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*Not* Wanting to Have Sex?

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Sex is very distracting. More specifically, a life without sex is extremely distracting. There's no doubt in my mind that part of my intense feelings of "Bye, bye 2008; don't let the door hit you on the way out" have one whole heck of a lot to do with the extreme lack of sex in my past year. There was directing, there was friendship, there was tons of fun and learning, there were various ups and downs, but what there wasn't, was sex.

So when I read articles and columns like Dennis Prager's rather absurd, When a Woman Isn't in the Mood: Part 1 and Part 2, or this article on Web MD, The Sex-Starved Wife, my mind just boggles. I mean, mentally I understand that people have physical dysfunctions, and having kids exhausts you, and relationship problems often manifest in the bedroom. But in my daily, single, 37-year-old life, I'm pretty sure I give your average adolescent a run for the money when it comes to sexual preoccupation.

In the past decade it's difficult for me to remember a time - whether I was in a relationship or not - when my response to sex wasn't more, more, more! I mean, unless you've already done it three times in a row, and you're both like, OK, Where's the pizza?

But I have certainly read various blog posts by people - often married people - not in my same boat. And so, to get a little perspective, I thought I'd see what I could find out in the blogosphere. And as much as I'm being flippant about my own situation, I have to warn you, these posts are pretty heart-wrenching.

Here's a post from Constance at Apt. B: it's terminal (ew, gross post about sex):

Hello all! My name is Constance, and I have a shameful secret. It is: I don't want to have sex every day.

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I know, it's very sad. I am ashamed. But it gets worse! I don't even want to have sex every other day.

In fact, I probably could get by without it indefinitely. I have found that the more I have it, the more I want it... but wanting it the initial time seems to be my weak point.

Now, this seems at first to be a simple frequency problem, but really, there's a lot more going on, which she shares, and surely needs to go to counseling to deal with. What I never understand when I read posts like this, is how you have a relationship, get married, and have kids when you have severe sexual dysfunction going in.

I read posts like this and remind myself that if there's already sexual problems in the relationship, the answer to "will you marry me" is NO.

But what if you don't have sex before marriage? It's nothing I would do, for precisely these reasons, but many people do have religious beliefs and do find themselves with a nasty sexual surprise once they're married.

Blogging anonymously on The Experience Project, Surprised writes: Newly Married Without Sex. Wow, this is a depressing topic.

During the first couple of months of marriage, we had sex twice a month, then every ten days, then every month, and now he has an ED. This was a shock for me, I thought that at least in the honeymoon, we would be intimate all the time and have sex everday. Is this wrong?

The biggest problem here is, that her new husband won't go to therapy. He's also somehow trying to get her pregnant by doling out sex twice a month. Commenters on The Experience Project are recommending divorce, and I have to say I'm with them. She seems to be in a very bad situation, and I do hope that she can extricate herself.

Now, those two posts are pretty dramatic, but what about married peeps who are simply too tired? I mean, you get married, you have kids, and it happens, right? Well, they've talked about it over at MomLogic: Married Women Hate Sex:

Sexless marriage: Millions of moms are in one, yet it's taboo to talk about it. Momlogic asked 2,500 married women to reveal the dirty details about their sex lives after marriage and we were shocked by what we found--half found sex to be a depressing, embarrassing or a hassle! PLUS: Three moms and a deprived husband share their stories of sexless marriage. AND: Expert advice for spicing up your relationship.

I do love a post with web video and great information. Check it out,

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unknown1 5 pts

***avflox ( http://www.blogher.com/haystackprofile/viewprofile... ) ***

I totally understand you. before my husband I had another serious relationship, and we had sex on a regular basis. My drive is verry high, and for me three time a week would be great. and my last lover would  always give me a second helping after our first initial love making. My husband on the otherhand, the sex is so great but a one time a week on average but we have gone without up to a month or so. i feel like a man, b/c sometimes I fantaize about taking on a lover. Sex is our main issue. and now I want to have children, and am irregular. sex every three days would enssure me getting pregnant but that it is not happening. I am now in infertility and am a bit resentful towards my husband for his lack of wantoness towards me. I also love my hubby he is a good man and treats be great in all other aspects I respect him and would never want to cheat. all of my cousins and now my brother have children. It is verry hard and I pray for to god so that we can move on from this purgatory. Now I can understand women who cheat or go outside of their marriage to get pregnant (this is a chance I will never take though because all in all out of of 100% our reltionship is 85% good but damn that 20% is chipping, goading me)

Marriage is a struggle but then again so is life

Liz Rizzo 5 pts

Bill! Somehow I missed this comment earlier.

I've come to totally agree with you about the cart before the horse thing - having done it that way one too many times. It's scary to think about switching it around, but the "traditional" way of things had begun to feel like it wasn't working and didn't even make sense, because you do end up in a full-on "relationship" too soon, and then you have to "break-up" instead of just more easily moving on if the sexual compatibility isn't there.

Liz Rizzo ( http://blogher.org/blog/liz-rizzo )

I blog at Everyday Goddess ( http://everydaygoddess.typepad.com/ ).

babybeatnik 5 pts

I want to preface this by saying that I LOVE my husband, and aside from the sex we have a WONDERFUL relationship.

We were both young when we got together. And our love was fun and wreckless - we would have sex daily, if not multiple times daily, wherever we could find a quiet (not even necessarily discreet) place. We had a great time just kind of going wild for one another. 

Then we moved in together. We started working more on the other aspects of our relationship and the physicality kind of diminished.... at least for me. I still enjoy sex with my husband, but it's much like how Constance describes it - it's just hard getting to want it that initial time. 

There are various different points of blame - and none of which are really on either of us, more circumstances. First of all - about 3 months into our relationship sex started kind of hurting. At one point, it felt like losing my virginity all over again. I had to quit. I saw a doctor, and there is nothing wrong with me. No physical reason for this. So, we tried various different positions, going easier, going harder, everything different from what we were doing that we could think of. Nothing. No change. So, I saw a psychologist. No problems there either. There is no good reason for this that we can come up with. 

Okay, so that's reason number one. The second reason, I think is accessibility.  Before we moved in together, we had to fight to find times and places to get intimate. There was a hunt aspect to it, I guess. And I almost always initiated it. But after we moved in together, it was there and we could do it whenever. It was easy, I guess. 

I went a long time thinking that there was something wrong with me, and after searching I've found nothing. I went even longer thinking there was something wrong with our relationship. But we're both very happy together. I'm just... not into sex so  much anymore. I mean, once we're having it, it's great. When it doesn't hurt. Sometimes it does, and others it doesn't. 

We've worked to a compromise - I give it up (if I can) once a week, or as close to that as I can. ... Ugh, I make it sound so much worse than it is. I'm HAPPY giving my husband the physical attention that he needs - it just takes a little bit more self motivation for me than it does him. 

We're happily married, working on our second year of marriage, but our 8th year of being together. We've got a beautiful, wonderful almost-4-year-old and I'm 7 months pregnant with another girl. And, as I'm pregnant, sex is actually much harder for me than normal. For some reason it hurts more than normal, and my husband is very understanding... Actually, he doesn't understand why I do it in the first place since it hurts. But I just want to make him happy, as he does for me.

I can handle the situation. I wish that it weren't the way it was, but everything else is so brilliantly wonderful that I can take the difficulties in this one area. 

Bill Cammack 5 pts

@ynnej: Thanks for the compliment.  I'm glad you enjoed the article. :)

@Liz: Thanks for the shout-out. :D ... Unfortunately, "dating" is set up in a kind of screwy way, no pun intended haha.  As important as "fidelity" is in romantic relationships, people don't tend to place any high value on "test driving" each other.  There aren't only physical incompatibilities (too big, too small, whatever) but there are mental incompatibilities when it comes to sex in general, sexual positions AND frequency of sex.

So the way "dating" works in general, the sex starts AFTER a declaration of togetherness or the handing out of some kind of title (bf, gf, fiancee...).  In the cases where people find out after they've pledged themselves to this other person that they don't like their style/frequency of sex, it becomes an awkward situation where the relationship itself may still be wanted, like people are still MENTALLY devoted to each other, but they could just plan "take or leave" having sex with them.... mostly LEAVE.

I think that if it works between two people off that bat, that's just good luck. :)  Other than that, it's going to take honest communication for people to find a common ground between their tastes and interests..... or just call it a day and look for someone more sexually compatible.

~ Bill ( http://billcammack.com )
I blog at billcammack.com ( http://billcammack.com )

blue coffee 4 5 pts

I think i agree with you avflox, quoting Montaigne. There is that kind of absurdity in the land of married life that somehow erases the desire of sex.  It is like negatively reciprocal.  You marry to be able to have someone in bed, but once you are there, it is inevitable to address other issues such as family, kids, career.  It's a never ending dilemma.  Of course, there is somehow a dissipating love and romance for that someone who was once the husband I married.  It feels like he was not that "one" anymore.  Like, why would not he exert hard enough to be able to get a job? In my country, divorce is not an issue, at least for simple middle class families.  We don't readily succumb to it you know and are taught by elders to stick it out and be like martyrs.

avflox 5 pts

We're working on it, but it's hard. You'd never think sex would be something you had to work AT, you know? It's always been such a powerful, effortless sort of communion for me. Here's to 2009 being wonderful and full of progress in that department!

TracieB 5 pts

I read the woman's post on Newly Married Without Sex, and the guy does have a clear self esteem and eating disorder in terms of gaining weight.  He does sound a bit selfish in terms of his choices, but his lack of understanding about sex and attitude can be changed.  He does seem to be putting pressure on himself to be perfect in terms of providing for his family.  But she wants him and not just that he make the money he's tryign to make.  I think that stress and the stomach problems and other issues can be hard.  And she said he was a virgin too when it came to the wedding night; perhaps he is just really uneasy about how he does in the sexual department.  I think he should go for counseling, too, and not be ashamed to do so, but I still disagree that she should divorce him.  What if at some point she hit an illness or a time she was really deeply depressed and unable to perform well or comfortably, and the shoe was on the other foot.  She wouldn't want to be left for this issue, either, anymore than he would.  I dont' know because I'm not them.  I am just saying that you can be married and deal with all sorts of difficult things and your marriage can not only recover and heal from it but also thrive later on.  The difficult seeds there can be flowers later.

Liz Rizzo 5 pts

PTLawMom - You bring up a good point in that, of course, sometimes you have different sexual needs than your partner and you do have to come to some sort of compromise. I do wonder what will happen to my sex drive as I get older, or if I get into a long term relationship. I was in a 2 1/2 year relationship where it didn't slow done at all not *too* long ago, but you never know, and you do have to navigate differences.

avflox - That's so sad. :( I do hope that there are other things in the relationship that are satisfying.

Zandria - Amen!

Liz Rizzo ( http://blogher.org/blog/liz-rizzo )

I blog at Everyday Goddess ( http://everydaygoddess.typepad.com/ ).

Zandria 5 pts

It's hard for me to imagine being in a sexless marriage. The worst part about being single is not having sex on a regular basis!

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avflox 5 pts

I was a sex-starved wife. And I'm like you, a deeply sexual person,
so not feeling the same level of passion in my partner was a brutal,
almost traumatic experience. We've moved beyond that point in our
marriage, but I think a vital part of the couple we once were died of
starvation in that desert vastness of desirelessness.

Marriage
is such a strange, surreal state. I like that quote from Montaigne,
"the land of marriage has this peculiarity, that strangers are desirous
of inhabiting it, whilst its natural inhabitants would willingly be
banished thence."

PTLawMom 5 pts

During my eight-year marriage, my ex-husband wanted sex at least five nights a week and I believed that it was healthy for us to do because he had a high sex drive and mine was less but I felt like if I didn't do it, he would get it elsewhere.  That's sad, huh?  And ultimately he did anyway.  That aside, towards the end of our marriage I hated it.  We always had to have it his way at his time and he was always all over me.   There was also the dynamic of our very huggy, physical son so by the end of the day I didn't want ANYONE touching me!!!  And my husband would force me to climax and get angry if I didn't (I know, some women wouldn't complain), but that made the whole thing more abusive than happy.  So, no, I did not want sex for many years of my marriage - at least not nearly as often as he did.  I could have been happy with 1-2 nights/week.

Now, as a single woman, I CRAVE it.  It's like my libido has gone insane.  And, as my luck would have it, I'm dating a man who, for a variety of reasons, can only give it to me about once a week.  Ack.  :(  Sure, I could switch.  But I might end up with someone who doesn't give me all the other things he does.  And I'd like to believe that part of our relationship will improve before I have to turn to Adult Friend Finder or Craigslist Personals.  Hahaha.  And, hey, that's why God invented Babeland ( http://www.babeland.com/?kbid=1110 ).  I'd like to think that the next man I marry will be able to go head-to-head (ha, ha) with me in bed.  I hope so!

Gena Haskett 6 pts

Some of us have issues that need to be worked out before hoping into bed with some guy. Not even referring to the super deep stuff like abuse. Hopefully you do the work before you get married. Seems to me that isn't happening with a lot of couples.

Sex is not a cure for low self esteem. It is not a cure for loneliness (it can help in the short term but still) and it can't make a crappy guy decent just cuz he wants have sex with you.

Here is the other side of the coin. In my imaginary world I'm bonking any guy who will have me. Yes, I am a having sex but unlike porn it ain't all good. These are human beings and some of them are icky in and out of bed.

Why is that better than reading a book? And what do you mean "supplying her?" You mean providing a home, semen for kids and all that he thinks she wants?

Wait - I can't talk about that. That is a choice and a contract arrangement between two people.

I will not sign a contract like that. I will not marry for pay to play. I want love, trust, understanding and a partnership. Me and my partner will have sex and if that isn't possible then I want to know why and what we can do to make it better.

If I love him and he doesn't want to sex up then I have choices. I will be honest and share with him what we can and cannot do. He has got to communicate with other than the organ in question.

I am not a servant to anybody. Don't want to be and not a sexual servant because he pays the rent? No, no, and no. A literary time out is better than bashing somebody over the head with said book.

Gena - Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com )

Liz Rizzo 5 pts

ynnej & searching within - I love the word "partnership" and thinking about fulfilling each other's needs within a relationship. It really is *so* important.

Love what you both said here.

Liz Rizzo ( http://blogher.org/blog/liz-rizzo )

I blog at Everyday Goddess ( http://everydaygoddess.typepad.com/ ).

searchingwithin 5 pts

Possibly I didn't make myself as clear as I should have, due to gearing my origiinal reponse toward the audience, which believes somehow, that sex is a choir and/or a duty that they should not feel obligated to fulfill.

We all have our own individual needs that we need to have met in a relationship, it doesn't matter what gender you are, and they all vary between separate individuals, not sexes. Sex is only one of them, out of the realm of possibilities.

When you enter into a commitment relationship you are vowing to try to fulfill your partners needs the best that you can, as well as your own. To say you shouldn't have to, is just wrong, in my opinion. If you can't, or are unwilling to do that, then you should not enter into a committed relationship with that person, and leave them free to find someone who is willing and able. 

Personally, I need sex in my relationship. Without it, I would feel totally unloved, and appreciated. If I ever knew my partner would rather read a book, I would be crushed! Among other things.

ynnej 5 pts

Wow, love the Bill Cammack article! Although definitely it is not clearly an *only men* or *only women* problem when there isn't nooky going on. I do think it is a problem, though. The idea that it's normal or OK to skip the sex part doesn't sit right with me. It's a problem, to be worked on and dealt with, I think. Giving up on that aspect of the marriage (or partnership, or relationship) is still giving up. Giving up on a partnership in the long run is a slow process over the years, and this is one area that can really eat away at the whole thing. I say, fight for it!! Do the work, and keep the sex going!!

http://ConscientiousConfusion.blogspot.com

Liz Rizzo 5 pts

searchingwithin - Hm... You seem to buy into (at least a little?) the interpretation that men and women have different needs, and that I would disagree with. I don't see my sexual needs as any different from a man's, nor do I have needs within a relationship that I think a man doesn't also have. But, that said, I do definitely agree that physical love is very important within a relationship.

TracieB - Did you read the post I referenced when speaking about divorce? It's not really a usual situation. She married this guy and they've had sexual problems since the honeymoon. And he refuses to go to counseling and frankly seems like a total loser slimeball she needs to run from immediately before the jerk gets her pregnant. I get what you're saying, generally speaking, that you shouldn't throw a marriage away because of sexual problems, but if the person with problems absolutely refuses to address them, eventually, what choice do you have? But yes, generally, not a first solution.

But in the case of the post in question, I would say, if you are entering into a marriage knowing you have sexual problems that you haven't addressed or discussed with your partner, it's akin to a homosexual entering a heterosexual marriage, and frankly anyone that does that deserves to get dumped on their ass as promptly as possible.

Liz Rizzo ( http://blogher.org/blog/liz-rizzo )

I blog at Everyday Goddess ( http://everydaygoddess.typepad.com/ ).

TracieB 5 pts

I think that people with a past history of sexual abuse can struggle with sex, or for other reasons.  i don't think it's very fair to them to divorce them for struggling in the area of sex.  All marriages deal with issues, and many of them are major issues.  I think a person dealing with depression,, bi polar disorder, or whatever,  if I said I'd leave him because he has a ongoing mental condition, everyone would righly call me a slime bucket.  Perhaps there's a physical or mental condition behind the sexual issue that someone is dealing with, and not that the person is "withholding" sex out of callousness or selfishness.  Serious body image issues or eating disorders or all manner of depression or even medication can affect it.  i definitely don't think divorce should be a first resort, not by any means, and even if there is a time period where you feel sex deprived in marriage, you should  not threaten divorce or feel entitled to divorce.  All of the above that I mentioned can affect sexual ability, drive, etc.  It's not an excuse for someone not to deal with issues they have in that department, but neither is it an excuse to divorce.  We look for reasons to divorce too easily anyway.  I think we need to treat marriage differently than dating.  If you are dating, you aren't as committed as you would be if you were married to someone.  Sometimes I think we have to choose to give the other person the time, the encouragement, or the opportunity they need to experience healing, counseling, or whatever it is they might need in this area.  And the patience if it takes time for them to do this. 

searchingwithin 5 pts

I can't imagine anyone not wanting to have sex, and would rather read a book. How awful it must be to feel that way.

Part of being in a relationship is fulfilling each other's needs, not just your own. We all have needs that we want or expect from our partners. Men need sex (and most women, I hope), just the same as a woman needs to feel appreciated, accepted, cared for, and the list goes on. Giving your lover sex, because that is one of their needs, is no different. It's give and take. Sex is part of a man's way of showing you his love and affection, in my opinion.

It sounds very one sided, not to mention selfish, to me, for a woman to possibly think, or expect that he should be supplying her, and fulfilling her needs, but she has no obligation to do the same.  

I can understand a woman that has allowed herself to be used for a "one night stand" to believe she has been used as an object, but how can a woman who has committed herself and her devotion to someone possibly see herself as an object to them. How sad.

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Liz Rizzo 5 pts

Deesha - Thanks! Glad I'm not the only one, lol.

Gena - I had the exact same reaction to the Prager piece! Like, OK, well if that's the deal then what you're saying then is that a woman who wants to be a full human being with full rights shouldn't get married. OK... Yeah, his articles are certainly shudderific.

And yeah, I *so* get the cuddle urge, separate from the sexual frustration. I have some male friends who give great hugs, thankfully, and that helps. :) And I have been greatful for the alone times and all I've learned about myself.

I still can't imagine choosing a book *over* sex, though. ;)

Liz Rizzo ( http://blogher.org/blog/liz-rizzo )

I blog at Everyday Goddess ( http://everydaygoddess.typepad.com/ ).

Gena Haskett 6 pts

I would like to express my gratitude that I am not married. I felt icky after trying to read page 1 of Dennis Prager's premise. I ain't fooling with page 2.

If a man needs sex to be loved and that sex is a man's prime means of communicating love I think we have a huge problem greater than having sex. Because from what I just read no matter how tired, sick, overwhelmed or "not in the mood" the wife has to put out on a regular basis. What if the guy is unskilled or a "catch and release" kind of sex partner?

Does being a wife make a woman an object or property again? I don't get it. I'm not sure I want any part of a union that says I gotta have sex in order to keep you in love with me.

Since I am unhitched and without a partner I can say that there have been times when I have longed to be held by a man.

I don't want sex from him at that moment. I need to smell some testosterone and be wrapped in masculine energy. I wanted contact with man who at the very least liked me and we trusted each other.

Could that lead to sex? Yeah. But really, I just needed to be held for a little bit of time.

Sometimes I can be held by a good book. It gives less grief than a living being and I can be turned on, depending on what I am reading.

There have been other times when I really wanted sex and there was no one and wasn't going to be anyone. This is hard to say but you learn to live with it.

It gives you times to properly identify what you really want. Sex or Contact? There are no easy answers. There are mechanical ones but most of us have to search inside to find what works and what does not.

Gena - Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com )

FerociousKitty 5 pts

 Yeah, I alwys feel kind of smarmy when I read about people who are in sexless relationships because I don't get it.  I used to think something was wrong with me back when I was married because I really liked sex, but the default in all the marriage/relationship books (esp. the Christian ones) was that men couldn't get enough sex and women required a full-scale wooing to be "gotten in the mood".  Shoot...a strong wind gets me in the mood!  Anyway, great post!

~Deesha 

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