In response to my last post, Terri asked,
Where are the people moving forward with impeachment and resignation cries? It's like the Will Rogers' quote (or maybe Mark Twain?) "Everybody's always talking about the weather, but nobody ever does anything about it."
I've been following the Bush/Cheney impeachment movement for a while, and the answer seems to be that while those who believe it is warranted seemed more convinced than ever, there's no support for an impeachment fight among the people who would have to lead the charge. Even some of the administration's most vocal critics say its actions do not rise to the level of "treason, bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors" required under the US Constitution.
Right now, the only impeachment bill before the House of Representatives is H Res 333, Rep. Dennis Kucinich's (D-OH) April 24 resolution against Vice President Cheney. [You can read the evidence that Kucinich says supports his bill.] The bill is currently being held in committee.
As of June 28, the resolution had nine cosponsors, although four more may sign on when Congress reconvenes July 10.
The new impeachment supporters include Rep. Jim Mc Dermott (D-Wash), who called for Cheney's resignation in a June 28 floor speech. Mc Dermott's call was prompted by the Vice President's claim that his office did not have to turn over information to an office that monitors the handling of classified information by the executive branch because the VP serves as president pro tempore of the Senate, and is therefore not part of the executive branch.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) declared impeachment “off the table†when the Democrats won their slim Congressional majority in 2006. House Judiciary Committee chair John Conyers (D-MI) declared himself against impeachment late last month, even though he sponsored a 2005 resolution calling for an inquiry into whether the President had committed impeachable offenses.
Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-ILL) reportedly told a questioner at a constituent breakfast that impeachment is the wrong remedy for the Administration's "loose ethical standards, secrecy and incompetence." He added that an impeachment fight would be a "non-stop circus" that would distract Congress from attending to the people's business.
Editorial opinion writers seem to agree. USA Today accepts the argument that while Bush's commutation of Libby's sentence deserves criticism, is no worse than what other presidents have done, including Bill Clinton. Writing in the New York Times, pundit Michael Kinsley argues that as much as he dislikes the President, many of the attacks being leveled against him for his actions in the Libby case are hypocritical. Newark Star-Ledger columnist John Farmer says an impeachment drive would backfire against the Democrats by making martyrs out a weakened President and Vice President.
While the impeachment effort seems far from being a real threat to the administration, other efforts to curtail presidential power may prove more nettlesome. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) introduced a bill this week that would limit a president’s use of signing statements -- a declaration about the way a particular law will be interpreted by the executive branch. GW Bush has incited controversy for his use of signing statements to set aside laws or provisions of laws with which he disagrees. Specter is the ranking member of the Senate Judiciary committee.
Meanwhile, Conyers announced plans to hearings on the Libby commutation, as well as pardons issued at the close of the Clinton administration, inciting derision from White House Press Secretary Tony Snow. “Well, fine, knock himself out,†Snow reportedly said.
Rep. Robert Wexler (D-FL) announced that he will introduce a resolution to censure the President for the Libby commutation. Swopa at Firedoglake says censure may be â€the right tool to cut through the clutter†of arguments over impeachment.
Some bloggers have been quick to reject the impeachment movement. When Kucinich’s resolutions were introduced in April, Michelle at Reformed Chicks Blabbing
called Kucinich’s effort is a ridiculous waste of time,†adding, “We live in interesting times when a member of Congress would attempt to impeach the Vice-President during a time of war.†Perhaps it is worth noting that former Pres. Richard Nixon was forced from office during wartime as well, although the Indochina conflict was nearing its conclusion at that time.Ddjango, a former Kucinich supporter, declared himself dubious about this effort because the Ohio congressman was not a co-sponsor of Rep. John Conyers’ (D-MI) resolution calling for an investigation into whether Pres. Bush committed impeachable offenses. That resolution has 39 co-sponsors.
In press reports, Kucinich said he went after Cheney because impeaching Bush first would have made Cheney president.
Kathy at Liberty Street was glad to see this development, even if it fails: “[I]t feels good that at least one member of Congress is willing to stand up for what's morally and legally required.†Similarly, Katherine at EditorMom is shouted, “Woo-hoo to the max!â€
The latest moves by the Bush administration has deepened some bloggers’ conviction that impeachment is necessary. Here’s Christy at DennisisRight.com
Across the nation, support for impeaching Cheney (and Bush) is strong. Five minutes of reading the news proves that. They’ve run the most secretive government imaginable. Not only have they broken numerous laws, they’ve made a mockery of our Constitution.
Stacy Parker argued in the Huffington Post that impeachment is a moral imperative:
If we say no to impeachment because we're pragmatists, or because we're somehow "purer," what does that tell the world, or our children, about how we respect the law? About how we respect American ideals?
Perhaps that is what motivated Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) to < a href= http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-impeach5jul05,0,3983892.story?coll=la-home-center>show her support
for a new storefront campaign headquarters for the impeachment movement in Los Angeles Wednesday. Waters is the only member of the House Judiciary committee to express support for impeachment. Any impeachment resolution or inquiry would have to go through that committee.As much as we all want to see some people impeached, the odds that two-thirds of the Senate would vote to remove Bush and Cheney from office are, well, remote. About 17 Republicans would have to cross the aisle and vote to remove. And I fear that if we go through the impeachment process, and the creatures are not convicted, it would amount to exoneration. It would send a message that whatever articles are brought do not rise to the level of being criminal or a threat to the Constitution.
But I wouldn’t rule it out. If it could be done, it would go a long way toward restoring faith in America. And I would do it even if the vote to convict doesn’t happen until the day before the 2009 inauguration. The rule of law and the integrity of the Constitution must be protected.
While the conversation definitely has shifted from the days when only former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and a few other so-called left-wing extremists even uttered the word, those advocating impeachment still have an uphill climb to convince even the toughest Bush critics that this is the best way forward.
Comments
Good, objective post. I
Good, objective post. I couldn't tell if my comment had annoyed you or just made you wonder. :-)
I guess my question is has Bush done anything that is actually illegal?
If the most vocal critcs don't feel he has met the criteria for impeachment, why is anyone still talking about it?
Even if he were impeached, what are the chances that he would actually have to leave office? Both Johnson and Clinton were impeached and then acquitted by the senate. Why would Bush be any different?
If Cheney and Bush were impeached and left office, wouldn't Pelosi become president? How would much of a mess would that make for the Democratic presidential candidates? Now that would be interesting.
BTW...the quote was from Mark Twain, not Will Rogers....I had to look it up.
Wheat Among Tares
The conversation has value, regardless of the
result
Hi Terri,
Your question didn't annoy me at all. I try to fairly reflect what's being discussed out there, without resulting to a sterile "on-the-other-hand" kind of reporting. I think that's especially important in conversations such as this one, where there are entrenched points of view on both sides.
You raise important questions, I think. In fact, each of these episodes has raised questions about the standards of behavior to which we hold our leaders, as well as other powerful institutions, such as the news media. I think it can be argued that this moment is more like the Johnson impeachment than the Clinton drama, in terms of the criticality of the constitutional issues at stake.
The reasoning behind the answers to these questions may be as important as important themselves, because they offer a clue to our underlying national values. For example, the Clinton impeachment made it clear that many Americans didn't care about the President's private peccadilloes as long as he did his job.
The question before us now, is if you are among the many who believe that the President and Vice-President have abused their powers, what redress do you have? How far is too far?
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|Contributing Writer, Online Journalism Review
Impeachment Chorus Swells.....
I watched Bill Moyers Journal on PBS. The subject was impeachment. The guests were John Nichols, author of The Genius of Impeachment: The Founders' Cure for Royalism and Bruce Fein, a constitutional scholar. Every US Citizen should see this. By the time the program was over, any doubt about the necessity of impeachment was gone. These gentlemen defined impeachment as our Founding Father's meant for it to be. We have an obligation to the future of our country to begin impeachment proceedings.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/transcript2.html