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Oprah Interviews Pregnant Man on Thursday's Show

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Thomas BeatieOn March 26th, 2008, The Advocate published the first person story,
Labor of Love, by Thomas Beatie, which sparked world wide media
interest. Most reports on this story read 'Pregnant Man,' and include
the photo, on the right, from The Advocate. And why shouldn't I follow suite. It is a fascinating image, and 'Pregnant Man' is a
headline which will grab attention. In addition to appearing on Oprah on Thursday, he will also be featured in People magazine.

Why this story has gotten so big in mainstream America, and around the world, is beyond me. I don't really find this story all that shocking. After all, despite his male appearance, since he did not have a hysterectomy as part of his transition, he is still biologically female. And though many claim he is the first transgender man to get pregnant, a post at The Guardian states that a trans man, Matt Rice, gave birth to a son in 1999. In addition, I also found this link Everything a Prospective FTM Parent Would Like to Know, which would lead me to think that many others have already done this, or have serious thought about doing it. So why didn't Matt Rice or any of the others who I speculate have also done this, get the same attention? Perhaps it's the photograph that sparked such interest.

Now I must admit, I am having a little bit of hard time understanding this. I don't mean that I don't understand this in a judgmental sort of a manner, I think if he can and he is willing to do it he should. But I don't understand how someone who felt so strongly compelled that they were male, not female as dictated by genetics, who changed their physical appearance through top surgery and hormone therapy, and who legally changed their sex, would even consider, let alone actually do the most female thing that can be done with their body. It just seems that it would go against his whole identity.

Matt Rice's partner, Patrick Califia told Village Voice magazine

The only people who have gotten upset are a handful of
straight-identified homophobic FTMs [female-to-male transgender people]
online who started calling Matt by his girl name, because real men
don't get pregnant.

The fact that even other transsexuals react
with hostility reveals the levels of unease and prejudice a pregnant
man can face. A common reaction is to wonder how someone can identify
themselves as male and yet embrace pregnancy. -from The Guardian, 'Being a pregnant man? It's incredible'

And Beatie says,

Wanting to have a biological child is
neither a male nor female desire, but a human desire. -from The Advocate, Labor of Love

I guess this just goes to show how strong the drive to have children can be. Reproduction isn't called a biological imperative for nothing.That he would do this thing that I can't understand why he would do now that he identifies as male so he and his wife could have a family, is, I think, quite a testament to love and dedication to having a family.

My not understanding aside, my real question about this whole story is, why he did he go public with this? I haven't found anything stating how or why he decided to publish his story. It seems that this could have been kept relatively private, and likely no one but the hospital staff and the family they see frequently would know. I suspect others have done this and kept it on the down low. It makes me wonder what the backlash will be. And it's sad that I think this way, but it's because there almost always is. I worry how this might set back or change laws regarding legal sex
change. How it will change attitudes towards trangendered individuals. Will it affect their legal ability to marry? Or, thinking a little more selfishly, how it might affect the
debate over gay marriage, and too, gay adoptions and second parent
adoption rights. In The Advocate article, Beatie says,

Our situation
sparks legal, political, and social unknowns. We have only
begun experiencing opposition from people who are upset by

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Jooshy 5 pts

Can health insurance cover this?  Since this man is legally a man, can the cost of childbirth be covered, since it is a only a woman's body that can give birth?  I wonder if their insurance plan will give them a hard time, if they will provide coverage, or refuse to accept that a man can give birth and refuse to pay for an action that is seemingly impossible.  In my family we have a hard time getting a healthcare company to accept us, since my husband is in a wheelchair.  Being paralyzed requires A LOT of healthcare expense, such as wheelchairs and extra tires, equipment to go to the bathroom, shower chairs, I could go on forever but I will spare you.  So the cost of hormones and surgeries has to be pretty expensive for male to female change.  How does that work?  Does anyone know? 

indianmakeupdiva 5 pts

i agree 100%. i think the sensationalization seems to skew perceptions without letting us look and explore the real issues.

sylvia_the_SU 5 pts

My sister and I were talking about the same thing today. A man who has a uterus and a vagina having a baby is quite different from what is suggested by the headlines. I can see the choice may make things moredifficult for him and his wife and child. And I can sympathesize with your concerns about GLBT issues and mainstream America understanding of these issues, and I can see how complex this story is. But the bottom line for me is that I'd hate for him to miss the wonderful experience of having a biological child (if it is an experience he desires and is ready for) because mainstream America is close-minded. That said, I do, absolutely, agree with you that it seems a double standard that he can marry but you can not because he legally changed his sex to male and you did not. I understand his decision was not a choice, but the fact that you are gay is not a choice either. Neither transitioning or being gay warrant discrimination.

no_I_am_zoe 5 pts

It is a very complex issue, and I didn't really want to get into it too deep because I don't think I could do it justice, I'm no expert.  I don't know, I don't think it wil be that hard to explain, but then again I come from a background of being science minded.  Yeah, there are some complexeties, but I think kids can understand a lot more than we give them credit for.

I'm sure many women were hoping this meant their husbands could carry the baby instead.

no_I_am_zoe 5 pts

I too have trouble wrapping my brain around it, but I'm not him so I guess I don't really need to worry about it.  I just think it confuses the arguement about feeling born in the wrong body.  While I understand that he considers himself male, I think most of mainstream america will see him as female.  So really that makes them a legally married lesbian couple, or at least at this point in time.  I guess really my issue isn't with him, but at the way the laws are set up.   

Maybe I'll be surprised and there will be national acceptance, and this will bring about greater accecpance for GLBT people across the country. But I just think that bringing this to national attention, makes gay rights issues more difficult and confusing for the average person.   

Maddy 5 pts

There are some very complex and nuanced issues here regarding gender, identity, roles in a family and shifts across all of those areas. For example, I'd love to read a discussion of what the couple expects when someone says to their child years from now, "Mommies have babies," and their child responds, "My daddy had me." It's a unique situation that deserves some exploration.

Unfortunately, the only headlines I see are the dumbed-down "Pregnant Man!" exclamations. (Which left me disappointed because I thought finally, my husband could carry the next baby and I could watch his ankles swell to sausages.)

Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

Denise, I think you nailed how I feel.  100% - from the not reading any of the other stories about it to the why and everything in between.

Thanks. (And thanks to no I am Zoe for the original post too)

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Denise 9 pts moderator

I must admit that I've pretty much ignored the blog entries, news articles and op-eds about this.  And my gut reaction to the headlines and a quick skim of first paragraphs has been  "huh?"

I also have to admit that while I have a lot of knowledge regarding transgender issues and have known many, many M2Fs, my experience with F2Ms has been limited.

So, based on my knowledge and experience, I've been reading this morning and I think I am still confused

I've never understood Matt Rice and Patrick Califia but sort of chalked it up to really extreme boundary shifting.  Something Patrick has always done.

But now we have Beatie and his wife.  So maybe it's not so unusual for an F2M to maintain the desire to conceive, carry and deliver a child?  Does that mean we can have SRS, hormone therapy and underneath it all still be susceptible to biological urges related to our original, biological gender?  

Or ummm what does this mean?

I cannot imagine any M2F I've known who would willingly stop taking female hormones and allow herself to again produce sperm in order to impregnate anyone.  Am I wrong? Are there any M2Fs out there who would even for one minute consider this (if they haven't had the surgery but are only doing HRT?)

I know many who have had biological children but that tended to happen before they began transition - before they were able to come out and be who they were suppose to be in the first place.  Have there been any who "temporarily changed their minds" in order to "father" a child, biologically, and then started back again on female HRT?

I don't know but it's interesting. 

And it is also confusing.

That confusion troubles me, from a GLBT "rights" sort of perspective.  We still have a world that doesn't come close to understanding what it means to be GLB or T.  This just muddies the understanding.  

Then there's the child to think about.  I see Patrick indicates everyone accepts them and their child - and I'm not going to argue that, because it's probably true, based on where they live, who they are, and the people they know.  But that doesn't mean that if they packed up and moved to middle of nowhere, USA that they wouldn't have the same pretty intense issues to deal with.

It's rough to be a GLBT family on Mainstreet USA.  Matt Rice and Thomas Beatie aren't making it easier.  But, that's not their responsiblity, either.

~Denise
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