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Newsflash: Many Men Want to Marry, Settle Down.

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In Zandria's recent BlogHer post, When do you consider yourself off the market? she linked to a post from Moxie who stated:  "It's my opinion that men do not date with the intention of settling down. They date for companionship. Whereas women date to settle down. We reach that end goal emotionally and mentally long before men do."  I have a different take on this common perception.

Historically speaking, men and women were taught a game - maybe it even came from who we were in our earliest times.  The game was, women want to settle down and men want to be free.  So women had to weld their feminine wiles to trap a man.  And a man was always a little wild; it was the woman who wanted home and stability and family.  Of course, this wasn't actually true of everyone, but most everyone felt like they had to play the game.

Not actually the basis for truly happy people and relationships, although the divorce taboo kept many families together anyway.

Go forward in time to now:  Many, many women have more choices than ever before, AND many, many women aren't being given a script from the moment they pop out of the womb.  Many women are being told to look inward and consider who they really are and want they really want at any given moment in time.

Were we really surprised that many women like sex and casual fun, too?  Were we really surprised to find that many women are naturally ambitious and intelligent and natural leaders?

Well, I guess some of us were.

I live in Los Angeles, Calif. where lots people are very, very free, socially speaking.  And I feel that the natural change in women when presented with freedom and options does cause a difficult transition period for society.  Surely, I have sat at a table with men and women, where a man has pronounced, "I don't date women over 25 (30, 35) because they all want serious relationships and to get married and have kids."  Meanwhile, most of the women around the table are looking at him blankly like, "Dude, seriously?"  That's a really sweeping sentence, and sometimes I just have to laugh at all the different ages that's been "true" about me as a woman.  Poor guy.

Many men find themselves still playing this game - only to find that many of the women in their dating pool aren't playing the other side anymore.  Nobody's looking to trap them.  You want to live a casual lifestyle?  That's cool.  Plenty of women do, too.

Women's side of the transition is that when you do get to that point where you're ready to settle down and have a family, society is only so eager to cry stereotype.  Aha!  Another woman looking to trap a man so she can have children!  We knew that's what women always want all along!

Many women are so terrified of losing their hard won individuality and becoming easily categorized and dismissed as a "woman" and a "mother" that they run from relationships and/or choose to stay single.  There is this phenomenon where you feel that you were allowed to be free until the moment you say "yes" and suddenly you're supposed to spend all your time planning a wedding and the traditional stereotypes crash down around you like prison walls - which only prepares you for a world where you still do most of the housework and the childcare and you're totally marginalized as a "mother."

But I digress into my terror zone, sorry.

So now we have men who no one wants to trap and women who feel they can't settle down without losing themselves.  How will our world ever go on?

Certainly some people point to this as a broken system and advocate a return to gender stereotypes.  The freedom of half of humanity be damned.

But a funny thing happened on our way to extinction.  It turns out, men aren't dumb animals.

OF COURSE men want to settle down and have families, and what's happening to many men in their 30s and 40s in Los Angeles is that they are realizing that they are going to have to own their wants and desires.  They're going to have to stop playing cool if a relationship and a family is what they want.  I suspect that many men in their 20s don't even have to go on this journey - they are already learning to own what they want out of life when they want it, just as many women are.

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Richard Brian Penn 5 pts

I believe a lot of guys do, but since there's such a high rate of divorce; many men hesitate when it comes to walking down the aisle.  We want to do it just once.

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ciscobaby 5 pts

Instead, I think you are a thoughtful observer of subtleties in our culture. We don't discuss how the implications of marrying for men is different than for women. In general, the major "sacrifice" men give up when marrying, is their so-called freedom. As though we women are dungeon keepers who have finally led the prisoner down the darkened stairwell, to his dreary cell from whence he'll never return (I have no idea if i used the word "whence" correctly just then). People don't seem to think women have to sacrifice anything by marrying. Most people assume that when a woman marries she has achieved her ultimate goal.

I see my sister-in-law, who I love dearly, struggle all the time with her new role as housewife. She was a successful State's Attorney. But she chose to stay at home with my nephew. Too many people believe she is "lucky" and sits around all day. Where I believe she's lucky in that they can afford to have a parent stay home, I see a woman who misses her life out in the world. She is a social girl who always enjoyed her work. I think she misses adult conversation and intellectual debate. When my brother comes home from work, he is often too tired to have lengthy discussions. Especially about law, since he's dealt with it all day. So my sister-in-law is left to be alone with her thoughts, even when her husband has come home.

She has sacrificed much. And she does not complain. And she loves her husband and her son. But I see her longing in her eyes, and i see how she misses what she once had. Does anyone acknowledge her for all she has done? Nope. They assume she is happy, eating bon bons and watching lifetime.

Okay Babz, I fear I've rambled on too long and made no real point. But I think my point was, I know what you mean!

See more of my rantings and sometimes thoughtful observations at A Great Day For Willowfish ( http://willowfish.blogspot.com/ ).

Lovebabz 5 pts

I am sure this statement is true, afterall falling in love and growing a family is big business. I just think that when men start talking about settling down and starting a family that it is still about a woman sacrificing a great deal to become wife, mother and own-person. I get this, I am wife, mother and own-person. What is baffling to me, is that there aren't any real conversations about what happens when women marry versus when men marry. Men marry and we think oh how great, he is sensitive and caring--a good catch, but we don't applaud women who run screaming when the word wedding or marriage is mentioned. I think marriage is great on some level, but I am not so sure it is in the best interest of women--so much is given up to be in a coupledom. Perhaps I am jaded because my 12 year marriage is ending. I do know there were times when I wished I never did it and the clarity of singledom transfixed me like seeing into the future. But nonetheless, women still take on those traditional roles once they proclaim "I do" I just wish we had honest dialogue about what we as women give up in order to chase after some illusionary constant state of couple happiness.

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Babz

ciscobaby 5 pts

I am absolutely in love with my niece and nephew. However, whenever I talk about them, my coworkers croon about how my "baby clock" is ticking. They roll their eyes and exclaim, "Look out guys, she's looking for BABIES!" It's offensive. I'm sick of it.

On another note, I really hate the popular new trend of calling it a "personal journey." Can we find another way of describing our lives please?

See more of my rantings and sometimes thoughtful observations at A Great Day For Willowfish ( http://willowfish.blogspot.com/ ).

Lovebabz 5 pts

Ciscobaby,
You are on point and your are not rambling. We as women are not realistic about what it takes to be wife and mother. I was elected to public office twice and God it was so hard campaigning with kids. Everywhere I went people kept asking me about neglecting my kids and how does my husband feel about me being away from home so much. The first 200 times I got this question pissed me off. Then I started bringing my kids with me so they could see that I was a serious mother. Tell your siter-in-law to put those kids in day care and take her ass back to work. Look I am the mother of 4 kids, so I know what I am talking about. Love them yes of course, but don't give up who you are to be there for them--your always there for them. Sure men are making great strides in wanting a family, but at the end of the day when I am in meetings etc, very few women are at the table--they are getting dinner and reading bedtime stories--all necessary and very much needed--however--as James Brown put it so eloquently..."It's a man's world". I am done feeling guilty about my choices. I have 2 daughters and 2 sons they need to see women holding it down on their own terms. They need to see women working and loving it!
Love,
Babz
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Liz Rizzo 5 pts

Just wanted to jump on and say I really enjoyed the comments on this thread. I have a close friend who left the workforce to raise twins, and who's now getting a divorce and trying to figure it all out. She had a really hard time not working outside the home, and my personal feeling (from our discussions) is that in the longrun, she will be SO much happier when she starts working again!

Liz Rizzo ( http://www.blogher.com/blog/liz-rizzo )

I blog at Everyday Goddess ( http://everydaygoddess.typepad.com/ ) and On The Lot ( http://community.thelot.com/blogs/lizriz ).

Liz Rizzo 5 pts

Oh Ciscobaby,

I SO hear what you're saying here - that's EXACTLY what I hate, and it makes me just think of children like they are a plague sometimes - which is just horrible!

Liz Rizzo ( http://www.blogher.com/blog/liz-rizzo )

I blog at Everyday Goddess ( http://everydaygoddess.typepad.com/ ) and On The Lot ( http://community.thelot.com/blogs/lizriz ).