 pts

Thank you for lighening up the topic and making me laugh.  More importantly, thanks for writing about Vote No on Prop8.

no_I_am_zoe 5 pts

It must be tough to be surrounded like that.  It's not easy to be in your shoes.  But you know, it's probably best you don't argue with them anyway.  The most likely outcome is that you end up getting angy at ona another.  It's all about knowing what battles are worth fighting. 

no_I_am_zoe 5 pts

Yeah, I don't really understand why it's so horrible to teach kids that families are made up of all sorts of configurartions.  I think it's a bit like sticking your head in the sand, if you can't see it, it must not exist.  Isn't it better to teach kids about the real world, not the world as they wish it was?  Being that I'm not yet a parent, I guess I can't answer that just yet. 

I don't like to blog politics either.  I guess my thinking is that writing on my blog is preaching to the choir.  Writing here has the potential to reach more than the choir, but its's hard to know if I do since the comments are usually all in agreement with the post.

Oh, and thanks.   

no_I_am_zoe 5 pts

You make a good point about making these issues real with personal stories.

no_I_am_zoe 5 pts

I guess I'm just feeling a bit like a broken record on the marriage issue, and I think I have a hard time writing these posts in such a way that they read like a point by point arguement rather than a rant. I do hope that I'm reaching more than just the choir with my posts here.

I couldn't agree more that we all should put our foot down against discrimintion whether it affects us or not.   If only everyone thought this way, the world would be a much different place.  

Thanks for your post on No to Prop 8, it gave me hope for a win.

crousehaus 5 pts

Great post.

I've written a few blog posts about Prop 8 ( http://crousehaus.blogspot.com/2008/10/more-on-pro... ).  Currently, we are the only house in our cul-de-sac without a Yes on prop 8 sign.  I will vote No, as will my husband, but I feel I haven't done enough.  When I pass a rally of No on prop 8 folks, I honk.  When I see Yes folks, I give a thumbs down.  I've told my next door neighbor that I will be voting No and tried to give my reasons, but I held back.  When another neighbor came to my door to give me some "literature" on prop 8, I took it but didn't tell her what I really thought she should do with the Yes on Prop 8 pamphlet.

I see mothers at school (a public school) wearing "yes on 8" buttons.  What is wrong with these people?  These people grew up in the same generation as I did.  How can they think that this is right?  

But I admit it, I'm a chicken.  I argue with my family members (mostly pro 8) and don't hold back, but when it comes to speaking up to my neighbors, I don't.  My friends and husband are in the No camp, so we talk a lot about it, but we're already on the same side.

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Vered 5 pts

Teaches a unit on families in kindergarten where they discuss the fact that there are many different types of families, including single-parent families, families where the grandparents are raising the kids, and families with same-sex parents. 

As far as I know, no one in the school community has ever objected to this unit. The "OMG they'll teach it in schools" campaign is utterly ridiculous. Maybe they ARE worried that it's contagious? That if kids know gay marriage exists, they'll become gay?? I can't come up with any other explanation. 

I won't blog about Prop 8 because I keep MomGrind free of politics. It's actually my own escape from politics these days. If you blog it on your personal blog, it might not have great value b/c your readers - gay or straight - are a pretty homogenous group I think, but blogging it here does have value and I'm glad you did it.

By the way, If you can write this well when you have writer's block, then you are a great writer. 

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Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

and I think how it personally affects lives really helps hetero's 'get it'- So thanks for writing and linking to those posts that show us the people.

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LookyDaddy 5 pts

Thanks for both the post and the link!

Melissa Ford 5 pts

As a straight woman reading BlogHer, I'm thankful that you decided to write about it.  You're not just hitting the choir with your posts--you're hitting a whole world of women.  And this one (er...me) is nodding my head in agreement with everything you wrote.  I'm trying to raise my kids to treat everyone well--to have respect for others and marvel at our differences rather than fear or have disdain for them.  It's hard to do that when idiots are trying to remove rights from others.  And regardless of whether you are personally affected by the issue at hand, all people should put their foot down against discrimination.

Great post.

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