Obama: He's Tan, Talking White and Ready Plus More on The Week in Race in the Race
by Maria Niles

When I was asked to cover a regular beat on race and the current political cycle I expressed my hope that I wouldn't have enough to cover on a regular basis. Well, that dream died quickly.

Now, I don't really need to call the racial po-po out on McCain supporter Grover Nordquist's behind for calling Obama "John Kerry with a tan" 'cause that ish is obvious in its racism. Fo shizzle.

Now, would that be "talking black" or perhaps "talking white" since those slang terms, if not completely played out, have certainly gained currency amongst white hipsters who do stuff like watch The Wire. But, aw dayum, black folks like The Wire, too. If only we had clear racial boundaries, definitions and cultural signifiers or at the very least, someone to interpret and translate such things.

Well golly and gosh, Ralph Nader to the rescue who informs us that Senator Barack Obama is trying to "talk white" and appeal to "white guilt".

"There's only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He's half African-American," Nader said. "Whether that will make any difference, I don't know. I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson?"

"He wants to show that he is not a threatening . . . another politically threatening African-American politician," Nader said. "He wants to appeal to white guilt. You appeal to white guilt not by coming on as black is beautiful, black is powerful. Basically he's coming on as someone who is not going to threaten the white power structure, whether it's corporate or whether it's simply oligarchic. And they love it. Whites just eat it up."

In other words, Nader presumes to know not only that there is such a distinction but also what the definition is for black vs. white speech and that there is a standard of blackness (or, oddly, lack thereof) that can be used to lay a guilt trip on defenseless white people. Nader also instructs Obama on how to be black:

"I mean, first of all, the number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas, and have a very detailed platform about how the poor is going to be defended by the law, is going to be protected by the law, and is going to be liberated by the law," Nader said. "Haven't heard a thing."

Somebody please tell John Edwards that he missed his opportunity to become the real first black president. If only he had claimed he is black in addition to offering a poverty platform, Edwards would be rolling towards 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. on some 24 inch rims, no doubt.

Ta-Nehisi Coates is relieved to learn that he is not black:

In fact, judging by these standards--which apparently require you to fall somewhere between Maulana Karenga and Jesse Jackson--there are roughly 317 black people in America. All of them live in the projects. All of them earn their keep by making white people feel bad.

This is such a relief. Now, without any guilt, I can finally get to those keg parties, cucumber sandwiches, and most importantly, white women. Wait, if I were a black man, I'd still be chasing white women...Hmmm, seems there are still some kinks to work out...

Latoya Peterson at Racialicious points out that the notion that "certain agendas are tied to whiteness and certain agendas are tied to blackness" is offensive.

And I love that last bit - plight of the poor, inner cities and rural areas are the specific area of black American politicians. Who needs to talk about white stuff like healthcare, Iraq, the economy? Obviously, we missed the memo that Barack is running for President of Blackville, USA.

Nader reinforces that notion in his response to Obama's response to Nader's initial remarks:

"And it's clear from Sen. Obama's campaign that he is not willing to tackle the white power structure,' he said, "whether in the form of the corporate power structure or many of the super-rich -- who are taking advantage of 100 million low-income Americans who are suffering in poverty or near poverty."

Um, last I heard Ralph, low-income Americans suffering from poverty included people of all races. When I wrote about "desperation lending" last year, there were people profiled in the links who are Native American, black, white, Latino - a veritable rainbow of poverty! Congress granted payday loan curbs to protect members of the military who are targeted by this industry. Why then is Nader not calling out John McCain for not sufficiently talking about a poverty agenda?

And speaking of un-equal opportunity calling out... why is Nader not calling himself out for not defining and being sufficiently focused on an Arab-American agenda as some commenters have noted?

The problem ultimately with Nader's attention seeking remarks is, as Carmen Van Kerckhove, blogging for CNN, explains:

Noticing a person’s race doesn’t make you racist. What does make you racist is if you make assumptions about that person’s intellectual, physical, or emotional characteristics based on the race you think the person is.

And Nader is not the only white guy making pronouncements on the unacceptable state of Obama's blackness. Based on a new television ad which shows Obama's roots (raised by a white mother and white grandparents) "Washington Post Congressional Reporter Jonathan Weisman said that Barack Obama is 'much more white than black.'"

Johnathan, dnA at Jack and Jill Politics has a news flash for you: Black People Not Actually All Alike.

Possibly a more legitimate racial criticism of Obama are complaints that his campaign is not doing a strong job of reaching out to Latino leaders and voters.

But certainly the most disturbing race and politics news this week is that "3 in 10 Americans admit to racial bias" in voting. The scary thing is that anyone versed in survey methodology will know that the actual number is likely higher as many who hold such feelings will not openly admit them to pollsters. And racist hate groups are using those feelings to fuel their campaigns. Watch the video from the The Southern Poverty Law Center in conjunction with the National Council of La Raza that Marisa Treviño shares at Latina Lista which details the hate groups behind the formation and funding of many of the active anti-immigrant groups operating today. Also, Jill Tubman at Jack and Jill Politics points out that white supremacists are using Obama's candidacy to increase their membership:

"I haven't seen this much anger in a long, long time," Billy Roper, a 36-year-old who runs a group called White Revolution in Russellville, Arkansas, told The Washington Post. "Nothing has awakened normally complacent white Americans more than the prospect of America having an overtly non-white president."

Sigh. People, I beg of you, give me nothing to talk about next week. Thank you in advance.

I leave you with a few more bloghers on the Nader comments:

Rachel Sklar at The Huffington Post wonders Ralph Nader, Who Asked You?

Yes, there's much that Nader could have done to draw attention to poverty issues — like be right. As it happens, Obama does have poverty positions — see here, subdivided for urban and rural areas. But that's actually not even the point. The point is, he lost any and all credibility the instant he dragged race into it, impugning not only Obama's worth as a black candidate but his "blackness" — an old and tired argument that I'd hoped we'd done away with a year ago. I mean, sheesh.

Jasmyne Cannick On Nader and Obama "Talking White"

Obama can’t be the Black president if he expects to win, he knows that and Nader knows that. But what Obama can do is champion a platform that reaches out to all poor and working class peoples, which most certainly includes Blacks. For example, the cost of food, gas, and housing affects more than just Blacks. Our jails are filled with Black men and women, but they’re also filled with Latinos as well. You get the point.

Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist on Ralph Nader claims Obama talking "too white"

Since Nader is now the expert on what is "really black," I wonder why it's ok for him to be educated and successful but not ok for Barack Obama. I can only wonder what would make Obama acceptable to Nader. Would Obama have to fit Ralph Nader's stereotype of a black person? As a member of a successful interracial, interfaith family I was appalled by his remarks. I think we need to do all we can to create an inclusive culture in the US and in the world.

Mailie La Zarr at Sky Star thinks Nader is right to call on Obama to challenge the white establishment

Nader is right: Obama needs to challenge the sacred cows in Washington – the white power structure, as Nader says. That is the change that American voters are hoping for – a Washington, DC that responds to the necessities of the American people rather than those funding corporate-government candidates. Listen to Nader and a landslide is Obama’s; don’t listen and join Dukakis, Gore and Kerry in losing to weak Republican candidates who should have been easily defeated.

BlogHer CE Maria Niles sometimes writes about race and politics at her blog PopConsumer.

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I like the Wire Maria

and I love your column. Sadly there is so much content in it it's going to take me a while to deconstruct it.

I have to share that it's hard for me to add to this incredible discussion on race and the White House because I feel like there's a social bias against white people commenting on this kind of thing (I guess Nader didn't get the memo). I'm curious about your thoughts on this. Obama is interesting because he is as white as he is black, thus inviting criticism and comment from both sides, but I feel very self-conscious about commenting on issues of blackness and Obama.

 

 

We need to talk about race, but

Thanks for your comment and kind words, Morra - much appreciated.

First let me wave my magic wand - I, Goddess Maria Professional Angry Black Woman™, absolve you of your white guilt. You are welcome to discuss issues of race and race and politics and you will not be a racist. ;)

Nader's comments are unwelcome and offensive not because he's white but because he is making pronouncements about Obama's character and behavior based on his race. It is just as offensive when an African American like Shelby Steele claims to define types of blackness, assign people into those types and then write an entire book claiming that based on his definition of Obama's blackness that he cannot win. Amusingly he has had to eat those words.

Seriously, it is, in my opinion, a great thing that Obama's candidacy is opening the door for us to discuss issues like how race is constructed and perceived in this country, how it affects (or if it does) political behavior and, importantly, how do we move to a place of understanding and acceptance of difference?

Problems arrive though when things are presented as a given not raised as a question or offered as a perspective. Let me play a little thought game by re-writing one of your comments and one of Nader's.

How would it make you feel if I said "Morra is interesting because she is as Christian as she is Jewish?" Would you be offended if I said in the vein of Nader "even though there is a history of Christian Antisemitism, I don't feel guilty about being friends with Morra because she doesn't throw her Jewishness in my face?"

Obama is as white or black as he identifies not as others define him. However he is perceived as more, less, equally as white or black as people perceive him. It is interesting and perfectly valid and not at all racist to discuss or offer perspectives on how and why we construct, interpret, understand, etc... these identities.

So I encourage you to comment on and talk about issues of race but also encourage clarity that your perceptions are yours and don't expect Obama to own them or expect not to be questioned if it is not clear that you aren't putting your views on someone else.

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I am a "partially white

I am a "partially white woman" who would like to join in on the conversation. I've wondered how Obama would be viewed by the black community. Let me explain. My grandmother was a full blood American Indian, but I cannot lay claim to being an "Indian". I agree with the guidelines set down by the tribe and that is, you can be a certain percentage of Indian blood, but none of that matters unless you are raised in the culture. If you are not raised in the culture, you are not an Indian.

How do black people feel about the fact that Obama had virtually no contact with his black father or his family? He was raised by a white mother and a white grandmother and thus not in a black home. Since race does not exist on a molecular level, what constitutes race? Simply the color of the skin? In my view if Obama was raised in a white middle class home, regardless of the color of his skin, culturally he is white.

I'm reminded of the college professor who was so thrilled to be included on a trip, sailing the reverse slave route, from the American coast back to the African slave trading region. She was so proud to hold the distinction of being an African-American professor.....until she landed in Africa and found herself stunned and humbled by the realization that she was not an African and she had no idea of what it meant to be an African. She immediately and insistently dropped the "African" as part of her identity. She found it to be disrespectful of the Africans and from that moment on used the phrase "Black American".

 I supposed it's the anthropologist in me that draws distinctions along the lines of culture. 

 Suzanne, the Farmer's Wife

 

Good point, Suzanne

It is important to keep in mind that race is a social construct, not a biological fact, and that often gets lost in discussions of race.

As to your question about how black people feel about how Obama was raised, my guess is that most black people don't really factor that into their acceptance of Obama's identification as black. Certainly Obama could claim to be white but given how race is culturally constructed and perceived in the US it is unlikely that he would be perceived as or treated as white.

You raise interesting questions about the role of culture in perceptions of race and in naming ourselves. If you will be at BlogHer, I hope you or anyone else interested in these questions will join me at the race and gender discussion panel. I appreciate your comments, thank you.

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Fascinating

I don't have a clue as to what any of those terms you used mean, Maria! I am SO lame.

Maybe Obama needs to use more Yiddish? :)

In all seriousness, I feel some of the sentiments Morra describes about being a bit reticent on these topics, but I will say - I think none of us should be judging anyone - within or outside our specific ethnicity- as being "too" or "not enough."  That kind of thing has always bothered me - and certainly in Judiasm, we have cases where somene is thought by someone else to be not Jewish enough or too Jewish for that someone else's taste.

It's more about the authenticity of how someone presents themselves on different levels - are they consistent, does their presentation ring true?  Not whether it meets some threshold for me but are they being themselves?

Thanks for a very provocative post, Maria.

 

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Happy to help with the pop culture education

But let me be clear, that was my own, very possibly lame, attempt at poking a bit of fun. I am not aware that Obama has ever used them :) But he did tell US magazine that The Wire was his favorite TV show.

And I'll offer a similar gentle caution I gave Morra... While I agree that authenticity is important I would hesitate to imply that we try and assess whether or not someone is authentically black, Jewish or anything else.

I think a good part of Obama's charisma is that he is comfortable in his skin but from his description of his life it came from a difficult process of figuring out his identity not an epiphany of acceptance of a cultural definition of identity.

I'm really looking forward to our panel at BlogHer where we can really discuss some of these questions!

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Maria - yes - this is what I

Maria - yes - this is what I meant - re: not judging, period, re: is someone authentically anything in particular, or nothing at all for that matter.  I meant "authentic" in the sense of consistent with themselves, however it is that they present themselves - sorry if I'm not being clear. I did not mean that anyone else would or should or could judge them on their subjective scale, or at all.

Maybe this example will help: for me to start going to synagogue every Sat. would be absurd.  I've never done it before, I'm not interested in doing it now and I'm uncomfortable with it, period. But I've been asked, in rather inappropriate ways, by other people in my congregation, "So, Jill, what exactly DO you do all Saturday morning while your husband and kids are in synagogue?"

Now - if I were to start going despite the fact that I absolutely don't feel it, then people who know me and know how I feel about not going on Saturdays would rightfully furrow their brows wondering, what the hell is Jill doing? Because in fact, I'd be acting in a very inauthentic way - FOR ME.  As to myself. And I'd feel pretty lousy about it - because I'd be doing it for someone else, for some other reason.

If I do decide ever to go, I will have my own reasons.

Now, would I WANT people to judge me? No. But I know I would understand if they did because frankly, I'd feel it inside myself.

SO - my question would always be, for anyone else: how does it make YOU feel? Do YOU feel authentic when you x, y or z? Because that's the only thing that matters.

Not what the other congregants say, not what Ralph Nader says and certainly not what I think about anyone else.

If that doesn't make sense still, well - I should be barred from typing after 5pm. :)

Can I wear a paper bag over my head during the panel?

 

Jill
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Makes sense and um, no paper bag

No you can not wear a paper bag over your head! ;) It's tough having this discussion in comments and even wrangling it in a post. There are so many facets. I think it will be better in person.

And your explanation of what you meant about authenticity does make sense. Thanks for offering it.

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Not even a little Phantom Panelist?

You are such a spoilsport - I was going to get my kids to color it and everything.  How about a sheet, like Charlie Brown? :)

Jill
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Lol, Jill!

I'm sure your kids would create the most adorable paper bag head gear ever. But given the topic of our discussion I'd hesitate to encourage you to run the risk of raising the specter of paper bag tests or those other less charming characters who enjoy running around with sheets over their heads. ;)

Besides, you have nothing to hide.

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Thoughts from a mixed marriage couple

Loved your recent blog post Maria. I am in a mixed marriage, in which one of us is white and the other black. We have a beautiful daughter, and are expecting again this year. Because Obama is biracial, we have seen this topic come to fruition, and the results being both positive as well as ignorant. It's interesting to see how the media has responded, on all sides. I believe that Obama has been able to embrace both sides of his life, not having to conform to what is necessarily " black" or "white." That's the frustration behind what we see as a mixed couple. People want you to choose,  thus the redundant question of  "what are you?"  There is a reason behind the definition of the prefix bi: it means two.  It doesn't mean one, nor do you have to choose one race over another. Unfortunatley we still have a long way to go with this ideaology. America sees color. Keep blogging!

 

Thanks so much!

Thank you, iambrowngirlspeak for sharing your perspective and experience. We do have a long way to go but I am optimistic that Obama's candidacy is helping us have more of the conversations needed to move us forward.

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This is just erksome on so many levels...

Are we reverting back to a point in time when white people can ascertain the amount of blackness in a person? Or their whiteness? The fact that Ralphie has just done that is remarkable how deep the "isms" are buried in all of our skins.

The comments that I have read at the NYT are a trip. Some people believe I can't make a decision without my leaders permission? Or that Obama only made it because every black person in the country voted for him? And a block of them who said he wasn't really African American and a nation has been fooled?

Damnation! There are days when I have to truly focus on "it is just that person" although Fox News strain my spiritual practices that I need to employ before cussing up a storm.

How white must I be to be worthy of acceptance? How black must I be to earn your scorn? Round and round in a circle game.

WTF? America, You still don't know me, you don't understand the complexities of culture and of the cultures that live in this land. You lock me in with .005% of what you find acceptable via television and pop culture and when called on your error you accuse folks of the magical "race card"

I don't need it just yet but where do I go to book the rubber room?

Gena - Out On The Stoop

 

Thanks, Gena

I appreciate that you can make me laugh while I feel your pain and frustration. And, guard your heart, mind and sanity by making every possible effort not to read comments at big political and news sites. The level of frighteningly offensive inanity is exceeded only by late night callers to C-SPAN.

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There are many reasons why I hate Nader

The things you cite just shot up to #1. Could this man be any more self-important? He, the great Nader, will educate us all as to how it is and lead us to... well, I'm not sure what he will lead us to except the ever increasing size of his ego.

I know that this is not the point of your excellent post, but I am so constantly galled by him that I could not help but comment on it. Now I'll take my "white guilt" and go back to eating up the white power structure or whatever I am presumed to be doing at this moment. I also hope that you are given nothing to talk about next week, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

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Thanks, Suzanne

I appreciate your kind words and your point is one of the points I was attempting to make. Nader's message is increasingly irrelevant. Even to those sympathetic to his message that both Republicans and Democrats are unduly beholden to corporate interests. However, 8 years of Bush has starkly illustrated the gulf of difference on important issues between the parties.

Nader added his race spiel to get attention, pure and simple. It is indeed sad to see his ego growing so large that it threatens to destroy his legacy of legitimate good work he has done on behalf of consumers.

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