OPEN THREAD: Talk about Super Tuesday 2008
by Lisa Stone

Call it Super Tuesday, Super Duper Tuesday, Tsunami Tuesday, whatever, today is America's first-ever national primary with the power to finger a front-runner in each party, the result of scheduling 24 state primaries in a single day.

So spill -- if you went to the polls today, or even if you didn't, what happened? What do you think will happen? What do you WANT to happen? How did -- or will -- the next president of the United State earn your vote?

What's at stake is the favor of 60 percent of voters (NPR) and up to 83 percent of convention delegates required for the nomination (Christian Science Monitor). In other words, it's a bummer to live in Idaho, the last state in the union to hold its primary, scheduled for May 27. (Here's my favorite voting map.)

The race is historic -- not only do candidates include the first viable woman, African-American and Mormon contenders -- but voters have been showing up at the polls in record numbers thus far (50 percent voted in New Hampshire's January primary, up from 30 percent in 2004 - NPR).

We've reached out to bloggers in many of these states and asked them to report back on their experience at the polls and their take on the voters' pulse in their stake. Join us! We'll be here all day, inviting you to report back on your experience with Super Tuesday and your goals for Election 2008, whether you voted today or not. If you've posted on your own blog, leave us a link below so that we can come read you. We look forward to reading you.

Submitted by Lisa Stone (view blog) on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 04:33

Comments

 

It's going to be a very interesting day.

I'm not a huge fan of McCain, but it's likely he will get the nomintion and he is the best of the bunch. I see him being able to beat Hillary, but I'm not sure about Obama.

http://sistersofadifferentorder.blogspot.com/

Submitted by Sister Honey Bunch on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 08:19
 

Republican men for Obama

Hi Sister Honey Bunch - you're in Michigan, right? Must have been nice to be able to cast your vote before today's roll-up.

Your comments echo what I heard recently from three men at a work dinner; McCain beats Hillary, Obama trumps all. These guys were all life-long Republicans. They preferred McCain to the other Republicans, but two of the three had decided to cross the line for the first time in their lives and vote for Obama.

Here's what didn't shock me: Their shared dislike for Hillary. I want to see a gender breakdown of Hillary lovers and haters.

Lisa Stone
BlogHer Co-founder
Surfette

Submitted by Lisa Stone on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 08:36
 

Pew on that very topic

Hi Lisa -

I don't know if this post (with some interesting comments!) or the original piece by Andy Kohut of Pew will help, but he tried to zero-in on your questions, I think. It's from 1/18/08.

Jill
Writes Like She Talks

Submitted by Jill on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 09:09
 

Thanks, Jill.

I wondered why this was so...Lisa, did they give you specific reasons? Very interesting.

Laurie
LaurieWrites

Submitted by lauriewrites on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:46
 

Men who didn't like the way the Clinton
administration ended...

and embraced their unbridled personal dislike of Hillary Clinton. It was gut-level distaste and they cculdn't really articulate it to me. I haven't seen personal dislike this fundamental since Margaret Thatcher. It came across as almost a personal control battle with the candidate.

And, to their credit, they said they saw Obama's race as incidental to their support for his candidacy. He is both a breath of fresh air and someone they said they could trust to take measured steps away from the Bush Administration on Iraq and outrageous spending.

Lisa Stone
BlogHer Co-founder
Surfette

Submitted by Lisa Stone on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 12:06
 

Thanks Jill! I'll go check that out...

Lisa Stone
BlogHer Co-founder
Surfette

Submitted by Lisa Stone on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:53
 

Ms Fisher "I Feel Your Pain"

Ms Fisher,
http://www.mercurynews.com/pattyfisher/ci_8180160?nclick_check=1

I wanted to thank you for the courage and integrity that it took to vote for Obama over Hillary. In return as a 49 year old white angry progressive male I promise I will vote for the first women to run ... all things being equal ... even If I don't agree with her on all the issues. Your dilemma of who to vote for as a women is one probably shared by many women (and will be in the coming weeks), and so your ability to rise above an important, but more narrower interest, is not only a testament to the appeal of Obama's message, but a testament to your qualities, as well as the qualities of the other women who support him .... Thank you all.

In the Hillary/ Obama match up, my take is that for Obama it is more about all of us ... not just him, and for Hillary it is too much about her (and the dead weight she has on her ring finger). Were Hillary to make it into the White House they would bring all the pain of their synergy back into the mix. I am not interested in 4 more years of national therapy for Hillary and Bill. I wish them well (and lots of help), but I am sorry ... not on my dime this time. Despite whatever good intentions she might have (and I have a lot of questions about that), I believe her presidency would be a failed one or at best just slow down slightly the disintegration and rot that has been eating away at our political culture for what seems like forever.

This is a transformative moment and Obama is very much a work in progress. Right now we have to ask ourselves does he have the skill set, qualities and openness to move the project called America forward... I believe that he has proved that he does. So we support him and in doing so support ourselves. Then, when and if he is elected, we go back to our focused issues pushing this "work in progress" to consider and adopt some of our concerns ... but I believe that we will not need to do so in such a narrow or defensive way with a Obama administration. My reading is that Obama wouldn't have it any other way.

So get ready to push for more females in influential positions in an Obama administration and I will get ready to push for Kucinich to be put in charge of the new Department of Peace (a guy can dream can't he?) and who knows ... Obama may turn out to be our first female President .... In a Toni Morrison kind of way.

Good luck to us all

Smedley Butler

P.S. If you have not seen an interview or talk by Michelle Obama I urge you to do so. She is perhaps even more impressive than her husband. Her influence will be strongly felt in any Obama Administration
http://women.barackobama.com/page/content/WFOhome

Submitted by smdlybutler on Wed, 02/06/2008 - 22:07
 

Never been more excited about a primary day
in my life!

I'm already tuned into MSNBC and will be checking back here throughout the late afternoon and evening. (Attending a training for work today--otherwise I'd be tempted to use a leave day to stay home and watch the action.) :) I'm looking forward to reading about everyone's experiences here. This is the most excited I've ever been for a California primary in my 53 years! Our polling place is just around the corner and we're typically among the first voters there, but we'll be voting in the late afternoon today after we're both home from work. It will be hugely exciting for me to walk into our polling place with my African-American mate to cast our votes for the first viable African-American candidate. As Oprah said at the L.A. rally on Sunday, "I'm voting for Barack Obama not because he's black--I'm voting for him because he's brilliant." I was very happy that Oprah addressed at that rally the comments some had thrown her way that she's a "traitor" for not supporting the female candidate. As she said, she's just following her truth...and it's led her to Obama. That's all each of us can do...follow our truth. And wherever it leads my fellow BlogHers today, I hope we can be respectful of each other's views as we share our experiences on this historic day (because this is probably the closest we've ever come to a 'national primary day'). The most important thing is to VOTE. Happy Super Tuesday, everyone!

The Land of Moo

Co-Founder of Bloggers for Darfur

Submitted by Marilyn on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 09:18
 

Missing topics?

Just noticed that McCain, Huckabee and Paul aren't listed in the topic tags...all candidates should be listed, shouldn't they? (Are they missing or just not showing up on the page?)

The Land of Moo

Co-Founder of Bloggers for Darfur

Submitted by Marilyn on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 09:23
 

Errr...

Huckabee and Paul are there but for some reason we never added McCain! I have no idea how that happened or why nobody has noticed til now but I'll run and add him right this second.

~Denise
BlogHer Community Manager

Flamingo House Happenings

Submitted by Denise on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 09:38
 

Thanks Marilyn! Shows you how long ago we put
this page up... ;)

Lisa Stone
BlogHer Co-founder
Surfette

Submitted by Lisa Stone on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:54
 

Well, I'm ready to go

I need to hop in the shower and then go vote. After that, I'm going to pretend to do some work, then I'm going to head over to the coffeeshop for some liveblogging (it's an Obama coffeeshop). In my Latino neighborhood, folks are partying tonight. I saw a sign at a liquor store the other day, "Get you Super BowlTuesday Kegs HERE". Man, I should go get a picture of it.

"I am so perfect so divine so ethereal so surreal. I cannot be comprehended except by my permission. I mean...I...can fly like a bird in the sky." Ego Trippin' by Nikki Giovanni
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Submitted by fabooj on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:01
 

Maybe you've written about this before but...

I apologize for just not knowing but since you mentioned that you are in a Latino neighborhood, if all I knew was from the papers/media, they'd have me believing that Latinos are not fond of Obama - what's the real story (feel free to point me to posts you may have done already on this topic)?

Thank you!

Jill
Writes Like She Talks

Submitted by Jill on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:13
 

Oooh

That was another race-baiting charge that burns my butt. I wrote a post here that explains why that meme is offensive and incredibly wrong. There is so much excitement here it's insane. I went to go get some coffee and my neighbors (Latino, Asian and Scottish) were talking to each other, "Go Obama!" and "Are you voting for Obama?", "Si Se Puede!". My coffeeshop has a huge Obama banner outside and people were honking and yelling Obama. It's like Christmas over here. I even got a Latinos for Obama sign from some volunteers from the other side of the freeway. They were saying that there's an excitement in their neighborhood too.

Just like the black community, there's a generational shift, but my neighbors are mostly 50+ and they're very pro-Obama. I speak to Latinos my age and younger and find that their moms are either very pro-Clinton or just think that Clinton would be good enough to clean up after Bush. The dads are generally for Obama, but since people not for Clinton get accused of being sexist, they're keeping quiet on it.

"I am so perfect so divine so ethereal so surreal. I cannot be comprehended except by my permission. I mean...I...can fly like a bird in the sky." Ego Trippin' by Nikki Giovanni
Visit me at faboo mama

Submitted by fabooj on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 11:18
 

Thank you many times over

I read your post - thank you, very, very much.

As a Jew who has always lives in or just outside cities with plenty of Jews and Blacks, the topic of how the two groups don't get along always surprised me, no matter how persistent, because that just was not my experience. But I kept thinking, well, maybe it's one of those unspoken things.

Now I know better - it's more like it's one of those MSM-driven things. Not to completely demonize the MSM, but seriously - it is so appalling to see just how much they'll pick up, no matter how ridiculous and unfounded, even when people are telling them to their face that they are flat-out wrong or that it flat-out isn't news (like gender and race baiting during the debates). Having more diversity on the screens you would think would help but not always.

Anyway - thanks - I just had never heard the Latino-Hispanic rift pushed before this election. I was wondering how I could be so clueless if it was such a big thing. Glad it's neither a big thing nor am I too clueless.

Jill
Writes Like She Talks

Submitted by Jill on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 11:28
 

Here's more confirmation of an MSM meme re:
Latinos and Obama

I live in a town of 12,000 on the Northern California coast; most of my neighbors are Latino. It's covered with Obama '08 signs and my carpool both last night and this a.m. was greeted by supporters (of all races) waving placards.

Lisa Stone
BlogHer Co-founder
Surfette

Submitted by Lisa Stone on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 14:00
 

Thats really interesting...

...because they keep saying in the MSM Clinton locked a large portion of Latino voters with the United Farm Workers endorsement-but just like you I keep running into very, very, very excited and vocal Latino Obama supporters-in fact I have yet to hear any of my friends give support to Clinton.

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain

Submitted by Erin Kotecki Vest on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 12:06
 

UFW

Okay, so I'm a city girl...there's lot of Latinos in the city. There are also lots of Latinos who have no idea who Cesar Chavez is or why the UFW in influential. I speak to people who just snort at the UFW endorsement because it means nothing to them. They were raised in families where no one had to pick produce. They were raised knowing they were going to go to college and get a desk job.

It's like in the black community, you have these dinosaurs lining up behind Clinton because they've always lined up with a white person. Not because the Clinton's actually did anything beneficial for the black community (policies and statements show it's the exact opposite), but because that's where they thought they'd get ahead. Younger Latinos with ties to Mexico and Central America are more than aware of the horrible damage what Bill Clinton's policies did to their families. Cesar Chavez may have made history, but a Clinton hurt them financially. We're not naive enough to believe that Bill won't be shaping policy again. Remember the Clinton's first two terms were billed as a co-presidency, are we to believe it will be different now?

And just like in the black community, there are Latinos behind Clinton and those behind Obama. Here in CA, it seems the more progressive ones are in the Obama camp. The ones who owe their political livelihood to the Clinton's are in the Clinton camp (like our mayor).

I think the UFW endorsement may be of note in the Central Valley, which explains the lack of Clinton campaigning there, but the Obama campaign has done some amazing organizing up there and I'll be very interested to see how that section of CA plays out in this race.

"I am so perfect so divine so ethereal so surreal. I cannot be comprehended except by my permission. I mean...I...can fly like a bird in the sky." Ego Trippin' by Nikki Giovanni
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Submitted by fabooj on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 12:26
 

The diversity of the Latino vote

It sound as if we'll see confirmation of some of the trends I found last month in my post on the Latino vote. It will be interesting to see what happens when the votes are tabulated in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. These are states with long-established Puerto Rican and Dominican communities, as well as long-standing black-brown coalitions.

Kim
BlogHer Contributing Editor|Professor Kim|

Submitted by Kim Pearson on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 18:26
 

Wow - that is a great post

Thanks Kim I don't feel as ignorant now thanks to you and Faboo Mama - but I have to be more aware and diligent in really asking questions when I see these labels bandied about. I hate labels. lol

Jill
Writes Like She Talks

Submitted by Jill on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 19:18
 

What's happening with absentee votes for
withdrawn candidates

I just posted this entry about that topic and linked to a very good column by Pat Morrison who can be seen in the video at this post entered as part of Erin and Katy's California debate coverage.

What do BlogHers think should be done about absentee ballots cast for now-history candidates?

Jill
Writes Like She Talks

Submitted by Jill on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:11
 

Happy Super Tuesday!

That's really showing my inner geek, isn't it? Wishing everyone a happy Super Tuesday? Sigh.

You can track those who are twittering about super tuesday by searching @supertweetday on tweetscan http://tweetscan.com/

and Utterz.com is asking to report via your mobile and tag it politics and/or Super Tuesday

http://www.utterz.com/%7Ech-NDk1MTQzMQ/channels_list.php

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain

Submitted by Erin Kotecki Vest on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:16
 

If you're a geek, then I am too--

This is so much stinkin' fun to watch, I remind myself that it's not a sporting event, there are very serious issues at stake. But the political junkie inside of my is doing backflips.

Shannon @ Rocks In My Dryer
BlogHer Contributing Editor, Mommy and Family
rocksinmydryer.typepad.com
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Submitted by rocksinmydryer on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 17:15
 

I welled up when I voted for Hillary

Did anyone else cry when they voted today?

Submitted by Morra Aarons on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:23
 

Are you just trying to get our symathy Morra?

:-)

Contributing Editor Catherine Morgan
CatherineBlogs, The Political Voices of Women, Care2 Election Blog

Submitted by Catherine Morgan on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:38
 

No! It was just so exciting

I know I'm not alone!

Submitted by Morra Aarons on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:43
 

I know...

I guess if my vote had actually counted (in FL), I would have been excited too.

And, I think I would tear-up, if I got the opportunity to vote for Hillary in the November.

Contributing Editor Catherine Morgan
CatherineBlogs, The Political Voices of Women, Care2 Election Blog

Submitted by Catherine Morgan on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 11:28
 

Very emotional being a part of history like
this!

I was completely not expecting it, but whenI saw a woman's name on the ballot for PRESIDENT of the United States I got very emotional. I'm old enough to have voted forGeraldine Ferraro for vice-president, but that didn't mean as much. I've actually gotten tears in my eyes every time I told someone about it this morning.

I was a huge Edwards fan, and when he dropped out I was very undecided about who I would vote for. But when I saw the ballot I just couldn't pass up the chance to vote for a woman for the first time. I heard Hillary speak several times at the National Education Association representataive assembly, and was always very impressed by her.

Kalyn Denny
Kalyn's Kitchen

Submitted by Kalyn Denny on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:51
 

I cried because I CAN'T vote yet, Morra.

And I feel left out. :( I'm here in Maryland and we have to wait until CHESAPEAKE Tuesday, next week. Whatever!

If it comes down that close please check back with me next week to see if my blood pressure has gone off the charts.

Laurie
LaurieWrites

Submitted by lauriewrites on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:50
 

Giggling!

I am not yet over the dread of Ohio possibly making a difference - I have GOT to move into the "embracing the vote" phase, lol, but I'm just not feeling it yet. lol

Jill
Writes Like She Talks

Submitted by Jill on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:53
 

Okay, Jill, you do have to wait longer.

March 4th? Are they serious? ;)

I lived in Dayton for five years and voted there but it was the election before any hanging chads came into play.

I'd go back and cast a vote there now, happily!

Laurie
LaurieWrites

Submitted by lauriewrites on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 11:04
 

I was in the "don't change the date" group

And frankly, most Ohioans who talked about it also didn't want to change the date, and that was before it even mattered. Now that it might matter, there's been an explosion of "it might matter!" articles in papers and blog posts.

I know I'm going in there and covering my eyes but if I had to vote today, I'm tilting EVER so slightly to Obama, though I can envision myself impulsively, at the last second, choosing Hillary. I really feel that way. lol

Jill
Writes Like She Talks

Submitted by Jill on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 11:22
 

Well no, I didn't cry

But I did enjoy filling the little bubble next to Clinton's name when I voted in Florida last month. Whether or not it counts, it was awesome and I loved it.

Now if my daughter, who will be 18 in 3 days, doesn't get to vote for Hillary in November - we will all shed some tears. She wants so much to vote for Hillary. She even convinced my son, who likes Ron Paul for goodness sakes, to vote for Hillary. lol

~Denise
BlogHer Community Manager

Flamingo House Happenings

Submitted by Denise on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 11:00
 

I will well up

When I vote for Obama!

PopConsumer
Beyond Help

Submitted by Maria Niles on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 13:07
 

I well up over both, often

...and it should be noted that regardless of which Dem candidate gets the nomination, I shall be sobbing when he or she takes the stage in Denver.

Which is why I am so glad Lisa Stone says things like "BlogHer in non partisan, women are NOT."

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain

Submitted by Erin Kotecki Vest on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 15:17
 

Totally agree

I just had to mention Obama since it seemed that folks were only mentioning that they were happy that a woman is on the ballot.

I still can't wrap my mind around the fact that there is a woman and an African American on the ballot. It is mind boggling-ly stupendous that one of them will be the nominee.

Submitted by Maria Niles on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 16:05
 

If you see or hear of voting problems

Hillary Clinton today encouraged voters to visit her campaign website to report any and all voting irregularities. Voters can report problems at http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/pollingproblems/

“I ask all Americans to contact my campaign if they have trouble voting,” said Clinton. “My volunteers and staff will make a best effort to respond and contact election authorities when appropriate. Americans should not be denied the opportunity to vote because of election problems or irregularities. All Americans deserve to have their voices heard.”

Submitted by Morra Aarons on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:29
 

Mitt

I voted for Mitt Romney. I'm not over McCain-Feingold.

Also monitoring results in my state

Dana
on KFTK 97.1 FM/Fox News Radio
Mamalogues.com

Submitted by Mamalogues on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 11:14
 

Voting isn't easy!! But we could be making
history!

Now, I know why a lot of young people don't vote. There's got to be an easier way to do this! I went to my voting place this morning, and it wasn't pretty. Let me paint you a picture. I just moved into a loft in downtown Los Angeles. The loft is cool, but the area is...let's just say...up and coming. The voting place was across from a police station, but it didn't make me feel safe enough to go alone so my boyfriend came with me. (He had decided to vote absentee and just dropped off his ballot.) My voting place was in a building called The Courtland Hotel, a low income housing building on Wall Street. (Wall Street in Los Angeles is nothing like Wall Street in New York.) And as cliched as it sounds, it smelled like urine!

As soon as I get in, there are five men ahead of me...all in their 50's to 70's. The pollworker, who according to my voter registration booklet is making $175 for the day, couldn't find anyone's names or address, but he'd send us into the voting room anyway. Once I got in, two more guys were looking up names and addresses. They couldn't find my name nor my address either (probably because I just moved and re-registered just in time for this primary?!). So they just wrote my information in, and I gave them my signature. Then, they asked me if I was voting Republican or Democrat (are they supposed to yell this out for everyone to hear? Did my new loft neighbor, who just happened to walk in, say she was a Republican or a Democrat?), and they gave me a ballot for my respective party. The ballot didn't fit easily into the old fashioned hole punch book, so I certainly hope I cast my vote for the candidates of my choice!

But now I'm sitting here at work, proudly displaying my "I Voted!" sticker...so I guess it was worth it, after all.

Submitted by Katy Chen on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 11:38
 

That's insane Katy

and it's very interesting you tend to hear these stories in the downtown, east la, etc.

Just think of all those who are too frustrated to stick it out, OR who don't know any better and don't finish the process.

Politics & News Contributing Editor
Queen of Spain

Submitted by Erin Kotecki Vest on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 12:13
 

Fairfax District

That's where I voted between '99 and '06. Hands down the worse voting experience of my life for the first 5 years. You could point out your name in the book and they would still spend another 5 min. looking for it.

I heard that voting in City Terrace, Boyle Heights, Lincoln Heights, Highland Park and Glassel Park is going smoothly. Oddly enough I haven't spoken to anyone who's voted in my precinct. Once my husband gets out of the shower, the entire family is going to go vote. I'm so excited!

"I am so perfect so divine so ethereal so surreal. I cannot be comprehended except by my permission. I mean...I...can fly like a bird in the sky." Ego Trippin' by Nikki Giovanni
Visit me at faboo mama

Submitted by fabooj on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 12:31
 

Lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit

Girl, I hope you had your camera with you.

What you're describing is a barrier to your constitutional right to vote. Not the urine odor, that's just indicative of the value placed on individual voters in your precinct. I'm talking about the fact that, based on your experience, you have next to no security that your vote will even be counted. I know nothing about this section of the law but I do know it isn't right.

I'd go file a complaint, in both Hillaryland and try this site, the U.S. Election Assistance Program for each state.

Lisa Stone
BlogHer Co-founder
Surfette

Submitted by Lisa Stone on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 14:21
 

Op/ed comparing Clinton/Obama Healthcare
plans...

Did you guys read this op-ed in the New York Times??? It really states the differences of the Obama and Clinton healthcare program. A lot of people are still saying there isn't much difference between their plans...but that is just not true. It's another reason I am leaning towards Hillary at the moment. I also heard her say she would pass the bill on stem cell research that Bush vetoed...I think that is really important.

Contributing Editor Catherine Morgan
CatherineBlogs, The Political Voices of Women, Care2 Election Blog

Submitted by Catherine Morgan on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 11:41
 

Mandates

Hi Catherine,

Couple of things:

Paul Krugman has been on an anti-Obama tear for months and has pretty much devoted every column to attacking him in some way so bear that in mind while reading the piece.

Krugman does not discuss the reality of enforcing the mandates. He assumes that the mandates will just magically work and not somehow be difficult to enact and enforce. In reality with car insurance as an example a large percentage of drivers remain uninsured. And with health insurance a large percentage of Massachusetts citizens remain uninsured despite a mandate penalty.

Hillary has talked about garnishing wages to enforce her mandate. I for one don't love the idea of my wages being garnished to pay to profit making companies. Health care is a right unlike driving which is a privilege and I don't want them paid for and enforced in the same manner.

Here's an article from Economists for Obama which digs a bit deeper into the study on which Krugman is basing his argument.

PopConsumer
Beyond Help

Submitted by Maria Niles on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 13:01
 

I know what you mean....

Hi Maria. I totally know what you mean, I don't like the idea of mandates...but I also don't like going to the ER and waiting 6 hours to pay for treatment, and an uninsured person is treated for free. The only way that will stop is if everyone has insurance.

Personally, I don't love either of these plans because they involve "for profit" insurance companies. I would love to see true universal healthcare, paid by tax dollars, and excluding profit making insurance companies altogether (but that is never going to happen).

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. :-)

Contributing Editor Catherine Morgan
CatherineBlogs, The Political Voices of Women, Care2 Election Blog

Submitted by Catherine Morgan on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 13:13
 

Wrong article

Thanks, Catherine!

And I realized after I posted that link that I was actually thinking of a different article that I read last night (the one I linked more or less says the same thing I did). If I can find the other one I'll post it.

But basically it points out how Krugman spins the study to fit his argument. You might still agree with his argument but just be aware that it's his opinion and interpretation not a discovery that there is this objective truth out there that proves Clinton's plan is superior.

And I'm with you in the sad camp of cynicism about true universal healthcare. And which is why I think either Obama's or Clinton's plan will eventually end up with the same weakening compromises and either way will ultimately get us tepid reform at best.

Submitted by Maria Niles on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 13:23
 

Doesn't change your point

I usually LOVE, love. love Paul Krugman, but he absolutely has some sort of vendetta against Obama. For the life of me, I cannot figure out why.

Suzanne Reisman, Contributing Editor - Feminism & Gender
Campaign for Unshaved Snatch (CUSS)& Other Rants

Submitted by Suzanne Reisman on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 14:34
 

I know what you mean about Krugman....

But overall...doesn't it seem like the media has been harder on Hillary?

Contributing Editor Catherine Morgan
CatherineBlogs, The Political Voices of Women, Care2 Election Blog

Submitted by Catherine Morgan on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 15:12
 

Definitely harder on Hillary

Yes, I completely agree that the coverage of Sen. Clinton has been abysmal.

Suzanne Reisman, Contributing Editor - Feminism & Gender
Campaign for Unshaved Snatch (CUSS)& Other Rants

Submitted by Suzanne Reisman on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 15:34
 

Harder on Hillary

Sure, the media's been harder on Hillary, just like I believe it's been harder on McCain. I think this has more to do with the fact that they're both higher-profile and have been in the public's eye longer than, say, an Obama or a Romney.

I'm pretty sure all bets will be off after Obama's wins yesterday. He'll be receiving media scrutiny from all sides because people can no longer argue that he's not a viable threat!

Julie Artz
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