Had Surgery in Canada? You May Have Also Had an Unintended Pelvic Exam

The headline screamed at me. It couldn't have been any louder: "Time To End Pelvic Exams Done Without Consent." You mean, pelvic exams without consent happen? Regularly? In Canada?

Yes, it seems they do, according to Andre Picard's article in the Globe and Mail today.

Medical students routinely practice doing internal pelvic examinations while surgery patients are unconscious and without getting specific consent, at least in Canada.

Guidelines in the United States and Britain say specific consent is required but, by contrast, Canadian guidelines state that pelvic examination by trainees is “implicit.”

Implicit. Who knew that it could be such a loaded word in the hands of doctors. Her Bad Mother chafes at the term as well.

Implicit? What part of me undergoing surgery "implies" that I'm okay with having a little unscheduled nether-probage? Is it the fact that I'm unconscious? Doesn't that sound a little bit like the defense of a rapist with a roofie stash?

I've never has surgery in a hospital. I've been put under general anesthesia when I got my wisdom teeth in an oral surgeon's office out, but that's it. But what this means, to me, is that tomorrow I could get appendicitis, have to have surgery and wake up having had a "bonus" pelvic exam, because someone in their infinite brilliance has decided that if I were given the choice to let a medical student give me a pelvic exam, I wouldn't let them. Clearly the best way to go about it is to let them squeeze it in while I'm unconscious and don't know about it. That's an excellent plan! The student gets to practice. And me? Me, I'd just be violated. What does that matter to them? Apparently not much.

Shannon just wants someone to tell her it isn't true.

Do medical schools -- doctors and nurses in the room, anybody involved in this -- truly not see the horrible, disgusting privacy violation here? To be used as a practice dummy without your consent? To have clumsy medical students insert speculums in your vagina and peer around like you're a bunny hill on a ski slope and they're the beginners? To be treated like an object, without even knowing about it?

When I twittered the link to the Globe and Mail article, I asked three questions: Had surgery in Canada? Were you unconscious? Sure you didn't get a pelvic exam, too?

The answers came quick and fast. They were responses of shock.

@katesbookblog - "Totally horrified by that story. I had no idea."

@blitheblather - "Even worse? I've HAD surgery a teaching hospital. Feeling a wee bit sick to my stomach right now"

@Stormsy - "I'm totally freaked out by that news ... "

@Muchmor (the only man to respond) - "that's shocking and should be stamped out -- isn't assault without consent?"

@Canadajane - "This is one of the worst things I have read in a long time and something should be done to stop this evil assault now."

Cupcakecowgrll was the one that pointed me to the Globe and Mail article. On her blog, The Best Laid Plans, she asks what we are all wondering -- how do stop something like this?

We stop it by not being silent about it. We stop it by telling out elected officials we won't stand for this. We stop it by writing to organizations like the Canadian Medical Associate. We stop it by writing hospitals and medical schools. There are over 16 million women in Canada, and we can make a mighty roar.

Contributing Editor Sassymonkey also blogs at Sassymonkey and Sassymonkey Reads.

Comments

I just cannot fathom......

I just cannot fathom......  I hope you roar loudly!

 

We intend to

Very, very loudly.

Contributing Editor Sassymonkey also blogs at Sassymonkey and Sassymonkey Reads.

 

That is Horrifying

I had to be subjected to student pelvic exams when I was in college and had to go to the free clinic for exams and birth control and I complained about THAT.  My God.  Somebody up high needs to understand why this is terrible.

Somer blogs at Merry Wife of Canon as well as Smell My Plate.

 

While I prefer to have a doctor

I'm not against having a student do it as long as someone more senior is supervising. I've always been asked though. I've always had to give consent.

I don't understand how anyone would *not* think this is terrible. It blows my mind.

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it makes me queasy

I am horrified by this, too.

I had a general when I had the mastectomy. The surgery itself was pretty traumatic. The thought that I might have been subjected to a pelvic exam without my consent when I was already being subjected to so much unwanted poking and prodding...well, frankly, I can't bear thinking about it.

 

Laurie

www.notjustaboutcancer.blogspot.com

 

Horrified is a good word for it

And I'm sorry it made you feel queasy.

When I think about, when I think about all the women I know who have had surgery, it makes me angry. Queasy will come when the anger leaves.

Contributing Editor Sassymonkey also blogs at Sassymonkey and Sassymonkey Reads.

 

That is so seriously messed

That is so seriously messed up! I am Canadian and had never heard of this before... but then I also have never had surgery before! I agree that it is something that needs to be stopped... the sooner the better.

 

I don't think any of us had heard of it

Not based on the reactions that I've seen to it.

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Two Things

First-yuck! ick! Canada! Geez.

Second-y'all who get surgeries in teaching hospitals here in the U.S.-Don't think you are exempt-somewhere in that teaching hospital intake paperwork, also implicit permission for students and residents to do all sorts of unrelated things-for the sake of education. If you have an appendectomy and a particularly interesting colon with it, your supervising doc could be having a student or 12 check it out while you spend more time under general anesthesia. Watch what you sign when you are checking into the hospital. If you are too sick to know-be sure your loved one accompanying you knows how you feel about med students and residents fussing with you.

Retro-Food.com

 

Excellent advice

I did see an article about it happening in American teaching hospitals but I couldn't figure out what year it was written in.

Here's the article for those that may be interested: "Students Performing Pelvic Exams Without Consent" from ABC news.

Contributing Editor Sassymonkey also blogs at Sassymonkey and Sassymonkey Reads.

 

*shudders*

I read the second paragraph quote and shuddered, uttered aloud, "God! God!" and started scratching at my arms. Itchy all over.  I just cannot believe this and sadly, I think TW is correct. The same thing probably happens at teaching hospitals here in the USA.

Nordette Adams is a BlogHer CE & you can find her other stuff through Her 411.

 

A physical reaction

I was shaking, though it may have been with rage.

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Argh terrible

I have had exams, and been unconscious ansd alone. I don't feel too good.

I have already submitted to ITS testing unscheduled. My gyno makes every patient pee in a cup since a few months even if you don't go there for that. My ex psychiatrist had students in his office once in a while. That felt weird. And I have had medical students with the doctors at the emergency room, also weird.

Pelvic exams while i'm unconscious ? I'm feeling nauseous.

Terry Elisabeth http://pandabox33.wordpress.com http://bazookah5.wordpress.com

 

I'm kind of used to teaching hospitals

So students being around doesn't bother me too much, in most cases. But it does feel odd, like you are a specimen. I wonder if that is part of the problem, if when you become a patient they stop seeing you as a person.

Contributing Editor Sassymonkey also blogs at Sassymonkey and Sassymonkey Reads.

 

Some more Canadian reactions

Here's a few more reactions:

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Her Bad Mother has posted an open letter

To protest this practice. I urge you to read it and sign it.

We, the undersigned, say stop it.

Contributing Editor Sassymonkey also blogs at Sassymonkey and Sassymonkey Reads.

 

link doesn't work

Here it is:

http://ow.ly/11KEl

Great post, Sassymonkey. Thanks for sharing this info.

Laurie

www.notjustaboutcancer.blogspot.com

 

I fixed the link

Thanks for letting me know and for posted a link that works!

Contributing Editor Sassymonkey also blogs at Sassymonkey and Sassymonkey Reads.

 

That;s horrifying

Sadly, because of this, I can see a brand new ad campaign against Universal HEalth Care in the States.  Stuff like this makes it that much more difficult for those of us who want health care but cannot afford the privitized insurance costs. 

The whole thing makes me angry and sick to my stomach on so many levels. 

Kitten - Krafty Kitten

 

Look what I found

You may have stumbled upon it while searching on the web on this subject. But this is a forum  called premed101.com and students are discussing the article.

I can't help but feel they are condescending.

Terry Elisabeth http://pandabox33.wordpress.com http://bazookah5.wordpress.com

 

thanks for that link

I agree, it is condescending. And so interesting to have a peek into their discussion. Thanks for sharing!

 

Laurie

www.notjustaboutcancer.blogspot.com

 

still horrified

still horrified by this.  surely it can't be ethical to do that?!?

it's got to be stopped really, there's just no two ways about it!

 

by any chance

I was in the middle of writing about a nasty attack on Women's Studies programs in universities I'd just read in a National Post editorial when my daughter sent me this story. 

Maybe my feminist hackles were up but what I wondered is, do they do prostate exams on men when they're unconscious?

Pay attention - there's a story everywhere you go.

 

Thanks for bringing this out in the open

I am absolutely horrified. How can they justify this?  There is something sacred about the trust you put in the medical staff when you under go surgery. You're at your most vunerable and for them to take advantage of that is just reprehensible.

Yes it can happen in hospital in the United States, but like TW said, you have to sign a consent form allowing it. It's hidden in the five hundred other pages you have to sign off on before you have surgery. You can also ask who will be in the operating room during your surgery and whether there will be medical students observing. You have the right to know who is performing your care and refuse any care/ care taker you do not want.

I'll head over to Bad Mothers Club to sign the petition even though I am not Canadian because we are all one people here on Earth and we need to look out for one another. Count me in on the roaring!

 

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