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Jason Kottke set off another firestorm of blogosphere commentary with his Gender diverstiy at web conferences post that cites actual numbers showing the percentage of women at various web conference. The numbers range from 0% women at An Event Apart Seattle 2007 to 100% women at BlogHer Business 07.

This topic keeps coming up. In fact, I first learned about BlogHer because of this topic. I participated in a BlogHer organized panel at SXSW last year on the topic Increasing Women's Visibility on the Web: Whose Butt Should We Be Kicking? This panel included Ayse Enginer, Liz Henry, Tara Hunt, Jan Kabili and me. There was a flurry of conversation on the topic last year and the year before. Each time it comes up, people sigh and complain and say, "Not that again."

The fact is, the issue isn't going away until something changes, and not much has changed.

Dori Smith at Backup Brain points out these facts.

Some of those folks like to whine about how they just can't find women out there who know anything about JavaScript and/or Ajax. Well, that's a field I know a little something about, so here's a quick rundown:

Looking at Amazon's current top 100 JavaScript bestsellers, I see several women, including me, Shelley Powers, Emily Vander Veer, Ellie Quigley, Tina Spain McDuffie, Kate Kalata, Janet Burleson, Kathie Kingsley-Hughes, and Andree Growney.

Looking at Amazon's top 100 newest JavaScript books by publication date, I see me, Shelley Powers, Emily Vander Veer, Janet Burleson, Ellie Quigley, Tina Spain McDuffie, Andree Growney, and Adele Hayward.

That's ten women with current and/or best-selling JavaScript books. How many of them did you ask to speak at your [JavaScript/Ajax] conference?

Eric Meyer wrote in his blog, Eric's Thoughts that

Well, I’m hereby bucking that trend. In my personal view, diversity is not of itself important, and I don’t feel that I have anything to address next time around. What’s important is technical expertise, speaking skills, professional stature, brand appropriateness, and marketability. That’s it.

Since I'm a devotee of Eric Meyer's CSS books and have been know to say in public that if I ever decide to worship a male god again his name will be Eric, I found this rather upsetting. It upset a lot of other people too, including Shelly Powers, who said,

You know, Eric has a point: why should we worry about diversity in conferences? Or within technology, as a matter of fact?

After all, the field is gradually heading to being completely male and a mix of asian and white, and that should be good enough, right? After all: people make choices not to be techs.

Of course, the field is designed by white men, and the value system is based on white male values, and the school curriculum for computer science was created by white males, and the guys are really good about giving each other kudos and recommending each other for jobs — not to mention also defining the tests given to job candidates, determining who gets the grants, the awards, the accolades.
I mean, just because women have to work twice as hard for half the recognition, what makes us think that we're being deprived? After all, it's all a matter of choice.

Anil Dash in a post The Old Boys Club is for Losers said, "the good guys on the wrong side of this debate include, first Eric Meyer." I'll get back to Anil's post, but I want to point out that within less than 24 hours of making his first post, Eric Meyer spoke up again, this time saying,

I’ll not mince words: I screwed up pretty badly yesterday. . . If I have erred and caused harm by that error I apologize. I am as ever human, mistakes and all, flaws aplenty, and while that’s an explanation, it’s not an excuse. It is never, ever an excuse.

To return to Anil Dash's comments, he also points to John Gruber as one of the good guys who is wrong in his attitude. Anil says,

Eric and John are both good guys who mean well, but that two people who are smart, forward-thinking, and open minded are still unaware of the limits and constraints imposed by their own shortsightedness is disappointing.

And John, to fall into the laziest, least persuasive argument of all leads me to believe you're being almost willfully naive. "Women aren't in these disciplines because they aren't interested?" Really? There's a simpler explanation, which falls under the heading of "I know where I'm not welcome."

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LizaWasHere 5 pts

Thanks for the link! That was a very interesting post and comment discussion.

Liza
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Virginia DeBolt 5 pts

You might be interested in Anne 2.0: Working with the Architecture of the Space ( http://annezelenka.com/2007/02/working-with-the-ar... ). She had some reflections on blogging by women today.

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LizaWasHere 5 pts

I agree that there is, and should be, a greater concern for having women in visible, leadership roles in tech conferences and otherwise in the tech community.

I also think that in order to develop pools of future leaders in those roles, we need to make sure that women are engaged members of the community. If we're failing there, I think we'll keep failing further up the food chain. But I haven't seen any statistics either; my evidence is purely anecdotal.

Liza
Founder & Coordinator, LesbianFamily.org ( http://www.lesbianfamily.org/ )
Personal Blog, LizaWasHere ( http://www.lizawashere.com/ )

Virginia DeBolt 5 pts

I don't know the statistic on the number of female vs. male bloggers. One study ( http://www.mediareporttowomen.com/statistics.htm ) found equal numbers of men and women use the internet, but it doesn't break it down into who has a blog. Have you seen any figures on that? It would be interesting to know.

The statistics that seem to alarm people over and over again are the number of female faces behind the microphones at tech conferences.

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Virginia DeBolt 5 pts

Thanks for speaking up on this issue, Steph. For the past several years this recurring issue has stayed mainly on the percentage of women. But some of the commenters this time around were bringing in other points, perhaps in hopes of bolstering their position. Anil Dash wants to make a point about a lack of diversity in the tech industry in general. Ben Henick's post at WaSP dragged the argument into the web standards arena. And Shelly Powers says that the tech industry in general is "broken." Does she mean world wide and for non-Anglo cultures? Based on what you said, it seems to apply.

Each time this comes up it seems to me that it grows bigger and louder. I hope that soon the noise will make a difference.

I made a public pledge on Web Teacher ( http://www.webteacher.ws/2007/02/i-decided-to-quit... ) to do my part in creating the change I wish to see in the world by coming out of my hidey-hole and trying to speak in and write for venues where I don't normally tread.

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sniffles 5 pts

As a woman in tech whose actual ethnic origins stem from a cascade of minorities, I actually don't feel it is really all that fair to be using the term "diversity" for this discussion. There are two issues here: that of not enough women speaking/participating at conferences, and the lack of representation of non-white participants.

First and foremost, the issue at hand should be about women — hello, we make up just about the other half of the world. Why we are not well-represented in tech is certainly wrought with social causes but I'm not content with having this being played down as an issue conveniently lumped under "diversity", and especially not in the same breath with ethnicity. (Btw, have you noticed that all these posts have been in English, as were the conferences in question, and maybe that could be a reason why?)

It is very easy to define "the other" under the one umbrella. If I am brave enough to make a bet, I will be willing to wager that there are not enough women in tech all over the world, and in every non-Anglo culture where tech is certainly rife.

By treating these issues as the same problem, we're not giving either of them enough weight, nor would we be able to really view them individually with clarity and hence address them accordingly in their own right.

-- Stephanie Troeth

LizaWasHere 5 pts

This is such an interesting and frustrating topic. I love the way that I've been able to connect with people through my blog and their blogs, and most of the people with whom I've connected have been women.

Yet, it's clear that this is a significant and real issue, at all layers of the blogosphere.

For example, my company -- for whom I am NOT speaking -- recently launched a voluntary employee blogroll ( http://blogs.earthlink.net/directory.php ), linked from our official ( http://blogs.earthlink.net/ ) corporate blog. Of the 14 "inaugural" blogs, my personal blog is the only one written by a woman.

Today, we had a lunchtime "Blogging Boot Camp ( http://blogs.earthlink.net/2007/02/hello_fellow_bl... )," where roughly 25% of the attendees were women. When the final question of the session was asked, "How many of you are turned off of blogging completely?" only one person raised her hand. Yup. Her hand.

Now, I do not think my company is discouraging women from participating in these kinds of projects. I think they would love to have a more balanced blogroll. And I think if there were something obvious to do to "fix this" they would do it. (Although interestingly, all of the speakers at both boot camp sessions have been men. Maybe I need to do a mini BlogHer internally.)

What are the factors that are failing to draw women into the blogging community as active participants? Are we more concerned about our privacy than men? More worried about the consequences of the long-term searchability of blogs and the Internet? (A quick glance through Facebook and MySpace suggests not.)

I'd love to hear what others think.

Liza
Founder & Coordinator, LesbianFamily.org ( http://www.lesbianfamily.org/ )
Personal Blog, LizaWasHere ( http://www.lizawashere.com/ )

Virginia DeBolt 5 pts

Eric Meyer posted this comment on my Web Teacher blog. I thought I'd add it here in his behalf:

Hi, Virginia. Thanks for your comments and thoughts. I would've posted this over at BlogHer but I don't have an account there, and this probably isn't the best time for me to obtain one.

So I want to say two things. One, I feel like what I originally said was badly misinterpreted by a number of people. You may be among them. I was saying in my original post that I strive to be and essentially am blind to gender, ethnicity, skin tone, sexual orientation, religion, handedness, and a whole slew of other categories-- not just in daily life, but when I pick speakers.

Somehow, that's been taken as me saying that only white men are qualified to be speakers, that the old boy club is just fine. I said almost the exact opposite. Most commenters have understood that, but not everyone. For that, I apologize, because the way I wrote about the topic allowed that misunderstanding to happen. But it bothers me that a number people I respect-- and you are among them-- took away a different message, a message almost completely antithetical to what I said and what I believe.

Two, my "thinking again" post may not be the kind of thinking again you think it is. I could not possibly have captured everything I thought and felt in a book, let alone a post. Everything I said in that post is utter (occasionally raw) truth. It's just ambiguous, and a lot of people are seeing things in it that aren't so.

There would be irony there, except with the second post, I knew that would be the case. It was a necessary catharsis anyway.

I hope that, among those who have been upset and disappointed by my original post, I will have the chance to continue to converse, and to have us all learn by that conversation.

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