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Evil mommies are forcing you to buy things!

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Although I could easily recount a hundred fabulous things about this year's BlogHer conference, I have largely avoided discussing what I felt to be a pervasive undercurrent amongst some of the non-parent attendees. Although (for me) that was but a tiny piece of my overall experience, it was there. And it was this: Who cares about stupid mommyblogging? Why is mommyblogging the hot thing right now? Now there's entire companies advertising on mommyblogs? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

I have my own opinions about the answers to those questions (plenty of people; perhaps because the majority of adult humans either are or have parents, and there are a lot of really interesting people out there blogging about it; yes there is, and it's called marketing where the iron is hot), but I'm just delighted to see that the argument about blogging and advertising has landed squarely on the mommyblogger segment. Because heaven knows it's bad enough that we're out there blogging about our kids as if they're somehow interesting, but now we're making money off of it? Well, there you have it. Proof of all that's wrong with the world, right there.

Okay, maybe no one said it quite that way. (Actually, some people did, but I'll try to stick to those who make more direct points for the purposes of this discussion.)

And there's no disputing the fact that some people believe deep down in the cockles of their idealistic little hearts that blogging is blogging and business is business and never the twain shall meet. Bloggers, this faction avers, should never ever blog for money, lest they sully their authenticity. (I have often wondered if those people believe that novelists who publish have similarly compromised themselves, but that's another topic for another day.) What is interesting to me, now, is that the focus on mommyblogging has brought out the naysayers who seem to want those involved to feel an extra measure of guilt. After all, we're moms. Just like with raising our children, we should apparently be blogging purely out of love and selflessness.

Liz of Mom-101 is taking the critics to task with her usual mix of savvy and humor:

Interestingly, there's one consistent phrase that I've seen in both kinds of discussions, either by the author or the commenter. And that's the idea that those who disdain blog ads, do so in part because they make me buy products I don't need.

I had no idea we were so powerful. Neither did Liz.

Now personally, I would loooove to know which blog ad--the majority of which are poorly designed, and show a complete lack of understanding of the blog audience in both content and style--has that ability. Because if I knew it, I would be rich. Rich beyond my wildest dreams. So rich that I could buy you each ponies, and then ponies for the ponies, because hell, even ponies must dream of having their own ponies. And then we'd ride off together on our ponies (these are very sturdy ponies), with our ponies' ponies in tow, headed right for Canyon Ranch, where the Bali Spice Body Mask and Hot Stone Massages are on me.

One of the posts that prompted Liz's discussion was this piece by Jen of MUBAR about how blogging as a whole is changing, and not for the better:

The idea of being paid to blog certainly is a seductive one and one I've considered strongly. And I certainly do not think badly of any blogger who receives remuneration for her work (in fact, I think that as more and more people get paid to blog, it will become more democratic and less a hobby of the middle and upper middle classes). But one of the great things about the blogosphere in its infancy is that is was free from advertising and corporate meddling. It offered us something that other media channels didn't. Those days, I fear, are all but gone. (And yes, I've read all of the verbiage about advertisers not having an impact on content. But their patronage does complicate the blog conversation just a little, because it's a little like trying to have a serious conversation with a good friend with a guy from P&G sitting in the corner, taking notes.)

Content used to read as raw and fresh, no one was trying to sell you something or increase their site traffic. There was collaboration among bloggers, not competition, because, well, there was nothing to compete over. But now,

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Diana 5 pts

I just love Elizabeth Perry's comments on the golden age always coming to a close. How very true. I couldn't agree more!

Melissa Summers 5 pts

Ann Douglas's points about 'Buzz Marketing' is a direction of blogs and marketing I'm vaguely irritated by.

It's a place where the lines get a little blurry and I'm not sure I'm comfortable with it.

landismom 5 pts

I really don't know why people have strong opinions about other people's decisions about their blogs. I personally don't have ads, but that's mostly because I use the free version of wordpress, and it's not easy to have ads. I did decide pretty early on that I wasn't going to blog about products (except for books), but that was driven more by my interest in what I wanted my blog to be about than any desire to avoid commercialism.

Tracey Clark 5 pts

Such a compelling post. Great take on all of it. I've got some stuff say and this post got me to say it over at my own bloggy blog. Thanks for the nudge.

Tracey Clark
Mother May I ( http://maypapers.blogspot.com )
Picture This ( http://picturethis.clubmom.com )

HerBadMother 5 pts

I think that I love you. I mean, I already did, but now, more. I was called 'careerist' a few times in the hub-bub last week - because I also have a 'paid' blogging gig and because I'm trying to start a community blog - and some of the commentary in those posts was directed directly at me. Which stung, because, um, *mean*, but also because I just didn't get it. Sistahs are doing it for themselves - we should be promoting each others' efforts, not calling each other down.

About 'hiding' ads in posts... I just haven't seen this yet. Or maybe I missed it, because I'm clueless.

lawmummy 5 pts

That's exactly what it is - this notion that bloggers are being paid to promote products. This isn't the same as ads, IMO. Ads are ads. They look like ads, you know that someone is getting paid to promote. However, this "hiding" ads in a blog as text or a story is the same thing to me as those "articles" in magazines that say in tiny print at the top "Paid Advertisement" in effort to make you think it's real content when it's not. At least those magazines tend to have enough integrity to point out (albeit discreetly) that it's advertising.

I am a mommyblogger (you can read my post about mommyblogging and the backlash at http://lawmummy.typepad.com/mommy_grows_up/2006/09... ). I also blog about other things - tax and law - on other blogs. I have text ads on my mommy blog because it's my fun blog and if I make a few bucks, it can offset the cost (I use Typepad and I pay for it). I don't have ads on my other blogs, mostly because they are associated with my law firm and I don't want to give the impression that my firm is promoting any particular product over another.

All of that said, I recently withdrew from a "BlogJolt" group because of this product placement issue. Many of the bloggers (some of which did happen to be mommybloggers, though certainly not all) seemed extremely happy to whore their blogs out for any product. In fact, when the question of product placement arose, only one or two bloggers even asked what kinds of products they would be asked to promote/mention or raised concerns about the manner in which it would happen. Rather, the overwhelming consensus seemed to be "let's make some money."

Now, don't get me wrong. Money is nice. I need it to keep the power on, to keep my kids fed and to pay for DSL so that I can check in with BlogHer. But money shouldn't drive everything we do without any boundaries. And, if you really want to treat your blog like a business, then use some business sense. There's a lot to choose from in the blogosphee. If readers think you're phony and cheap, they can easily click away to somewhere else.

anndouglas 5 pts

The line that Mir quoted from my blog The Mother of All Blogs (see original post above) might leave some people with the impression that I am opposed to all advertising on blogs. That's actually not the case at all. In fact, I'm very much in favor of writers making money from their words.

What I do have a problem with is the practice of "buzz marketing" -- specifically buzz marketers encouraging bloggers to talk up products to other bloggers without disclosing the fact that they are being paid (through redeemable points or some other form of compensation) for making those product pitches.

You've no doubt heard about Tremor ( http://www.tremor.com ) and Bzz Agent ( http://www.bzzagent.com ). What you may or may not have heard that Procter and Gamble recently launched a buzz marketing program specifically for moms -- Vocalpoint ( http://www.vocalpoint.com ) -- an offshoot to its highly successful Tremor ( http://www.tremor.com ) buzz marketing program. And there are other smaller companies cashing in on mom buzz.

I'm going to be talking a lot about these issues in my presentation at the Motherlode Conference ( http://www.yorku.ca/crm/Conferences/Motherlode%20a... ) in October. I'll be posting a summary of my portion of the panel "Mama's Got a Brand New Blog: The Rise of the Weblog and its Impact on Mothering" for anyone who wants to hear more on this issue.

Thanks for allowing me to correct any misconceptions on where I stand on the issue of advertising in general on blogs (to each her own) vs. the type of buzz marketing that adds noise to blogs and gets in the way of the real conversations between moms.

Ann Douglas
The Mother of All Blogs ( http://www.motherofallblogs.com )

P.S.

See this article for a discussion of how teens are buying into buzz marketing ( http://www.commercialfreechildhood.org/articles/4t... ) and note this comment in the footnotes: "Rob Walker, in his December 5, 2004, New York Times article titled “The Hidden (in Plain Sight) Persuaders” states that “…while BzzAgent tells its volunteers that they are under no obligation to hide their association with the company and its campaigns, the reality is most of them do hide it most of the time.”)
If you want to check out the original thread in my blog which Mir cited (it talked about the differences between parenting blogs and mainstream parenting media, with a lot of parents talking about why they read blogs more than parenting magazines), you can find it here ( http://anndouglas.blogspot.com/2006/09/magazines-a... ).

fritz 5 pts

First of all I have to say that a) I find ads distracting and b) I love to read blogs in a feed reader, but:

- as Marti said, nobody forces you to read a particular blog,
nobody forces you to buy anything, or even look at the ads
- blogging is work, it's costing time and energy

I'd love to make money off something I love doing, but unfortunately five readers a day might not be enough.

This discussion makes me think that maybe some people would like to be paid for blogging too, or that the myth of the starving artist is still alive.

You know, the poorer you are, the purer your art. And if it appeals to a lot of people it must be trash.

Diapers and Music ( http://susannefritzsche.blogspot.com )

Windeln und Musik ( http://windeln-und-musik.blogspot.com )

(Of course I'm only writing this to force you to read my blog. And then I'll get ads and make tons of money.
BWAHAHAHA!)

Marti 5 pts

I'm poor. I've always been poor. I may always be poor, because I chose to stay home with my kids, and get by on one income - my husband's. I'm happy. My kids are happy. Poor but happy, what a concept LOL

We are celebrating our 25th wedding anniversary on Thursday by spending time with our poor but happy children.

I have to laugh (with a hint of wryness) at women complaining about other women finding a way to make money from home. Is that it? Is it an extension of the work-outside-the-homers versus the stay-at-homers?

No one forces you to read or write a blog. No one "makes" you buy something. Did a mommyblogger show up at your house, ring your doorbell and hold a gun to your head until you hit the "buy" button?

Please.

Marti ( http://enterthelaughter.com/ )

Mom101 5 pts

Terri, such a good point! I have indeed submitted blog posts as evidence that I can spin a yarn for money, if asked to. And yet, I also have pictures of my last drunken binge! (Just search "blogher" on my blog).

I agree, it's interesting that now there are appropriate and non-appropriate reasons for blogging according to some.

Clamo88 5 pts

A blog should be whatever the blogger wants it to be. I was recently considering going back to work outside of the home. My degree was in English/French but I really haven't utilized it, what with not being a part of the "traditional" workforce since having my kids. One of the requirements for the job I was considering applying for asked for an example of your writing. I have all sorts of papers from college, but that was almost 10 years ago.

It occurred to me that blogs can be a way of honing your writing and providing clear examples of your work to others for job interviews or positions in non-profit groups.

Obviously, your blog would have to be appropriate to be used in such a way, and not consist of ranting about nonsensical stuff. And, it probably shouldn't have pictures of your last drunken binge. :-)

Why would someone care if you used your blog for this purpose or any other? Who are these self-appointed "blog police" anyway? And, why do they feel it necessary to dump on everyone else?

Terri
Earthen Vessel Designs ( http://www.earthenvesseldesigns.com )

Sarah 5 pts

I just signed up for the BlogHer Ad Network. I'm a proud mommyblogger and I can't wait to start making money off my blog.

That being said, I have yet to buy something just because I saw an advertisement on somebody's blog about it. Unless you have five or six types of marketing on your page I rarely even notice it.

I say hooray that people want to pay me. I say hooray that enough people read my blog to make it worth while.

If the money and audience go away next week, at least I will have paid a power bill.

BlogHer Contributing Editor, Sports and Fitness ( http://www.blogher.com/topic/sports-fitness )
Sarah and the Goon Squad ( http://sarahandthegoonsquad.com/ )
Draft Day Suit ( http://ronmexicosblog.blogspot.com/ )

Sarah 5 pts

I just signed up for the BlogHer Ad Network. I'm a proud mommyblogger and I can't wait to start making money off my blog.

That being said, I have yet to buy something just because I saw an advertisement on somebody's blog about it. Unless you have five or six types of marketing on your page I rarely even notice it.

I say hooray that people want to pay me. I say hooray that enough people read my blog to make it worth while.

If the money and audience go away next week, at least I will have paid a power bill.

BlogHer Contributing Editor, Sports and Fitness ( http://www.blogher.com/topic/sports-fitness )
Sarah and the Goon Squad ( http://sarahandthegoonsquad.com/ )
Draft Day Suit ( http://ronmexicosblog.blogspot.com/ )

JanetD 5 pts

I agree that good bloggers are more likely to get popular. If they begin to suck, they lose popularity. Sure there are some out there who resort to controversy or other stunts on occasion but I don't think that makes one popular on a consistent basis. I think they have to have good content or be able to connect with readers on some level. If they don't, there just is no incentive for people to come and read.

Furthermore, to imply that mommybloggers, in particular, need to check themselves is absurd. Based on what? Why only them?

I'm a mommyblogger. I have ads. So sue me.

IzzyMom ( http://izzymom.com )

Mom101 5 pts

I thank you (so...thank you!) for continuing the discussion so thoughtfully and for compiling all the different takes in one place.

I suppose the thing that confounds me most is all these accusations that once you have ads on your blog, your content changes. I'd love to see some evidence of that. I mean, I don't think twice about the ads on my blog unless they're ugly. I wish someone would ask the questions first of those who actually do have ads on the blogs. Otherwise it's an odd way to go about formulating theories. (And I don't mean the blogs you referenced specifically; this discussion comes and goes all the time.)

As for the analogy of having a low-level package goods marketer in the room - it's a funny thought and an interesting perspective. But does anyone really temper their discussions because there are or aren't ads on a blog? I'm more worried about what my grandmother thinks when I use the F word.

And then there's the whole accusation about blogging for popularity which...well, I don't get that at all. I'm all about the content, baby. If you blog for money or love or student council votes, I don't care just so long as it's engaging.

jaycee 5 pts

Ads, whether they're on telly or on blogs, are largely ignored by me. I've noticed them pop up on blogs I read and as long as the blog still interests me I'll still keep reading it.

I think some of the backlash is sour grapes? If people can make money from advertising on their blog then why shouldn't they? It takes time to maintain a blog. I'd love to make some money off my blog myself.

jen
semantically driven ( http://jaycee.typepad.com/semantics/ )

SilverSeraphim 5 pts

Because they give people who have nothing better to do something to complain to the blogger about...:p

I've been readin Dooce for awhile, since before her husband quit his job and she decided to put ads on her site. Oh, the howling! And people still complain about it, how they're sooooo distracting. And I say, What? distracting how?

I blog using LiveJournal. Recently I took the option of allowing their ad partners to advertise on my LJ. I don't get paid, but I get access to a few more options. My friends don't seem bothered by it, and I have yet to see an ad that doesn't jibe with my personal issues. Everyone's happy.

Perhaps the complaining about advertising on mommyblogs is simply sour grapes on some bloggers' end. I could care less.

Take the Highway Less Traveled ( http://bloodsugarmagik.livejournal.com )

Elizabeth Perry 5 pts

You know, I think the golden age is always already over - that's what makes it golden. Someone inevitably comes along to say, "You know, blogs were really better when we carved them in stone, Gutenberg really cheapened things and the quality has gone downhill like you wouldn't believe."

:-)

I went to advertising sessions at BlogHer this year, because I was curious. I came away suspecting that I will have more luck in the future making money because of my blog, rather than from my blog directly. (Tip of the hat to whoever was quoting Doc Searls...) I have Amazon associate links on my sketchblog, but haven't bothered with ads - I don't get enough traffic to make it worth the trouble. (And since my blog involves the visual as well as the verbal, there is the question of how ads would affect the look of my site - I am shallow enough to care about that until the price is right!)

Thank you for bringing up the issues, though. Advertising and influence are always difficult to talk about - some people were offended by the presence of corporate underwriters for the conference, for instance. I have to tread lightly there, because like it or not, those underwriting dollars made it possible for me to attend and speak. I guess I don't think our hands (or our blogs) can ever be totally clean. We just need to be able make our choices with our eyes open. I would be much more uneasy with secret underwriting than with public ads, public messages, and public presence.

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