When white people make black music
by CarmenVanKerckhove

Yes, that headline is meant to be provocative. Who counts as "white"? Is there such a thing as "black" music? There are no easy answers to any of these questions, of course. But lately I've seen quite a bit of discussion on this topic, particularly when it comes to so-called "blue-eyed soul."

L.A. Times music critic Ann Powers recently wrote of Joss Stone:

If there's one fault on "Introducing," it's that Stone's comfort level with that tradition remains too high. Throughout the album, she sings in a voice she learned from those soul albums; the lilt of coastal England never surfaces. Crafting a new self from beloved popular cultural sources, Stone is very much of her generation; it's her sincerity, her refusal to see that identity as artificial, that singles her out.

That led Salon's music blog, Audiofile, to ask: Does Joss Stone sound too black?

But isn't the argument that only certain types of people have the "right" to sing certain types of music hopelessly reductive? Should only poor white people play punk music? Do Northern-born blacks have less purchase on the blues than those born in the South? Can someone from California honestly play bluegrass? The truth may be distasteful, but scholars and critics like Nick Tosches, Eric Lott and Greil Marcus have shown that, for better or worse (and I firmly say it's the former), popular culture is one long story of cultural alchemy. Call it exchange, call it theft, call it what you will, but without the interplay between cultures, our world would be radically different.

Oliver Wang, writing on the blog soul sides, recently asked this about Amy Winehouse:

What I want to say right now is that it does bear the question: would Winehouse seem as intriguing if not for her British + Whiteness? Coincidentally, I recently interviewed none other than Sharon Jones, who rightfully deserves recognition as the pioneering retro-soul singer for our era, and though she had nothing negative to say about the woman who's currently touring with the band she normally rocks with, Jones did note that she finds it disappointing that she's never enjoyed the same level of media attention as a lot of these new soul singers coming out of the UK (most of whom, notably, are young, handsome/pretty and White).

Tia and Toya from the blog Black Girls Like Us, remarked on the marked difference in lyrical content between white soul/R&B singers like Elliott Yamin and Thicke, and black soul/R&B singers like Omarion or Usher:

My problem is that it seems to me that mainstream labels are encouraging white artists who do soul music to be able to sing about love while they are encouraging black artists to sing about anything but love...I turned on the radio to 101.1 The Beat to find every R&B ballad I heard outside of Marques Houston's to be about infidelity and love gone wrong. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

However on the same station I can hear [Justin Timberlake] sing this:

Because, I can see us holding hands
walking on the beach our toes in the sand
I can see us in the country side
sitting in the grass laying side by side
You can be my baby
Gonna make you my lady
Girl you amaze me
Ain't gotta do nothin crazy
See all I want you to do is be my love

Then IN THE SAME song you hear T.I. say this ignant ish right here:

I'm patient, but I ain't gonna try
You don't come, I ain't gonna die
Hold up, what you mean, you can't go why?
Me and you boyfriend we ain't no tie
You say you wanna kick it when I ain't so high
Well, baby it's obvious that I ain't your guy
Ain't gon' lie, I feel your space
But forget your face, I swear I will
St. Barths, same bullet, anywhere I chill
Just bring wit me a pair, I will

What do you think? Are white soul singers given more exposure because they're seen as novelty acts? Are record executives pushing black soul singers to be more explicitly sexual? Is it an act of cultural appropriation for a white person to sing soul or R&B music?

Contributing editor Carmen Van Kerckhove hosts the podcast Addicted to Race and blogs at Racialicious, Anti-Racist Parent, and Race Changers.

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Music is a universal expression...

Music is a universal expression...I would hate to think that music is classified according to race or culture and that it would be taboo for one person to sing another genre of music outside of color lines. As for explicit lyrics and their relations to  race, I think that you can find examples in any type of musical genre.  I personally choose to not listen to anything I find offensive;but often wonder if it is truly because of the music or if it's because I am older and more mature than I was 12 years ago.

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People always talk about

People always talk about white/black music. There is music created by black or white people but can you really classify the music based on the race of the person who performs it? Music Lessons
 

 

Interesting!

1) Yes and no. For that assumption to be logically true, artists like Alicia Keys, Kelly Price, and Angie Stone cannot not exist. Obviously labels think it's easier to market a white girl who sings soul because the stereotype is that white women can't sing like that. Instant gimmick. Gimmicks sell.

2) Labels are pushing ALL women to be more sexual. My experience is that black hip hop and r&b female artists are pushed harder into demonstrating a more overt sexuality than soul artists.

3) All music is one big cultural appropriation. Rock 'n' roll was a mashup of two polar opposites in music: country and blues. I don't think rhythm is limited to skin type, excluding Elaine from "Seinfeld."

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Very Interesting...

I don't think it has anything to do with skin color either, years ago when Teena Marie started no one knew she was white, we had not seen a picture but we all loved her music from the start. After finally seeing her and realizing she was white did we stop buying and listening to her music, NO we embraced her just as much if not more.

Good music is good music in my opinion I for one do not look at black and white when it comes to music. I love it all, rock, pop, soul, R&B pretty much anything except Rap and or Hip Hop I can't take. I refuse to listen and or support something that disrespects woman by calling us out of our names. How do these young people feel about there mothers, come on now. How do you expect our young people to become responsible when all they know or see when it come to music is sex, women being called b******, half dress etc.

If I was growing up during this time I would not be able to deal with the mixed messages of what we see in these video and so called music that these hip hop artist are calling music, this garbage is not music in my opinion.

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For me music is universal,

For me music is universal, there no such thing called as black or white music..

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Thanks for bringing up a good topic...

Carmen, I thought your analysis was thoughtful and well-presented. It's a question that makes people people uncomfortable (as many of your ideas must), because it takes music, which most people use for entertainment and escape purposes, and brings it into a socio-political light. Most people don't want to think too hard about artists they like, because then we might be confronted with things that we don't like, and it's difficult to separate the work from it's creator, as exemplified by the "colorblind" music fan responses.

(Also, sidenote, it is disappointing to see yet another broad attack on/disregard for the genres of rap and hip hop, as if blatant sexism and misogyny don't exist in rock and pop music. Some hip-hop music is truly artful - people might learn more about this if they bothered to listen to more than what's on the radio and TV - but that might require some actual effort. Alas.)

I don't have much time for a more measured response to your ideas (which I DO believe are valid, and worth discussing), but I wanted to speak up and let you know that this is a discussion worth bringing up. Thanks.

Atena

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First off, I agree that

First off, I agree that music is universal. If we were never allowed to cross the lines based on color, would there have been a Marion Anderson, Leontyne Price or Jessye Norman (black opera singers). What about Charlie Pride (black country musician, no i'm not kidding)? Should we say that Bob James can no longer play jazz piano because he's white? All R&B soul singers are not overtly sexual like R. Kelley, who writes the majority of his songs. Remember, he also wrote Fortunate which is a beautiful love song done by Maxwell. Unfortunately, sex sells and the people getting the most air time are those who are overtly sexual.

As far as the rap/hip hop debate goes, rap is just like anything else. You have your good and your bad, just like with rock and pop. All RAP artists are NOT calling women out of their names. The rappers that do are the ones I will not listen to and never have. As for Justin Timberlake and Robin Thicke, I have both their albums. I also have country, classical, jazz and some rock. I love all music regardless of color. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply not a true lover of music.

Josh Stone may in fact be pushed moreso because the voice coming from her mouth does not match the body. I thought she would be a large woman and while that may make her music more interesting for some people; there is no doubt that girl is simply talented.

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This topic is a good one, but it's
unfortunate.

I think this is something that black people have worried about for some time now. It's a shame that we have to worry about such things in this day and age. It's not fair to the artist who just wants to do what they naturally love to do, but at the same time, black people remember the days when race records existed and white versions of songs were recorded to sell more records. I think the executives could have race on the brain when they push white artists that have a soulful sound because they think they will sell more records to white people.

I hate that all of this exists. I wish we could just listen to an artist and appreciate their music without thinking about an underlying problem such as this.

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