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Liveblog of SXSW panel: "We got naked, now what?"

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I liveblogged BlogHer's first of five discussions at SXSW, starring Laina Dawes, Jory Des Jardins, Elaine Liner, Evelyn Rodriguez, Elisa Camahort. Good discussion included some important edge back from the audience, many of whom expressed surprise at Laina's and Elaine's surprise at losing their jobs over their blogs. I agree with Chris Carfi that Jory had a terrific point about how blogs are affecting business communications in general. And this exchange brought the house down:

Laina Dawes: "As a black woman, I blog because I have to. Unless you're Condoleezza Rice, no one cares what you have to say. [talks about being  part of a transcultural adoption into a white family.] My parents do read my blog, so I try to keep the profanity down. Wrote a scathing article on Hurrricane Katrina. I had an uncle who felt I was calling my entire family white supremacists... I have to say, it's my life, it's my blog, and I do what I have to do. I cannot restrict what I have to say."

Elisa Camahort: "So you'll say white supremacists, but you won't say fucking white supremacists."

Laughter, as Elisa and Laina howl from the podium.

Here's the play-by-play - please note: I was both listening and typing, so please forgive any sentence rearrangements and/or losses in the threads. All additions/edits/improvements welcome below!

Elisa Camahort opened with the results of BlogHer's survey, "Sex and Money still taboo," of 185 people on whether bloggers feel comfortable outing one's personal life in the workplace. Net-net result: Despite the prevalent media image that bloggers--particularly personal bloggers--talk all about their sex lives, they do have boundaries. Among the results Elisa mentioned at the beginning of the panel were:

  • 84 percent report never having gotten negative feedback.
  • 49 percent say they blog to establish themselves as a thought leader
  • 39 percent say they've gotten positive customer feedback
  • 28 percent say their blog has lead to a writing /speaking engagement

Then she asked the crowd how many blog about sex (few hands go up). Then she asks if anyone talks about salary. One hand went up: Liz Henry's. Liz tells the world blogged her entire Social Security income. Why? asked Elisa. "Because it was funny. There were years of zeros." Laughter.

Elisa Camahort "If you worked for a corporation, do you think you would blog the way you do now?"

Evelyn Rodriguez says blogs have been the reason she has been hired, but notes that there's a risk - if they don't like you, then you're out. She doesn't have a way of knowing who has said yes v. no to her after seeing her blog because it's invisible to her. She thinks it works for her. She says it helps her find people "I really do want to work with, it's been a help because it's not a huge shock or surprise who I am."

Elisa: "Have you thought about reducing the amount you blog?"

Evelyn: "People who have written to me who really like the stuff I write, and I write a lot about spirituality too, tend to be venture capitalists and Ceos and attorneys who think oh, another million isn't necessarily going to make me happy. It's taking me in a new direction."

Elisa: "Has anyone ever made a business decision based on a preconceived notion from Googling people online?"

Todd Sattersten: "Yes, it eliminated some candidates. One was trashing their former employer. The odd thing is that the Web site was clearly mentioned on his resume."

Scott Allen. "I did and actually it was a very positive experience. I was writing a book on virtual business relationships. My co-author approached me through one of the Yahoo Groups. One of the first things I did was Google his name... (they ended up writing together)."

Jory Des Jardins: "There was always a dichotomy between my professional and personal lives. I actually was very frustrated with my career until I started combining the two. I was a very frustrated magazine writer in NYC for a couple of years, and ...then when I started blogging, I started hearing from people" who wanted her to write for them.

Laina Dawes: "At work I had to do the step-n-fetch-it routine. When I went home I would blog about race relations. What I made the mistake of doing is that I listed my personal blog site when I applied for an internal positions. ...One day, they turned me down for a raise. I went home and without listing the company' name,

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Elana Centor 5 pts

Was reading a post at Diva Marketing and she had a link to a fascinating article in USA TODAY ( http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/internetprivacy/... ) about the trend of how schools are using blogs to either, expell,or in the case of colleges deny admissions because of what they have written in their blogs.

The article mentions that the First Amendment doesn't protect students who attend private schools because
"students at private schools or universities are bound by the rules of their institution and not protected by the First Amendment right of free speech. Students enrolled at public universities have more latitude to express themselves."
So let me add private colleges and schools to my list:restricting free speech is much more dangerous then having a professor's feelings hurt because students are writing unkind things about them in myspace. If I remember correctly, there is such a thing as libel and slander laws.

Maybe instead of focusing on what people can't say, the focus should be on making it easy, fast and cost-effective for people to actually bring a libel/slander lawsuit.It's only when we have that protection that we can enjoy Free Speech.

When the legal profession tells clients that its not worth the effort to file a libel suit, then we find ourselves in a situation where businesses and schools restrict free speech because they can't succeed in getting relief when someone actually slanders them.

The whole thing gives me a stomach ache.

elana
Blogher Contributing Editor,Business&CareersFunnyBusiness ( http://funnybusiness.typepad.com/funnybusiness )

Lisa Stone 5 pts

Hi everyone,

You made my weekend with this feedback, thank you! It was very hard to leave SXSW after only one day -- glad to hear I was able to help. :)

Betsy, I corrected your last name spelling, gracias.

Elana, I've been thinking hard about your comment. Especially these paragraphs:

I can understand businesses restricting people from blogging while at work, or from sharing confidential business issues that could hurt the bottom line, but personnel issues, issues with co-workers, horrible bosses and ridiculous policies should be open to discussion.

Why do businesses get this pass? Why do we allow businesses to get this pass? Maybe if businesses knew they would be accountable, maybe if every day they had to evaluate their decisions by asking themselves...will this pass the test of public scrutiny, then perhaps some of the mischief that goes on would be eliminated. Now there's a concept.

I'm torn between my own fervent belief in the First Amendment -- and my experience (which includes companies run by women) that changing the way an organization works requires working from within, rather than commenting on it in a public space outside. For better or for worse, the only way I've been able to make peace with that dichotomy myself is to work in organizations where I feel I have a forum -- and to leave those where I feel I don't...

Best,
L

Lisa Stone
BlogHer Co-founder ( http://www.blogher.com/member/lisa-stone )
Surfette ( http://surfette.typepad.com )

betsythedevine 5 pts

So many great moments, and I think you blogged them all.

BTW, I'm "Devine" not "Divine". And thanks for quoting my quip about "Our sex lives in most cases involve at least one other person."

"Making trouble today for a better tomorrow"
BetsyDevine.weblogger.com ( http://betsydevine.weblogger.com )

Elana Centor 5 pts

I really got goose bumps reading this post. The topic is my passion. While I know that Freedom of Speech is not an absolute, I find it very disturbing that it's okay to have people dying in a war for "democracy" -- for us to criticize governments that restrict freedom of speech, when in this country people are not allowed ( even anonymously) to write about what happens on the job without paying a huge conseequence.

I realize that some would argue you have that Freedom of Speech but you don't have a guarantee of a job. I believe if people are threatened with losing their job for sharing what goes on at work then they don't have Freedom of Speech. They have Conditional Freedom of Speech.

Is Freedom of Speech just an ideal for people who oppose the governments we don't like? Is that what we mean by Freedom of Speech?

I can understand businesses restricting people from blogging while at work, or from sharing confidential business issues that could hurt the bottom line, but personnel issues, issues with co-workers, horrible bosses and ridiculous policies should be open to discussion.

Why do businesses get this pass? Why do we allow businesses to get this pass? Maybe if businesses knew they would be accountable, maybe if every day they had to evaluate their decisions by asking themselves...will this pass the test of public scrutiny, then perhaps some of the mischief that goes on would be eliminated. Now there's a concept.

Thanks for the discussion. You made me feel as if I were there.

elana
Blogher Contributing Editor,Business&CareersFunnyBusiness ( http://funnybusiness.typepad.com/funnybusiness )

Leslie Madsen Brooks 5 pts

Thanks so much for this, Lisa!

Leslie

BlogHer Contributing Editor, Research and Academia ( http://www.blogher.com/topic/research-academia )
Proprietor, The Clutter Museum ( http://cluttermuseum.blogspot.com )

Denise 7 pts moderator

The blogging naked panel at Blogher last year was my favorite (as someone who wasn't able to attend) and from this bit of live blogging, I'm still loving the topic.

I'm a lot less "naked" online now than I was two years ago. Being naked is what comes naturally to me, being just "topless" isn't. Good thing I like a challenge or I'd be a lot more frustrated than I am now.

I am looking forward to the day when I can bare it all, though. Panels like this will help, I think.

~Denise

Lisa Williams 5 pts

Wow! I bow in awe at your mighty liveblogging skills. Fluid, complete, no spelling errors! Thanks for doing this -- I didn't arrive in time, and I really wanted to go. This gave me a good sense of it.