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Marriage: It's not for everyone

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Ah, June. A nice month, not too hot...and generally a popular time for weddings. But with so many taking place, I thought we should hear from some people who don't plan on having a ceremony—ever.

From Jill:

As far as I can tell, most people end up getting married—yet I can’t imagine that every one of those people, or even most of them, found someone who, social constraints and cultural expectations aside, they would actually want to spend the rest of their life with in a monogamous relationship. I don’t think it’s cynical for me to point out that most people settle. And there’s nothing necessarily wrong with that. Marriage is the cultural norm. It brings tons of benefits with it, including important social ones—men and women of a certain age are expected to be married; married people socialize with other married people; not being married is often viewed as an indicator that something is wrong with you. At some point (early 20s in much of the country, early 30s in places like New York), it seems like everyone around you is getting married, and if you’ve been with the same person for a while and you get along well enough and love each other, then marriage just makes sense. And of course, there are those rare people who find the love of their life and enter into a fabulous marriage that they whole-heartedly want to be in and that trumps all other aspects of their life in its perfection. But those people are few and far between.

Hugo said, in response to Jill's post:

I'm convinced that a great many women [...] are reluctant to marry (or marry again) because they believe that their are relatively few men worth marrying. Many women look at the colossal sacrifices other women make in marriage, they look at the legions of husbands and fathers who are emotionally distant or desperately dependent, and they say to themselves "no thanks." They are legitimately concerned that when they marry, a part of themselves will disappear; they fear—sadly, often rightly—that they will be forced to neglect their own growth to focus on enabling the growth of their husbands and their children.

Ms. Jared:

Now obviously I have friends who are happily married or partnered so I'm not trying to diminish or disrespect anyone's relationship. As long as you're happy, I'm happy for you. I'm just saying that marriage isn't necessarily the be all/end all for everybody and it's unfortunate that we're sold that box of rocks from the moment we're born, wasting years and years and years chasing after some dream that isn't even ours.

One can find peace and joy and love and fulfillment without a partner and I'm living proof.

You see, I'm not broken. I'm not anyone's "other half". I'm not "empty" and there is no "hole" in me to fill. I am whole and I belong to me. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

When SJW's parents celebrated their 40th wedding anniversary, she said she would never reach that milestone herself. It's not because she doesn't see herself staying with the same person, but because they've made the decision not to get married:

We have myriad reasons for not getting married. The biggest from my side is that I know it makes no difference. Either we're committed to each other or we're not, and no piece of paper will make that change for us. D will stay or he won't. And I don't want to be a slave to convention when there is no reason for it. I don't want to get married just because society tells us we should.

But the fact is that being married IS different than living together, as any same-sex couple denied that right could tell you. We have the luxury, D and I, of getting married should we so choose. (So do, of course, all same-sex couples in our country.) We could change it. But we don't. Why bother, now? In a way I kind of don't want to just to prove to people that you can co-habit and raise a family and own a home and NOT be married. Just because so many people were so shocked when I said I was pregnant, and asked me if it was planned, and even told me that co-habiting couples are more likely to split up. Makes me want to make it work just to spite them.

From a guy's perspective—Tobias, on why he can't see himself getting married:

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Liz Rizzo 5 pts

I am very pro-marriage - For me, it does matter and it does make a difference.

And I think that "commitment" is the key to what makes marriage different than not being married to me.

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Zandria 5 pts

I liked Crunchy Carpet's point about marriage being whatever you want it to be. I don't think you should get married just because it's what other people expect, and I also don't think you should NOT get married just to prove a point.

I also liked what Belinda said about marriage not being right or wrong, but the reasons for it.

Kat: great point about changing the rules depending on what you want, not because we're still expected to marry the way our parents did.

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Kat Wilder 5 pts

Thanks for bringing this issue up.
As a woman who was married for 15 years and is now divorced at 40-something, I've looked back at what I experienced and learned, and observe what's going on around me, and I'll say this — there's nothing wrong with marriage per se, only what we expect to get out of it. And "expect" — as in wildly unrealistic expectations — is the problem.

People often get married with the vague idea of the spouse making him/her happy — as if happiness is a thing that another can bring to us. We also expect the other to complete us, as in two become one. This kind of thinking just sets us up for disappointment when we realize another person can't — and shouldn't — do that for us. And we also marry for lifelong true love, which is not such a bad thing, but that's not how marriages used to be arranged. (We also didn't live as long as we do now, so 50-year marrriages didn't really happen).

So we go into it expecting a lot (putting more time and effort into planning "the day" than talking with our partner about kids, money, sex, life-goals, etc.), and don't realize how much we consistently need to be putting into it, too (and if you're living together, it's the same thing, so what difference does it make? If you commit, you commit, paper or not. You just get to walk away without the legal complications ... maybe).

I have blogged quite a bit about marriage at My So-Called Midlife, ( http://blogs.marinij.com/katwilder ) and offer my tips for success ( http://blogs.marinij.com/katwilder/2007/02/what_to... ) and a warning for those who marry for money. ( http://blogs.marinij.com/katwilder/2007/06/post_15... )

You don't have to marry the way our parents did. You can change the rules, if you find the right person to change them with. And, really, that is the only person you should be marrying.

Lovebabz 5 pts

I love the idea of marriage. I love the idea of being single. I do believe women give up a great deal of themselves to be partnered. I do beleive marriage is unequal. But if knowing all that and folks want to still "jump the broom" I say fine. I am not so sure I would get married again. I think I would like a long term companionship with seperate houses. Hey Sisters, Gloria Steinam got married at what 60 something? I gues there is something to being coupled--perhaps its in our DNA.
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Crunchy Carpets 5 pts

were very cautious and have waited till their late 30's to go for it.

We were the first of our lot at 30 and yeah everyone looked down on us for being so 'traditional.'

I also think there is a lot out there with the cake and eat it too mentality...party hard now....and then find someone to take care of them when they are older..thus marrying for wrong reasons and attitude

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Creatively Belle 5 pts

I'm thankful the days are gone where you have to marry, and often for all the wrong reasons.

I think marriage in itself is neither good nor bad. What matters are the reasons for getting married.

If people marry for the right reasons then all is good. If they marry for the wrong reasons then there'll be tears.

I read "Too Soon Old, Too Late Smart" last year and have started talking about how to pick a partner with my nephew so it is just common sense to him.

I come from a family of good, happy marriages where it is a constant choice to cherish each other (even when they are being a little too human) and I'm thankful because I've been able to tell (in time) who not to marry and I'm a happy single.

Life is better being a happy single than an unhappy couple. And if you're an unhappy being then change yourself into a happy one. You do have choice over your attitude, if not all situations and circumstances.

If you're going to do something figure out what are the points of success and the points of failure and make your choices actively.

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Marie D. 5 pts

I once read an article abou marriage, and the writer was comparing in with a scene from a movie. In that scene, 2 brothers with a big age difference were competing on who would swim faster accross the river and be first on the other site. Surprisingly, the older, less sportive brother won the race. When the young brother asked him how he did this, the answer was "I put everything in it and saved nothing for the way back".

That, wrote the author - and I agree-, is what marriage is about: you choose someone and thenyou put all your resources and energy in it without saving anything for the way back. Being in a relationship without commitment means that you're saving energy for a possible way back.
And I am personally convinced that it can damage the relationship on the long term. Who wants to be with someone who thinks 'I love you for now but I still want to be able to get out of this if I change my mind"? I don't. Even it some marriages actually end in a divorce, at least there was a moment where the couple really commited to try as hard as they can to stay together for life, and this already means something important.

Marie

Mistress Of The Dorkness 5 pts

I don't know about how children of divorce are reacting... most of the people I grew up with (I'm in my mid-20s) came from 'broken' homes... I think all of us are definitely more determined to enter into marriage cautiously, but, I haven't heard yet that any of them plan on not marrying.

I do agree with your statement toward the end... "Nobody seems to realize that marriage can be whatever you want it to be...for you." Well said!

Melanie Perry
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Crunchy Carpets 5 pts

and or being children of divorce, etc that marriage has a bad rap.
I mean..I think a lot of my friends looked at me like my brain had turned off the moment I became I wife..Like was letting down the feminist side by taking this on...that I was less of a woman for doing it.

I think because there are so many examples out there of BAD marriages that we don't think about what it might mean to us. And us only. The couple who want to do it.

We think marriage is the one way or something..the souless house in the burbs and the gender specific division of duties and the men going off to do manly things and the women giggling about it.

Or something.

Nobody seems to realize that marriage can be whatever you want it to be...for you.

There is so much fear about it all....

Sad really.

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ciscobaby 5 pts

I agree with what Hugo said. Are you truly a male? Interesting that a man would understand some of those more nuanced reasons for not wanting to marry. Truth is, despite all those reasons for NOT doing it, I still WANT to. I doubt I ever will. But I want to.

One thing I do disagree with though--I don't think children sacrifice personal growth. I know no matter what that i want children. But i think that husbands can often hinder that whole "who am i" process.

Oh and Christina, I think you are entirely off base. You say it's selfish to do whatyou want with your life? Tell me, how does one raise smart, intelligent, happy and loving children, if you are not all those things yourself? And if marriage doesn't make you happy, "sacrificing" yourself to the institution won't help anyone except the hairy dude you're cooking burgers for every night.

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