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Neither heavy rain nor three thousand members of the media all crowded into one large tent nor the realization that Greta Van Susteren can't possibly weigh more than 90 pounds could keep me from last night's presidential debate.

Along with 2,990 other journalists (only ten were allowed into the debate auditorium), I was herded into the "Media Filing Center," where politicians and pundits stopped to give interviews and reporters from MSNBC, FOX and CNN pontificated live on the air. I walked around for a while and watched all that was going on, then found a seat and settled in to watch the debate.

I began the night expecting to be swayed toward one candidate. I was very surprised that it was the other candidate who appealed to me in the end.

Obviously, I haven't had time to fact check either candidates' claims, and I'll do more research before I make a final decision. But here were my impressions from last night:

Right off the bat, Obama struck me as giving some very vague answers. I often felt like he wasn't answering the questions at all (and was sometimes not even making any pretense of attempting to), but was instead reciting words and phrases ("middle class" comes to mind) that he had been practicing for months. I thought McCain, though also vague at times, did a better job overall of specifically answering the questions that were posed to him. He presented a much clearer picture of his ideas to me than Obama.

I liked that McCain named Warren Buffet as a potential Treasury Secratary, even after acknowledging that Buffet is an Obama supporter (and I think Warren Buffet is brilliant). We need a president who's wise enough to choose the best man or woman for the job, as opposed to his most ardent supporters.

On that note, McCain's consistent mentions of his bipartisan record really appealed to me. One of the things I like about McCain is that he's not the most popular member of the Republican Party. I saw this as a good thing, since I don't identify with the image of the typical Republican. He does have a reputation for being far more moderate than many of his Republican peers, and for working with Democrats. Bipartisanship is important to me in a president, it's rare in Washington, and I value it as a voter. I'm now wondering if it's true that Obama has never gone against his party leaders on any major issue, as McCain claimed several times.

I felt that both candidates were promising far more than they could possibly deliver. At times, they spoke of our faltering economy and pledged to get tough by freezing spending and cutting programs out of the budget that aren't working. Five minutes later, they were promising us tax cuts and health care refunds and new jobs and aid for Darfur and $15 billion a year to research ways in which we wouldn't have to depend on other countries for oil. I'm not so naive that I'm expecting our next president to save the economy and give me lots of new tax breaks at the same time. I don't want my taxes to go up, but that's about all I expect right now.

As far as actual plans, though, I couldn't help but be love McCain's proposal to double the child exemption on taxes, from $3500 per child to $7000 per child. That would be quite a big deal in this house. I had gone into the debate much more interested in Obama's tax plan than McCain's, but I came out of the debate really liking what McCain had to say about tax relief.

These are just a few thoughts I had. Of course, I was interested in their thoughts on foreign policy, energy, and the environment, but right now I think the economy is everyone's primary concern. My biggest concern about McCain is that he will put too much money and manpower into the war on Iraq. I don't really like either candidate's plan for the war; I'm still hovering somewhere between the two.

I realized even more last night that both candidates really are courting voters like me right now, middle class voters who aren't strictly tied to one party and haven't necessarily decided whom will get their votes, and I definitely got the impression that both of them were telling me what they thought I wanted to hear.

Well, McCain did tell me much of what I wanted to hear. Obama didn't. And the funny thing is

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yellowbird 5 pts

Thanks for the name calling, by the way.

If you vote for McCain, I would have to say you are making an uneducated choice. If you choose to educate yourself you would see that McCain is only going to be a continuation of the Bush Admin. Unless you are stupid, who would want that? Not so hard to understand, is it?

Carrie Blankenship 5 pts

I was in Palm Springs when the debate was aired live and walked right by those old geezers in the lobby watching it with my cocktail in hand (it was happy hour) and did not even blink!

I really shocked myself.  But thank you Lindsay, for your thoughtful analysis - this definitely gives me more to think of when I get the time to watch it, even though my mind is made up.  I think it is still incredibly important to see how the candidates answer and respond to questions.

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shelleyp 5 pts

Being old doesn't make you wise. My dear long dead uncle had a favorite plaque in German that read, "We get too soon old, and too late smart."

You're aware of course, which is why you wrote your opaque posting, of the article stating that seniors favor McCain, like the younger folks favor Obama. 

Luckily, the majority of us middle aged folk also support Obama. And interestingly enough, the seniors loath Palin, but like Biden. I wouldn't count on the seniors just yet.

I wonder how much the seniors will continue to like McCain when they hear about their Medicare being chopped to pieces. Now this is information that will probably come out in the next debate. 

Too bad, too, they don't remember that the Republican party was the one in charge the last 8 years and look how crappy things are now. Or about a war more of them dislike. No, they're "afraid" of someone younger, though Obama will have good company in the "young" category: John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton.

KeegsMom 5 pts

Er, Norma156, how do you know that the Obamas don't have a 401K or some other retirement fund, most of which are stock market based? I mean, how would you even know if they own stocks or have other direct investments??

That's a bizarre claim.

I, too, am in disbelief that anyone following the election, with these candidates being out in the spotlight now for what seems like an eternity, is still undecided. The candidates -- and the parties -- are like apples and oranges.

Simple question: do you think the Republicans have done a good job leading the country the last 8 years?

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MegV 5 pts

Don't do it.  You have seen what has happened on the Republican watch.  What's wrong with giving someone else a shot? It can't get much worse can it? If anyone thinks they're getting a tax break in the next 8 years, they're crazy.  Do they really think the American public is stupid enough to believe they can pay for a neverending war in Iraq and Afghanistan and an $850 million bailout and not pay more taxes?

We need to take care of our children (health and education) and improve our image with the rest of the world (Mr.Bush doesn't care).

With the money we have spent on the war in Iraq alone we cold have funded world class public schools, rebuilt/repaired our highways, and have maybe, found a cure for cancer. (every week in Iraq we spend as much money as we allocate each year for cancer research in this country )

Don't even get me started on reproductive rights. (You don't have a uterus? You don't have a say!!!...my opinion)

I hope as a mother you would not even consider this evil war monger for president of our country.  Your children's welfare depends on it.

SuburbanTurmoil 5 pts

No mix up. Read the transcripts. Warren Buffet was the first name McCain said. I'm not surprised he threw a Republican out there as well.

Paddycake 5 pts

Thats what I like to call them. Politicians don't really care about reproductive rights that is just a tool to seduce votes, same with gay rights, healthcare etc...

You are right in talking about the stock market.

I'm losing money big time in my pension account, hopefully It will recover by the time

I'm ready to retire, I feel really sad for those who are planning to retire right now.

Who's gonna be the best presidential choice for them? You know the older people.

The wiser people. Has anyone seen any polls on who seniors are voting for?

Maria0305 5 pts

 I'm voting for Obama too, definitely, but you sound like a complete nut. I'm assuming you're a troll like I've been noticing scattered around the political posts here on BlogHer.

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Maria0305 5 pts

 Although I'm still not sure what the Obamas not having money in the stock market has to do with anything. I don't personally have any money in the stock market either, but I'm damn sure feeling the strain of the economy as a whole.

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shelleyp 5 pts

I'm sorry you find reproductive rights and health care to be old and irrelevant, but a lot of us don't.

The most important decision a President makes is who he or she appoints to the Supreme Court. This is more important than, yes, even the current economic meltdown. I know for a fact that Obama will appoint a justice to the court that will ensure balance, in support of a living Constitution, while McCain will side with the Federalist Society, which believes that the Constitution should be interpreted in light of white slave-owning men. 

Frankly, there is only so much a President can do about the economy, other than project hope. I don't see that McCain projects anything but small-minded anger, and vague "I can fix that" assertions without any details. Oh, an chaotic responses to crises, including his recent mortgage suggestion, which has all economists appalled. 

As for the current situation, McCain favors deregulation, a major factor in today's meltdown. He's also still stuck in Reagon Economics, which we now know does not work. He favors tax breaks for the wealthy and the corporate, and  I don't know about anyone else, but I'm tired of welfare for the rich. 

As for Obama not having any investment in the stock market...sigh. It's true, he may not be as rich as McCain. I guess condemning Obama because he doesn't have any stockmarket investments is a change from the Ayers stuff, but not much. I don't have investments in the stock market but I understand how the current situation could have negative impact on me and others like me. Your assumption that one has to have stock market investments in order to "understand" the current situation is, frankly (since we're being blunt), simplistic. Even more than a little elitist.

So all in all, you'll have to excuse us if we continue to look for a President for the future, rather than a relict from the past. A well rounded President, able to deal with today's problems, and tomorrow's. 

Norma156 5 pts

I find it absolutely fascinating that a thoughtful blog on the debate where the writer is still an uncommitted voter, generated, as of this count, eighty comments from this community. 

Most, if not all, of the comments are vehemently pro-Obama with the exception of a post by an alleged eighty-year old. However, writers doubt she is authentic. (I don't know how that determination is made. Interent voodoo? I just don't know.)

I also find it fascinating that most of the posts are concerned with what I consider the "old" issues and I mean old in the sense of two weeks old. To me, in the context of a global financial meltdown, gender, reproductive rights, and healthcare are old issues and irrelevant.

Wait.  Don't jump on me yet. Did you notice what the market did today? It was down 600 points. Have you noticed what's disappeared from your 401K accounts? Wealth by the trillions is disappearing.

In this country we've had the luxury over the last three decades (since the Reagan Revolution to be precise) to pick and choose political alliances over relatively narrow issues. For example, witness the pro-choice post above where the writer says she would never, ever vote for anyone who threatened her reproductive rights. 

Would she feel the same way if her candidate, while supporting reproductive rights, brings down the global financial system and plunges us into a depression?

Does anyone really think either McCain or Obama is going to be able to deliver on healthcare promises? Why even argue about it? It's moot, ladies.  Ain't gonna happen. To me, watching the debate was an exercise in total irrelevance.

We are on the brink of a financial catastrophe the likes of which most of us have never lived through. This is not hyberbole.

It seems to me, the real question for Suburbanturmoil and for all of us, is which candidate has the brains and balls to face up to the mess and make some hard choices.

I don't think McCain understands the economy very well, but I know Obama doesn't. Did you know that he and Michelle don't have a single dollar in the stock market? He is definitely not feeling our pain.

Okay, that may have been a little snide, but the point remains. He proposes to increase taxes on income, capital, and social security.  He proposes increased corporate tax rates. This is precisely the prescription we don't need at this time.  We know this. 

I've enjoyed reading these posts, although today a few minutes after the market closed, they seem a little old-fashioned.

KeegsMom 5 pts

You are right, i just refreshed my memory via YouTube. Apologies, Suburban Turmoil!

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Denise 9 pts moderator

McCain answered the question first and his first response was that he liked Warren Buffet. His second mention was Meg Whitman.

Then when it was Obama's turn, he too said Buffet.

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KeegsMom 5 pts

You're right, i meant to mention that, too.... I think SubTurmoil got 'em mixed up...

 I would think the Treas Sec'ty would need to have some major banking or financial industry experience, no? Not just be a good businessperson.

But what do I know.

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AlwaysLearning 5 pts

I thought McCain liked Meg Whitman, former CEO of Ebay for Treasury Secretary.  I actually thought it was Obama who said Warren Buffet would be a good candidate for Treasury Secretary.  This will be a very important role based on the newly passed bail-out.  Does anyone have more info/opinions about either of these possibilities?  (All speculation I know, as neither of these candidates has formally been named...they were just named as suggestions as far as I could tell.) 

MJ2007 5 pts

Agree with you also, Topsyturvy!   I believe that there are "plants" on this politics and news forum -- and I've noticed it especially from those that have only been members for a few days.   Personally, I'm refusing to give anything they say any credence by ignoring all of their comments.  So disappointing though! 

KeegsMom 5 pts

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Sorry, I just saw the one or two posts I missed about choice as an issue! So much to read... But I'm still surprised there are so few postings on the topic. 

KeegsMom 5 pts

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So many women here and nary a mention of CHOICE. ? That is my most important consideration, actually. I will never vote for a Rebublican OR a Democrat who wants to sit in a room and bang gavels and clear their throats and decide what I should be doing with my reproductive system.

THAT would be the game changer for me.

In this election, I feel lucky to have an Obama to get excited about, and poor McCain, who at one time WAS a maverick, of sorts, has flipped over to the dark side one too many times: tax cuts for the wealthy; flip-flopping on what constitutes torture; and ummm... I just went blank -- it's lunch time and I think I'm distracted by a growling belly.

I'm curious, SuburbanTurmoil, are you pro-choice?

Pallas 5 pts

to support McCain.  It's not a choice I would make (though I would have supported McCain2k), but I can respect it.

What terrifies me is the prospect of Sarah "I like what Cheney did for the Vice Presidency" Palin being, as they say, a heartbeat away.  I cannot fathom any thinking person taking the risk of such a proudly ignorant twit being in the White House.

Please, please, I beg of you, don't take that chance.  Don't hit the reset button on women's rights.  Don't tell the world that this is the best American Womanhood has to offer.  You have a voice in the blogosphere that carries.  Use it well.

Toto 5 pts

Yeah, I think McCain must be suffering from the same kind of senility that Obama has.

saalon 5 pts

That's not entirely true.  Anyone under $200,000 gets a cut in taxes.  Anyone up to, I think, $260,000 gets no cut but no raise.  And above that gets a raise.

Certainly millionaires are the ones with the largest increased tax burdon, but they're not the ones ones getting a raise.

That said, I would say that Obama's plan benefits multi-millionaires, too, as they get their money largely from the expenditures of the American People, and a tax plan that ensures the middle class has more money to spend benefits the companies who make millionaires rich in the first place.

Example: I'm a writer.  Let's say I get my book published tomorrow. If 2% of the populationhas a lot of extra money coming back to them, that's unlikely to help me or my business.  But an extra $1,000 in the hands of people that make up, I think, about 60% of the taxpayers...that's a different story.  Maybe some of those people can afford the luxory purchase of my novel, now.  Maybe a lot can.  Maybe now I'm a multi-millionaire from my extraordinary success (I like this fantasy world already).  I'm watching money come out of my pocket for taxes, but that money is going directly back into the economy through the purchases of the American People.

So I think it benefits everyone.  But it does raise the taxes on people that aren't just multi-millionaires.

Eric Sipple

shannonontherecord 5 pts

Obama's plan benefits anyone who's not a multi-millionaire.

fcmom 5 pts

I agree healthcare is a crisis. However, neither candidate has a plan on the table that will actually work.  An article at Fox News ( http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/08/report-can... ) does a pretty good job at explaining the effects of both plans. McCain's plan could back fire, leaving those that currently have coverage through their emplyee struggling to find coverage.  I know we pay over $5000 a year, which is only half of the premium. If our employer decides not to continue to cover the other half, we could be left having to search for new coverage. Obama's plan will primarily be expanded public programs like Medicade and State healthcare programs.  Leaving  many tax payers hanging, still without much help. 

yellowbird 5 pts

How anyone could have voted for Bush, either time around. He failed miserably in all of the debates he was in, he is dumber than a box of rocks. Honestly, anyone who thought he would have been a better candidate than his opponent needs to have their head examined. The smart ones don't even admit they voted for him. He is a disgrace and embarrassment to our country. Good Lord, woman, please stay home on election day unless you can make an educated choice. We both know who that would be.

Southerngirl 5 pts

Thanks for the information mom 101.  The point of the article I quoted was just that.  It is very dangerous when we get into the guilt by association references.  Everyone has a past and not everyone is proud of it.  I do not see how Obama could have known about Ayers' past unless he read about it.  But even if he did Ayers is doing great work at the moment, and has been for quite some time.  I am sure that it is  news to even Ayers that Obama sanctioned his actions. 

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shelleyp 5 pts

I wouldn't be surprised that people without access to the internet, or cable newstations or who don't read newspapers or newsmagazines may be undecided. After all the main channels that can be accessed over antenna have not necessarily done a good job covering the election (though I have to wonder about people undecided after the Palin interviews).

But I am surprised at people who are supposedly interested in the race and who have internet connectivity and who are still depending on the debates to make their decisions. There are so many sources so much more informative. In addition, all one has to do is look at the platforms for both candidates to see how they stand on issues. The two, McCain and Obama, are worlds apart on almost every issue. 

To make a decision based on a debate when all this other information is available--well, boggles my mind.

Mom101 5 pts

It's a project of the public policy center of the Annenberg School of Communication at U Penn which is by all accounts the most respected communications school in the country. It's not "owned" by anyone and it's certainly not partisan. 

Whoever threw out that lie up there is just hoping that nobody bothers to look it up. It's getting sickening.

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shelleyp 5 pts

Agree with you topsyturvy86, and had thought about writing a note to this thread not to take what new members (2 or fewer days) say at face value. This is an unfortunate consequence, I believe, of the PUMA callout--which says a lot about that organization's members. Not to mention the person they're supporting.

Thank you for this direct callout.

Mom101 5 pts

 I'm actually surprised more people haven't heard of it.

The Annenberg Foundation provides support for projects within its
grantmaking interest areas of: education and youth development; arts,
culture and humanities; civic and community; health and human services;
and animal services and the environment.

http://www.annenbergfoundation.org/

It's been amazing to me that pundits and partisans can start disecting the members of a well-respected organization to try and draw some sort of political conclusions about its nature. None of the republicans on the board seemed to have issues with Ayres sitting in their midst, because 40 years after his radicalism, he'd grown to be a respected education advocate.

The fact that any of this is an issue is bizarre to me. Grasping at straws.

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Southerngirl 5 pts

Shellie it seems to be the same org but here is a little point ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/mccains-t... ) you may have missed:  John McCain's campaign released a list of 100 former ambassadors ( http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/news/PressRele... ) endorsing the GOP presidential nominee.

Second on the list, though her name is misspelled, is Leonore Annenberg, currently the president and chairman ( http://www.annenbergfoundation.org/biographies/bio... ) of the Annenberg Foundation and widow of ambassador and philanthropist Walter Annenberg. Ms. Annenberg was herself the "chief of protocol" at the State Department under President Reagan.

If the last name sounds familiar, it's because it also graces the name of the Chicago education board where Barack Obama and William Ayers sat in the room six times together ( http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us/politics/04ay... ).

Michelle

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saalon 5 pts

It's unfortunate simply because I'd hate to see a running mate end up being what sways people to vote against a candidate.

Can I ask why this is?  The Vice President certainly shouldn't be the only or perhaps even the primary reason to vote for someone, but even in the best of cases it's important to remember the VP can become the president in one tragic moment.

I hate to be morbid here and repeat what has become a talking point, but I think it's fair to mention nontheless.  At John McCain's age there is a 1 in 3 chance he will not survive two terms in office.  I'm not sure how his battles with melanoma affect those odds.  So from a purely actuarial standpoint, I think we need to look at his VP choice and consider, "Should that happen, is she qualified, because a vote for McCain could turn into a vote for Sarah Palin."

 (I'm sorry to be posting so much, and I hope you don't see this as confrontational.  I went and got myself invested in this whole thread, that I did.)

Eric Sipple

Southerngirl 5 pts

Although Obama did sit on the board of the foundation.  I read ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/mccains-t... ) this yesterday: John McCain's campaign released a list of 100 former ambassadors ( http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/news/PressRele... ) endorsing the GOP presidential nominee.

Second on the list, though her name is misspelled, is Leonore Annenberg, currently the president and chairman ( http://www.annenbergfoundation.org/biographies/bio... ) of the Annenberg Foundation and widow of ambassador and philanthropist Walter Annenberg. Ms. Annenberg was herself the "chief of protocol" at the State Department under President Reagan.

If the last name sounds familiar, it's because it also graces the name of the Chicago education board where Barack Obama and William Ayers sat in the room six times together ( http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us/politics/04ay... ).

This was a story talking about the danger of guilt by association.  So maybe it could just be a bipartisan organazation. 

Michelle

I blog at http://www.mommycan.blogspot.com/

saalon 5 pts

I'm not sure if the tax link I gave you earlier accounts for the child tax credit, but before letting this influence you too much I'd take alook at the overall tax burdon change.  Mentioning one tax credit smells to me like misdirection away from an overall tax plan that is not fairly changing the tax burdon.

As an example, McCain's health care plan will count your contribution to your healthcare plan as taxable while giving you back a tax credit in return.  The tax credit sounds nice, but when counted against the extra taxed income, it works out to a minor benefit to a washout.

Eric Sipple

SuburbanTurmoil 5 pts

Just looked it up. Obama used to be head of the Annenburg Foundation, which runs FactCheck, so you're right. It's worth noting.

SuburbanTurmoil 5 pts

It had been announced that both sides would "get personal" in this debate and attack the other. It was interesting to see how they responded. McCain seemed to accept that it was going to happen and Obama, as you said, seemed a little upset about it. I would have been, too. I have no idea how either one maintained his calm.

SuburbanTurmoil 5 pts

And trust me, I was looking for it. But it made me laugh to imagine McCain "wandering around, out of it," during the debate (I think all his roaming was carefully planned and inteded to make him seem comfortable and dominant). And is there video of him saying "My fellow prisoners?" Because that's hard to believe, but it would be pretty funny if it's true.

Kim Pearson 5 pts

Factcheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Program ( http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/About.a... ), which is funded by an endowment from the Annenberg Foundation. Obama chaired the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge ( http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2007/03/07/26pol... ) project, which aimed to io reform city schools. The Annenberg Foundation funded that project, along similar projects in several other cities. An evaluation of the project found that it was not successful in raising student achievement, however Obama credits the experience with helping him understand the importance of merit-based pay for teachers. It's a leap to say that because both projects were funded by the same large foundation, Obama has influence on Factcheck.org.

Still, there are other fact-checking services, such as Politifact.com, a project of the St. Petersburg Times. Here is their latest ( http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements... ) on Obama and Ayers. By the way, according to the Chicago Sun-Times' Lynn Sweet ( http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/901879,CST-NWS-sweet18.article ), Obama's contact with Ayers and other members of his family was known and considered unremarkable in Illinois. 

Kim
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shellie 5 pts

Factcheck.org is funded by the Annenburg Foundation. Do you think some individual owns Factcheck? If so, can you give us more detail about him and his donations to Obama?

alice_s 5 pts

since I think that both candidates were short on specifics last night. I'm still planning on voting for Obama, but I'm always interested to hear people's criticisms of him.

If reproductive health issues hadn't put me firmly in the Obama camp before this, though, the McCain health care plan would send me screaming the other way. The real kicker is the lack of requirements to insure people regardless of preexisting conditions (and the sweeper policies that cover those folks are ridiculous - 14K per year for *one person* who's a type I diabetic without major issues is one current example, courtesy of my stepbrother who was substitute teaching recently.) Since McCain wants to develop a plan that states "can follow", but he has no promises or guarantees, I feel leery that anything more reasonable than the above would be provided.

I feel very strongly about this having been self-insured for a while. I dread the point at which I'll start to really want to use my health insurance, because that's when the current system will make it a lot harder to keep it. McCain's plan would worsen that problem, and I really question whether it would decrease the # of uninsured people in this country.

I know I'm pretty virulenty against McCain, so I want to echo some others who have applauded you for 'coming out' with this piece - I know you've weathered lots of impassioned comments before, and I doubt we have anything on the pageant queen parents (so far), but I still hope that you're not feeling ganged up on at all. 

L16 5 pts

Today he accidentally referred to a crowd as fellow prisoners instead of fellow citizens.  Last night he just wasn't clear in his arguments.  One minute he was talking about a spending freeze, the next he was talking about buying out mortgages of those in need.  At one point Obama was talking and I noticed McCain wandering around in the background, just out of it seeming.  He was trying to joke with the audience despite knowing the audience wasn't allowed to make any noise.  He is a 30 year politician.  Shouldn't he know better?  His breathing was irregular like just walking around the stage was too much for him.  I really thought the age and cancer history were just talking points before, but now my own eyes are telling me McCain just may not have the physical and mental health for the job.  And he still has almost a month left of campaigning. 

SuburbanTurmoil 5 pts

I don't feel ganged up on. I was expecting it. I wouldn't have written about it if I couldn't take criticism about my choices, and it's not like my personality or my family is being criticized, so I don't feel at all defensive. I appreciate your concern!

KarmaIsGood 5 pts

Please be aware that the owner of Factcheck is a strong supporter of Obama and has donated numerous dollars to his campaign.  Everything you read there may not be an unbiased Fact.

weemsrj 5 pts

I had similar suspicions the moment I read that comment by FeistyOne. I don't doubt for a moment that there's an 82 black woman somewhere in the country who prefers McCain over Obama, but never for the reasons FeistyOne outlined.

 Someone pointed out in an another thread that trolls from another site have been directed to come over to Blogher and using assumed named and identities do what they can to disrupt any pro-Obama momentum that may get started in  our discussions.

I appreciate hearing the opinions of Blogher members who are pro-McCain and love learning from them, but I don't appreciate trolls who jump in for the sole purpose of trashing Obama.

Read Renita's Blog Since She Spends Way More Time on It Than She Should: http://www.somethingwithin.com/blog.

SuburbanTurmoil 5 pts

I am sooooo irritated that my insurance doesn't cover birth control. It would be so much more cost effective than covering the resulting unexpected pregnancies and children's medical bills...

topsyturvy86 5 pts

I'm sorry, I know this is slightly off topic for this thread but I don't believe you Feisty one. After reading your post, my gut told me something isn't right, coupled with the fact you've only been a member for two days.

One thing that particularly jumped out to me:  You said " Well I am not racist because I am black as well - and I get to say the N word and get by with it".

Excuse me?? I'm black myself and NO black person, especially elderly ones would make a statement like that. What does that have to do with anything? I think you're not black and want to use the word freely but do not get away with it as you think black people do, and that is an issue for you.

Besides, your tone and view point is much too similar to the recent posts we've had on here lately by very new members.

(sigh)

topsyturvy86 5 pts

I think Obama was in a lose/lose situation with that. If he didn't respond, it would come across as true, and when he answered the questions he was asked and then responded to the attacks, he was called out by the moderator for overrunning time so he had to think of a way to refute the attacks as well as answer the questions in 2 mins or close. He obviously couldn't do both justice.

It seems to me like McCain went in with a strategy to answer questions and then attack Obama or say something untrue such as Barack intends on raising taxes on small businesses or that he still can't admit the surge worked, forcing Barack on the defensive while he was at the same time trying to absorb the question asked and then answer. It kind of worked it seems and it was the first time I sensed Obama getting a little angry or a little upset.

 Temi

Suzanne 5 pts

Of the two values you site, McCain would make 50% of them illegal. He does not believe abortion should be legal except in the cases of rape or incest, or if the woman's life is in danger. (His VP pick, Sarah Palin, does not even make an except for rape or incest.) McCain also voted numerous times against bills to force health insurance plans to cover contraceptives.

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Mom101 5 pts

It's not just that it was a mistake, but a mistake that's emblematic of McCain's entire leadership style --he shoots from the hip when thoughtfulness is required. He has his eyes on the battles but not the war.

Pure and simple, Mr. Centrist decided to pander to the fringe evangelical right. And it is nothing short of reckless to select as your second in command, someone who is not capable of national leadership. 

Remember Kenicke in Grease asking Danny to drive Greased Lightning for him? Well imagine if he had asked Doody instead.

Yeah, just like that.

(Am loving your threads Lindsay!)

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