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Is Public Education Socialism or Why Should I Pay For Your Child?

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I double checked my copy of the Constitution from the ACLU and my copy from the Cato Institute. Education is not mentioned. There is no constitutional reason for the federal government to provide education to anybody. It is not in the Amendments either.

Now if you want to get fiddly with it you might make the case that in the preamble that "promote the general welfare" might mean that education is implied but I know how some of you feel about the word "welfare." It is right up their with socialism.

The Case for Not Educating Children With Public Funds

  • Families have traditionally taught and homeschooled their children in faith, reading and work skills. Many families depend on their child’s labor to support the family. The intrusion of the state takes away parental authority.   
  • Businesses would suffer having to pay higher wages for older workers.
  • It is sinful to allow idle hands when there is gainful employment to be had.
  • Providing education becomes a never ending financial drain on citizens, city and state budgets. It is unfair taxation and unconstitutional.
  • Poor children, those in foster care and orphans could become productive members of the society without government support. Sure there were crimes, abuses and fraud but on the whole it works; why change?
  • Everyone agrees, education is a noble and worthwhile goal but why not leave it to the charities – this isn’t a concern of a capitalist society.

Unfortunately I am not making this up. These were the historical reasons given by parents, business leaders and political pontificators at various stages in American history about not providing education to children. There were fights about classical versus practical education. There were compromises on education and child labor. There were riots about a secular Protestant education and a new wave of Irish Catholic immigrants who were not about to step foot in such a school. Is government supported education the right thing to do?

What Is Socialism?

It has been used as an invective, a pejorative and something that no breathing American would seem to tolerate. When I hear a word being used with such frequency I look up the original meaning and bring myself forward.

In one of my dictionaries it is defined as:

State ownership of all or most of the means of production and distribution with control over aspects of social welfare and planning.

Another definition is:

The view that the government should own and control major industries using the dollars earned to provide benefits to citizens.

Now it does strike me funny that very few people have gone over to actual socialists to find out how they define themselves. That is what I did. I visited World Socialism.org and read what they had to say. You can read their definition for yourself.

So When The Government Provides Public Education It is A Socialist Act?

If the city, state or federal government uses taxes to provide educational services that replicate private industry practices and then distributes those services to the population then a case could be made that that is a socialist act.

On the other hand, it could be said that providing education to children is an act of capitalism when citizens invest in the supply of functional, capable future workers who will continue to support the goals of the government and provide businesses and the population with a stability, self-sufficiency population who contribute to the tax base.

A literate population monitors  and participates in the governance of the country. Educated people have a voices that can’t be taken away by surface intimidation.

Did Socialism via Public Schools Destroyed Private Education?

No.  When there were no schools there were no alternatives to schools if you were not wealthy. It was either work or apprentice to learn a trade. This meant a population that was incapable of adjusting to new situations or environments. They were vulnerable to being ripped off, exploited by certain members of the business class and inviting mental stagnation which often led to trouble.

Private schools for the affluent members of the society continue to exists. Faith based schools continue to exist.

There have always been for-profit schools that provided value added instruction. Trade schools are in demand as students look for ways to quickly gain skills to enter the workforce and as a means of continuing their education.

Schools are a reflection of the society. When Brown vs. Board of Education became law many southern parents (and a

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alyssaroyse 5 pts

I'm also a big public school advocate. (went to them, taught in them, have a kid in them.) It seems to me that is should go without saying that an education population generally has a better shot at being able to sustain themselves - and I believe there are statistics that illustrate the relationship between education level and over all cost / benefit to society.

That said, those things are very dry and very one-dimensional. I worry that our definition of success has gotten too rooted in the acquisition of titles, money and things. I worry that we have forgotten that, for centuries, people learned trades and were respected for them. That for many people, being a chef or a house painter or a farmer or....  are all wonderful, fulfilling and successful careers.

I had a conversation a few months ago with one of my daughter's friends who wanted, at the time, to be a photographer when she grew up. She insisted that she needed to go to an ivy-league school to learn this trade. I explained to her the basic cost benefit analysis of an ivy-league education compared to the salary of a photographer and the likelihood that the ivy-league education would help anything in that career. And she just said, "but I have to go to a good college."

I think we've ost sight of the fact that an education should teach kids how to think, how to be themselves as adults, how wo be an engaged part of the world. And that for every person that's different.

It's a complicated subject. We actually just released the September Issue of JUST CAUSE Magazine, and it's pretty much all about education, Back To School Issue. (Link to FREE subscription: http://www.zinio.com/justcause)

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audreyh68 5 pts

Yes, and you are taxed very heavily to maintain the NHS.  11% I believe, on top of already outlandish tax rates, and then throw in the VAT on top of all that which is a stifling 15% right now but will increase to 17.5% on Jan 1st.

I immigrated to the UK in 2003 and am married to a Brit.  Having lived there and experienced the NHS first hand, it was one of the driving reasons I came back to the US and immigrated my husband here.

The US can not afford to do things the way the UK has and is currently running things.   My husband is chomping at the bit to reply to your comment, but out of respect for Gena and to keep things on topic, I'm not going to let him...not in this thread anyhow. 

My bottom line, education is a right.  Our founding fathers knew this.  I don't see it as being socialistic when I'm paying for my own child's education, as my taxes have done so, for several years.

audreyh68 5 pts

Gena,

When I have the time, I'll find the link about not being able to opt your children out of certain classes involving sexual orientation in CA.   And I'm not ready for a fight.  I have no dog in this fight as it were, in CA.  I went to both Private and Public school out there and am better for both.  However back then, my mother had the option of opting me out of certain classes without it affecting my GPA and I know for a fact, in a lot of districts down there, that is not the case.  She's fighting very hard for two families with children who were punished because they were taken out of class on certain days when material their parents objected to was presented in class.

And it IS germane to the discussion because it has to do with what is being PUBLICLY funded in our schools!

In the end Gena, this isn't a fight.  It's a difference of opinion.  And for the time being anyhow, you and I are still allowed to freely express those and frankly, whilst I might not agree with you, I'd take up arms to assure you the right to remain free to express your opinion.

Roxsie 5 pts

Just a small comment, I live in Britain where we take "socialist" education and healthcare as a matter of course. We managed to set up the NHS right after we'd left the second world war, a war we'd been fighting for a lot of time pretty much on our own. We were heavily in debt to the US (in fact we've only just finished paying off our WWII debts) Our infrastructure had been bombed heavily, we did not have enough housing, food was still rationed and in short supply. And yet we managed to afford to create our welfare state where healthcare was, and still is, free on point of demand, a unemployment benefit sceme so that anyone who is looking for work is still able to meet their bills, social housing for those who cannot afford their own home (not as good as it used to be), education for all which is paid for by the government.

If Britain could afford all that while on the verge of bankruptsy and have manage to maintain it for 60 years surely a richer country such as the US should be able to do the same.

Gena Haskett 6 pts

Really, it is not. I'm not disrespecting your point of view. I try very hard not to say things I cannot prove. I can prove you or any other parent has the right and the option to pull your child out of CA Sex Ed classes. This is from the CA Dept. of Education's Frequently Asked Questions about HIV and Sex Ed:

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http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/se/parentnotice.asp

http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/se/faq.asp

15.  Do parents and/or guardians need to be informed if their child is to receive sex education or HIV/STD instruction?

Yes. The law recognizes that while parents and guardians support the teaching of medically accurate, comprehensive sex education in schools, they have the ultimate responsibility for teaching their children about human sexuality; they may choose to withdraw their children from this instruction.

EC sections 51937 and 51938 explain that parents or guardians must be notified (passive consent) by the school at the beginning of the school year about planned comprehensive sexual health education and HIV/AIDS prevention education, be given an opportunity to review materials, and be given the opportunity to request in writing that their child not participate in the instruction.

In addition, to facilitate the collection of data needed by researchers to evaluate the effectiveness of sex education and other teen pregnancy prevention efforts, the law has modified the parental consent procedures governing student assessments. This law permits schools to administer anonymous, voluntary, confidential, age-appropriate surveys or questionnaires in which students are asked about their health risk behavior, including sexual activities and attitudes. Parents must be notified of any planned assessments, be given the opportunity to review the assessments and, in grades seven through twelve, and be given the opportunity to request in writing that their children not participate. Prior to seventh grade, parents must give their active consent in order for their child to participate.

These parental notification and consent policies apply only to sexual health education, HIV/AIDS prevention education, and related assessments.

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Do with it as you will.  I'm kinda sorry I'm telling you this because I do think you ought to hear other ideas and perspectives that you may or may not agree with but you seem so ready to have a fight.

I am not. I believe in the exchange of opinions and points of view.

Gena - Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com )

audreyh68 5 pts

Gena, I will find the link to the ongoing discussion in CA schools about how you can NOT opt your child out of sexual ortientation classes.  They are classes designed to introduce GRADE SCHOOLERS to issues regarding homosexuality, etc.  Second and Third graders who have little, if any, comprehension of intimate human relationships to begin with, are now being taught the subtle intricacies of same-sex relationships.  I live in one of the most liberal states in the union and we don't even "go there."  It boggles the mind that this is NOT left up to the parents.  BOGGLES THE MIND. 

My mom is an attorney down there (CA) and my dad a Sheriff and they are the ones who brought it to my attention.  Having a brother who is in a long-term gay relationship, these sorts of issues get brought up all the time in our family and even he agrees that this sort of education is best left up to parents and not educators, most especially NOT grade-school educators. My mom has represented two families in cases involving not being able to opt children out of certain sex ed classes and as a result, those children were given failing grades because they were not present for more than 65% of those classes.

Where I live, we can not opt our children out of Sex Ed classes, only days when certain things are to be discussed and depending on what exactly that ciriculum is covering, I may or may not remove Gaby from school that day - when the time comes, just as I did with my 19 year old twins and my 16 year old son.  My husband and I want to be the ones, in the context and setting that are appropriate, to teach her about these things and discuss them as a family...the way it should be.  I vehemently oppose my tax money going to some of the material and discussions our children are being spoon fed in the public school system.

Sex ed, as it is taught now, in this country, doesn't work.  The numbers prove it. We have similar age of first sexual intercourse as countries such as the Netherlands and England, yet they have far lower incidences of STD's and teen pregnancy than we do.  Even with that fact shoved under our noses, its still the parents, and not the schools that need to be the ones doing the educating.

Another issue that makes me see red when it comes to public education is the fact that my tax dollars are SUPPOSED to be going towards the education of my children NOT the indoctrination (which I said earlier) of my children.  Another example of this is all of the volunteer programs that are going to be started throughout our public school systems.  Volunteering is a wonderful thing and the impetus for that should be from ones own willingness to help his fellow human beings...not because they risk failing a class/grade because they aren't signed up for a service project.  If you want to draw a parralell between public education and socialism, that right there absolutely smacks of it!  When you force someone into volunteering or service and make it mandatory it takes away from the entire experience.  I wish I  could recall the name of the legislation that passed earlier this year, but in short, this is what it does.  We're paying for this.  If I'm going to pay for this, I damned well better get to vote on it and I didn't get that.  Rest assured I will raise hell if any educator or school administrator tries to tell me that if Gaby doesn't volunteer, she won't pass a class.  I want her to serve her fellow man because it's the RIGHT thing to do, not because someone is telling her she MUST do it, or else! 

We have as of yet to decide whether or not we're going to put Gaby (our youngest who is three) into the public education system or try and swing a private education for her.  If she does go into the public system, you can bet I will be standing there reviewing everything she's learning and being an active particpant in her education and not just sitting on the sidelines.  I want her educated in the issues that matter - and while it's cliche, it still holds a great deal of value...the Three R's.  Those are things that will get her the furthest in life.  Other things regarding morals based issues need to be handed back over to families, where it belongs.

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

Much of the division in this country has come down to who is more American, who it upholding the rights and responsibilities of the founders and who is not as American as the other.

I had the opportunity to pick up both copies of the Constitution at a national library convention. Except for the color of the cover and the information relating specifically to both organizations, the Constitution is the same.

I could have snagged a copy from the Hoover Institute as well. I got the distinct impression I should not approach the table. The ACLU and the Cato Institute welcomed me and there was a pleasant information exchange. I visit both organizations websites from time to time to make sure I understand various points of view.

I suspect that citizens have more items that are in common than those that current separate us. I wanted everyone who so chose to read the post. If seeing the letters ACLU and Cato caused folks to check it out, so much the better.

If I got a few more to read the Constitution, double score.

I can only speak for my local CA school district. There is a form that parents can request to opt their child out of sex education classes. I have seen this form so I'm know that it is very specific; you can opt out of any sex ed class or classes that with a topic you do not want your child exposed to.

This might be a district specific. If you feel that strongly I would suggest, if you have not done so, to contact the district administrative offices or visit the school districts website.

I don't know you so how can I label you as anything? You seem to be concerned about your child's education. There are other parents that wish to opt out for a variety of reasons.

I wish sex education could have been left at home. The fact remains that too many parents slacked on their duty or did not have the ability to talk to their children about sex.

If it was just the coupling maybe we could make the case that parental privacy and instruction should have been maintained.

But sex education is more than coupling, isn't it. Otherwise why did we spend all that money on abstinence only education? Why do we want to prevent teen pregnancies? I could go on but hey, not every parent step up to the duty. The information needs to be transmitted. Totally, from Abstinance to Safety, in my opinion.

You don't have to like it. But you will have to deal with your child being exposed to sexuality outside of your home and school. Prepare them as best you can.

The initial battle about having public education was about indeed about the expansion of government into areas that had not been considered by the Founding Fathers. There were vested interests that did not want to lose profits, child labor or provide services to girl children, the poor, non-white or immigrant classes of students.

There is a continuous struggle to find the proper balance between what citizens want, what is needed and how to preserve and advance the country forward.

Oh yeah, how to pay for it. Because whether you do or don't there will always be a cost.

Gena - Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com )

audreyh68 5 pts

I haven't had time to scan through all of the comments before mine, so forgive me if this has been asked, but why did you feel it was neccessary to mention where you obtained your copy of the Constitution from?  For some reason that statement struck me as a bit unusual and perhaps unneccesary.

My other comment about our public education system in general, and this is my own observation tinged with a very heavy opinion, is that I do not want to pay for the public education system to indoctrinate my children on matters of sexual persuasion, sexual education, etc.  I should be able to opt my own child OUT of those programs yet I am unable to.  As a homeowner who pays some of the highest property taxes in the nation, this irks me to no end. 

I'm willing to step up and make sure (and yes I know, some parents aren't) and teach my children tolerance and teach them about responsible sexual behavior.   It's not the "state's" responsibility to do that.  Furthermore, I know for a fact that in CA you can NOT opt your child out of these programs. 

And before you go and label me as homophobic, I can assure you that's not the case.  The fact is, these are personal matters, that until the last three-four decades or so, have been left to parents to teach and discuss with their children.  And that's the way it should be.  Being someone who believes in marriage equality, I know for a fact there are others who don't support it and don't want their children taught that it's correct for whatever reasons they believe.  It's not my place, as an educator, to override parental guidance. I mean, if I were an educator. However, my opinion stands...I'm not paying for my child, or others to be indoctrinated (and YES, some of what's being taught in PUBLIC school is indeed indoctrination!)...educated, yes.  Anything else?  No.  Parent's need to step up to the plate and guide their children.  Too much has been left to the education system in the last 25 years...issues and ideals that are not the realm of our public educators.

I think calling our society anything remotely socialistic due to the fact that our taxes and levees go towards infrastrcuture creation/maintenance/support, education, etc is misleading at best. 

I think it's also a severe judgement call to infer that parents who aren't homeschooling their children aren't raising them.  To infer that is to go back more than 150 years and accuse generations of parents of the same. 

I just took a few minutes to read a couple of the comments above mine and I think Jen sums up my feelings rather succinctly...

"Public education also needs reform, giving children back to their
families, reducing class sizes so teachers have time to work with each
child, bringing back programs that reach children of various interests."

I only wish I could have articulated my feelings in the same manner.

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LucindaA 5 pts

And I am not opposed to the programs that have been set in place.  I think they are very important.  I'm simply sharing what I have observed. 

Teachers are now required to do so much more.  Report child abuse, drug abuse, depression or suicidal tendencies, etc.  And not on a voluntary level but on the -lose-your-job-if-you-don't-do it level. 

Counseling groups, drug rehab programs, etc. are all being done through the school.  After school programs to keep kids out of trouble because families are not taking care of it.

I'm not questioning the value of these programs.  I'm simply pointing out that they go beyond the scope of education but are required by schools to provide.

SocalMom 5 pts

Thank you for an excellent post - and alas, there are plenty of people who still do not think it is in their interest to pay for public education.

I understand that the point of this post was about education, but someone compared the estimated cost of universal health care to the cost of educating our children, and I feel I need to point out that the $1 trillion figure is a projection over TEN years, not the annual cost. It is still a lot of money -- but one-tenth of what that person was suggesting.

siditty 5 pts

I have been saying to the opponents of healthcare that if they don't believe in "socialism" they shouldn't partake in our public schools, our roads, their local city's waste and water services, their public libraries, police, fire, and a host of other services used.  They also need to attend private colleges and would never even think about community college or a state college or university. My parents for YEARS paid for me and my brother to have a private school education, while continuing to pay taxes for services they don't use.  Me and my husband up until recently have been childless, but we pay a lot in property taxes and a big chunk of that money is allocated to schools. We don't complain, even if we aren't using it, because I want the children in my community to thrive, because in reality, these kids are who are going to be running things when I get older and I want them to be as smart as possible, as they literally control our future.  

The current perception is that the lazy and poor will exploit the "healthcare" if it is socialized, what folks don't realize is that the poor and elderly are already covered by Medicaid and Medicare, it is the middle class and working poor who are without decent insurance.  

In terms of people who feel they put their children in public school to get a bigger house or car, you aren't thinking about the single working parents or the working poor who aren't trying to get a bigger car or house, but rather keep a roof over their head. My mother taught in an inner city school for years, where there were kids who lived in homeless shelters, she had one child whose family lived in  U-Haul truck. It isn't uncommon for a child to come to school for the sole purpose of so they can at least get two decent meals a day, because they might be all they have to eat. In terms of homeschooling, there are many cons to that whole concept as you have your wonderful homeschooling concepts and then you have others that are less than desired.  For example our neighbors homeschool, their mother is homeschooling them to ensure their faith isn't questioned in school.  The woman is  high school drop out and the kids don't like math, so they don't study it.  To me that is alarming.  I'm not saying public education is perfect, but it far exceeds what some homeschoolers are receiving at this point in time. I know homeschoolers with mothers with Master's degrees who do a much better job than our local public schools as well. So I am not saying homeschooling is always bad, it isn't.

In terms of the "three Rs" they are still being taught in schools, but to prepare a child for today's world, that isn't enough.  They need to learn science, they need to learn technology. They need more than the "three Rs" to be prepared for jobs and college.   

We have to wonder why we would fight to protect children's education, but we wouldn't fight to ensure they get proper medical care.   Some families go without health insurance because their jobs don't provide it, or if they do, they can't afford it, so we care the kids can read, but we don't care when they get sick, where is the rationale in that?

For those worried about those getting taxed for making more money, we get taxed pretty heavily in my family, but I realize that the tax rate still is NO WHERE close to the tax rate during the Reagan Administration and I refuse to think that it is horrible that my tax dollars go to help others and myself.   I refuse to think that people are so inclined to be lazy, they will all avoid working hard and further their education to pay taxes. 

I keep hearing this myth about insurance companies not being able to compete across state lines. Insurance companies manage to compete all the time with each other, they just don't choose to.   Insurance companies have to be licensed or authorized to offer insurance in different states, and most are.  CIGNA is available literally everywhere, so is United Healthcare, these companies do not exist in one state, and never have.  The blue crosses of the world, even though they act as separate entities, they work together, trust me, I have inside knowledge of how they work, and I use them for my own insurance.  That is a myth perpetuated to make it seem insurance has been limited to explain why healthcare costs are out of control.   

All in all we need to wonder why we feel the need to comodify human life and let insurance companies control who gets treatment and who doesn't when one falls sick.  We need to determine if we truly are against socialism.

Leighbra 5 pts

I totally understand your passion, but don't understand implying that parents who aren't homeschoooling their children aren't 'raising' them. I know so many super involved parents with children in traditional school settings. I was raising my children just as much before we started homeschooling last year.

I think maybe Gena was also talking about single-parent families not being able to homeschool. It's one thing for a 2 parent house to make the sacrifices to homeschool, but a totally different ball game for a single parent. I've known (online) a couple moms that make it work, but it is not an easy road by any means. One was homeschooling before her husband passed away and wanted to keep things as stable for her children as possible. There's only so much scrimping and saving a family can do with one parent, and both families rely heavily on outside support (including Social Security and state assistance).

Leighbra 5 pts

ECE and ECPrevention is SUCH a valuable resource. Diagnosing things like speech, hearing, vision and nutritional problems as early as possible will literally change the entire course that a child is on educationally.

Across our state line into Oregon, one comminity's combination of migrant/American Indian children that were totally slipping through the cracks was heartbreaking. WIC and a good HeadStart program came in and the change was immediate. The community would still be where it was, without that state funding. You're gonna tell a child that no, you can't have dinner, because that's socialist?

Think of the great things kids could do in kindergarten, if they all showed up with even basic letter/number recognition and had been exposed to hand/eye coordination skills like using scissors or writing their names!

Gena Haskett 6 pts

I think you are on to something about providing a collection of ECE materials for teachers and parents. There are librarians who are doing this but to combine it with your ECE training gives  a different perspective.

And, yes ECE is vital, home based or school based to help children make the most of there learning capacity.

I'll check out NAEYC, thanks for the heads. up.

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TeacherLibrary 5 pts

a good Early Childhood Education is the best prevention program to High School drop outs...

Have you ever heard of NAEYC

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JenPB 5 pts

You're right, Gena, not all families choose to homeschool. EYE certainly never thought it would be something we'd do! And not all families can afford to have one parent home. II was raised by a single father.) We certainly can't but we make it work. Our cars are both more than 10 years old sporting more than 170k miles each. We don't buy new things often, and unlike my double-income friends and family members, we just don't consume as much as others. We make do, a lot. But we're no worse for it.

In trade for my former income, we raise our own children. For families that CAN do this, but CHOOSE not to in favor of sending the kids to preschool at age 2 so one of the parents can have more "me" time, "TV" time or other personal persuits, I say PHOOEY! Didn't we have children so we could raise our OWN families? So I don't understand working in ORDER to afford tuition for pre-schools that do no more for the kids than an involved parent could.

Public schools CAN do a lot and for many children DO provide a lot. But in these days of oddball budget prioritization, I think kids are getting the short shrift.

As for commercialization introduced at home - that's not always the case. But you're right, stick in a video as babysitting and you might as well send your kid to school or to the mall or anywhere else.

I'm just saying, there's more to public school than meets the eye. :)

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

Homeschooling is an option many families cannot afford to participate. Parental income is required to support the family.

There are parents who don't have the skills to teach their children. How many parents proudly proclaim their inability to do basic arithmetic and math? How many of them will tell you they don't like to read?

Pop Culture? I believe that rascal is introduced when parents pop in a Barney video or give a Tickle Me Elmo doll. That introduction usually comes by parents, not by the schools.

I don't understand your remark about the schools "taking away your children."

Public chools do expose children to a variety of experiences; including socialization. Learn to line up. Learn to be quiet in line. How to move from one place to another. How to be safe in certain situations like crossing a street.

We have some common areas of agreement. I do not think public schools is the be-all and don't get me started about the corportization of the school lunch program. 

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JenPB 5 pts

I think it's important to note the multiple roles both public and private, but particularly public, schools play in other aspects of working toward the "good of society." When taxpayers fund education for all, parents are freed up from their previous educational commitments to their children to instead work in a "productive" field. And while the kids are at school, they're being programmed toward mass consumerism, the narrow path through the workaday world, and pop culture that defies logic, reason, or scientifically sound evidence. (No clue what I'm talking about? See school menus, for a start. Does Dominos deliver to your school once a week? How about other unhealthy chains marketed on campus?)

I agree public education is important. Everyone should be given the opportunity and tools to reach their potential. But I don't think public education is the be-all, end-all in its current state. I don't think all, or even the majority, of children are given the opportunity in the current public system to reach their full potential because I believe teachers have too much on their plates with oversized classrooms and a hodge-podge of standard requirements that promote a one-size-fits-all method.

Public education also needs reform, giving children back to their families, reducing class sizes so teachers have time to work with each child, bringing back programs that reach children of various interests.

Jen

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Leighbra 5 pts

Also (I know, shut up already!), I too have questions about some homeschooling techniques. But for me generally, this is a parenting method problem that I'm reacting to. I don't personally have a problem with my kids hanging out with people from all walks of life, but that's me.

I value it, in fact. Last week we were in Seattle while my daughter attended space camp, after dinner one night, a homeless man of a race different from the ones that make up our family stopped us, to ask for change. My 7yo son is very out-going, and wanted to chat his ear off. I let him. We were in a safe place with lots of people around us, and it's important to me that the children learn that people who are in different places in life than us are still people, and still worthy of our respect.

Socialization comes in all forms. The world might be scary, but it's not going away. Social skills are just as necessary as math skills.

It strikes fear into my heart to think of the government making too many laws about what parenting techniques people can employ. It seems like such a slippery slope. For example, there is a debate going on about whether or not it should be considered abuse/neglect if a child is obese. The issue is not crystal clear. Someone might think me making my kids do chores before they get on the Wii is abuse! They sure do!

Gena Haskett 6 pts

I read a educational post from a Puritanical blogger. Yes, there are still people of the Puritan faith and yes, they blog.

It was...different. Not subtle. They did home school.

It was Class-A trippy. I don't think that they get out much. I might have misread but they are very disgusted of the contemporary world and the non-people like them occupants.

Compared to that blogger I'm a shy, bashful woman.

Thanks for reading.

Gena - Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com )

Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

And I apologize in advance for giving short shrift, Gena.

Public education has shouldered more than its fair share of unfunded mandates for decades and I confess that when people don't get why it's in our country's population's interest to have public education, I have to count to ten before I start talking.

That said, what is still so shocking to me as people toss around rhetoric regarding so.many.programs. and ways in which our government - at all levels - fulfills the social contract that goes along with our political foundation (the Constitution and Bill of Rights) as well as legal backbone via case law and code (local, state and federal), is that very fact: we live in this country the way that we do because we agree to, we want to, we see what the alternatives are and we see the benefits.  It's natural that in a place with 310 million people or whatever the number is right now, we have to re-negotiate that contract all the time.  But the word reactionary exists for a reason. I don't know about anyone else, but I like moving forward, not backward and last time I checked, no one had learned how to stop time.

The whole demonizing of the concept of the social contract and all that it entails totally floors me and at times, absolutely offends me.  Being able to make and function w/in it is what makes us separate from many other species.  The minute we declare that we can't do it is the time we revert to who knows what kind of life.

Hope that's not too rambling - I should never comment after 5pm. ;)

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Leighbra 5 pts

Gena, I did not take any offense from your post. You said that you have concerns about the people around you being bone-stupid, in a post about why you feel the state/federal government should fund public education.  I also believe that if we had no public schools, many of the people around us WOULD be bone-stupid. I see the level of parental involvement at some schools, and I know that you are correct, and have little faith that left to their own devices, we would be right back to where we once were, your lot in life looked exactly like your parents'. Daddy was a coal miner? Here's your hard hat.

My reaction was to how one (I know, just one!) person took your post, or at least all that she chose to post about. That is why I replied in-line to her comment, not to your general post. I was so excited to join the general discussion that you have going! This really is a well-written, spot on post.

Gena, I can tell that you took great pains to say what you wanted to say, and not have people infer what they might WANT you to say.

I am a nurse, and carefully kept my beliefs on what's going in health care right now out of this, because I could go on all day! But you came up with a smart, balanced way to hit the people yelling and screaming in "town hall meetings" all over America right in the knee. We can not yell louder than they do, and shouldn't try, dismantling their rally cry is even better. I wish I had thought of it myself.

But like advocating for my patients and health care reform, I feel that I am responsible for advocating for homeschooling now, too. I trust you did not think I meant that ALL public schools pump out full classes of non-readers, or fail to graduate a majority of their students. Obviously that is not the case. Oh, online communication, so fraught with pit holes, you can never predict how a person will read your words.

I'm still volunteering at our public school this year, even though I don't have children attending, because I want strong readers in my community, darn it! Without parental involvement, our schools will not get better. We all have a vested interest in having the next generation properly educated. They'll be running our nursing homes, after all! ;)

Gena Haskett 6 pts

They stopped recording the admistrative costs in 1981.  There is pork in the invisible numbers.

Tell you what. There are legitamite questions about costs. Let me do some snooping and next week I'll try to find reliable verifiable information so that we are not talking in the vapors.

Part of having a discussion is looking for primary resources to evaluate a topic.

Let me get busy on that. I think it would help.

Gena - Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com )

Gena Haskett 6 pts

The path to becoming a "professional" doctor, lawyer, teacher is way more expensive than it has ever been. The private colleges and universities charge a huge amount of money for using their staff, facilities and network of associations that will improve your opportunities for success.

In addition, those same private colleges and universities are tapping into federal money to provide educational financial assistance to help doctors and teachers, for example, to attend schools. They also tap into the graduate base as well.

If you choose to go to a private college or university there is a cost. You know the cost up front and plan according. You either attend, attend part time or you don't go.

I don't know where you live but in California there is the University of California system and the California State University system. The funding comes from the state and the citizens of California.

You know the cost, you have access to assistance if you need it but you have a better shot at getting your degree w/o being 35 years in debt.

There is public education system because there is a need for higher education that should not depend soley upon your ability to destitute yourself to get a degree. There is a recognition that cost should not be the sole determination to access to education.

I assure you there are private colleges and universities functioning in California. Yes, the state system and every other governmental program in California is getting hammered and trimmed. Yet we still have public college and university graduates.

We as Californians have serious decisions to make. But for now the public education option services the citizens of California.

Insurance Open Across State Line?!

I'm going to get in trouble again but let me be blunt. I don't give a rat's ass about the insurance industry. They will be fine.

I don't think for one second that providing open access will do anything but help them lock down treatment options more than they already do.

And why isn't anybody bring up the blankety-blank HMOs that have done equal damage to true health care access and doctor/patient relationships?

My conception of health care has to do with providing medical treatment options; not with protecting an industry that a contributing factor to the problems we are facing today.

You know, I might have to write a post health care. I have a lot to say.  ;-)

Gena - Out On The Stoop

Gena Haskett 6 pts

I'll take responsibility for the words that I type. Could I have put it in a more diplomatic way? Oh God yes. Upon reflection, should I have not type those words?

Well, I would have typed it anyway. I don't want to be a hypocrite. But I will try to be more thoughtful about making those kind of statements and word combination in the future.

Did I mean to offend home school parents? No. I really didn't. Honest I didn't.

But not each and every child that is home schooled is going to be gifted. Just like not each and every kid that goes to a poor school is going to be a dropout.

Let me try again. I have issues with how we educate children, teens and adults. I have issues with trying to impose 18th century education techniques on 21st century kids. Rote tests and fill in the blank education serves no one in this day and age.

I absolutely support your decision to educate your child. You will not find me as a defender of poor public schools. I will defend the good and great teachers that are slugging it out in the heart of the beast. I will also defend those that don't want their kids near the beast.

That doesn't mean that I don't have questions about homescoolers. I do.

I'll try to do better. Thank you for your comment.

Gena - Out On The Stoop

Politically Concerned 5 pts

As an individual in grad school, acquiring debt to increase my knowledge and "up" my earning potential, this is my concern: If we continue to progressively tax those who earn more, then what will be the incentive to achieve "The American Dream"?

The plan is to pay, in part, for universal/public healthcare by substantially increasing the tax percentage for those in higher earning brackets. The trickle-down effect is that it will no longer be worthwhile for individuals to pursue advanced degrees in fields with a higher earning potential, because they will virtually make the same amount (post-taxes) as they would in a lower tax bracket. 

Also, what will the effect be on doctors and healthcare professionals if the government chooses to "standardize" wages like they do for public school teachers? What doctor would stay in practice if they are going to earn less for doing the same job? What will happen if doctors decide to strike unless they get paid more like the teacher's unions do?

I agree that the government plays a role in reforming healthcare. But I do no believe that this should be done through a public option. Instead, barriers that prohibit insurance companies from competing across state lines should be removed. This will increase competition and lower prices for the consumer. Also, premiums for low-risk individuals, such as young people, should be lowered so that these low-risk individuals can join the risk pool, thus lowering premiums for everyone. Many options exist that would help the current system without creating a universal, government-run program. 

Lora B 5 pts

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=66

SO SORRY, I found the above quoted amount on a TN governement website, and I may have read wrong.  Attached is good chart (little older from 2006-2007 year but good chart).  Today cost per child may be closer to $10,000 x 7.5 million = 75 billion.  That's only 7% of the health care reform.   And some suggeste it is double that amount but that would still be 14%.  I'm really trying to do the math wright.  Calculator doesn't go up that high ;-)

View chart:  It cost $393 dallors per child in 1961 (or $2670 in 2006/2007 dallors).  In 2006/2007 cost per child was $9391 or an increase of 350%. If Health care reform is ran the same way, it could may cost 3,500,000,000,000,000 per year in 40 years. I also read it will cost 35 billion per year on 1 trillion interest.   Public school cost 75 billion.  The INTEREST (waste) on healthcare is half of the funding for public schools (value).  Now remember they are pulling funds out of 1 white house budget.  Will public schools suffer to pay for public health???  

Leighbra 5 pts

about public school kids being bone-stupid? Really?

What a hurtful way to say such a thing. How many bone-stupid homeschool kids do you know? How many have you ever met? 

We could talk about drop out rates, and seniors in high school graduating without knowing how to read, or work simple math problems without a calculator.

We could talk about homeschooled kids scoring consistently high on the state tests that they're required to take yearly in many states.

But I'm not going to derail this FANTASTIC thread because I've been (hopefully) unintentionally offended.

I DID want to post about a conversation on this topic that I had just this week. A man whose children are now grown and in the work force was complaining about how he still has to pay for the town's school system. He was getting pretty heated up, in that way that people do when they think you are "just like them" and agree with them. So I asked him if he liked having doctors, and nurses, and police offers that know how to read. If he was happy that our fireman can find an address on a map. How comfortable he would feel if our military was full of men and women with no education.

It scares me to pieces to think about there not being public education in this country (not a reality I see anywhere in the near future, but still) because very very quickly the only people who would be fit to be in politics would be people educated in a private market. The newspapers would sway public opinion daily, like Hearst did with public opinions about minorities. We would go back to following our doctors orders w/o question. And who would be around to advocate for us? Only the people waiting to prey on us further.

That being said, I will be homeschooling both of my children this year. My daughter's been in our local public school since day one. While it hasn't been perfect, we have been supplementing her education at home. But this year on our state tests, the 6th grade class had only a 17% pass rate for math, and 24% pass rate for reading. There is no way that I can't do a better job at home. This is the state standardized test, and the standards are not overly high to "pass." We'll be homeschooling her this year, because their 6th grade teacher, and the school will just be "fitting in" the new 6th graders with the 7th and 8th grades, with no real plan. This is due to budget cuts.

I can't stand to see a wasted year, so much good can happen in a year, and we've seen how valuable a year is to our children, during previous school budget problems.

I'm pretty sure we'll come out of this year better, not bone-stupid. All I have to do is teach my daughter more than 17% of the 6th grade math curriculum, and I'm set. :|

Gena, this was a fantastic post, I'm sorry I got derailed by the comments.

~Eryn

Remember, not all homeschoolers are what you see in your head. We're secular homeschoolers with our eye on the prize - college-educated adults that are viable in the work force, and have the tools to make change. Look up the new trends in homeschooling, you might be surprised at what we're seeing nationally.

Gena Haskett 6 pts

Both types of education are needed and both skill sets need to be respected.

Public schools practically gave this one back to the for-profit schools that charge $5,000+ for a very basic vocational education. The in-demand vocational skill set is $10,000 or more.

Community College/Junior College can deliver similar training for much less but you have to say on top of what the business world needs. That can be expensive.

In California and other states, that investment is probably on hold unless they can work out a shared training agreement with private industry.

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

And if there was a true shake down and audit at many major city school districts you could shake loose a bundle of cash or mis-allocated money.

You find money going to consultants, you'd find computers that were supposed to go to schools sitting in storage and all kinds of stuff.

You think getting health care is hard work? Try floating the idea of nationalizing American schools. A discussion for another time perhaps.

I also know that there are great and wonderful teachers that truly teach and inspire. A teacher saved my life and few of them gave me hope.

So school districts, boards of education and various state secretaries of education. Sigh, I don't have much faith in them. They blow according to the winds of change, often some political gas bag.

But they are required to run schools. In schools you have teachers. That is where the juice really is and the magic can happen.

Gena - Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com )

Gena Haskett 6 pts

I truly understand and respect what you are saying about some school districts. One of my first posts for BlogHer was about how bad my elementary school education experience was and how I just barely made it out of the pits.

God bless public libraries!

I understand the concerns about a governmental option. I've already slip over my own line in my response to a prior comment. I put it to you that if the private marketplace had affordable options we would not be in this situation. They did not, do not and have no inclination to create any.

It has been too long. How long must we wait?

Property taxes funding for services are going to have to be re-evaluated. Because even if were looking at money for schools there is a built-in inequity depending on where you live.

If there are no businesses, employment options or home owners then you can't provide the same level of educational services to that population. What kind of infrastructure do we need to support the former industrial cities and rural areas?

The children still need to be educated. That is non-negotiable.

So part of what needs to be worked out is the question what is fair for an American lifestyle that is honorable to all? What will we collectively (forgive my choice of word) are willing to give up and what we well all support?

Where is the money coming from? You either share resources better, cut services fairly across the board or you find the money.

You are right, more money does not equal better education. But less money assures a crummy education. I stand in living testament to that fact.

How do we move forward? We find the ideas that can become reality.

Gena - Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com )

traceesioux 5 pts

Kinda wish you would have more blatantly applied this argument to healthcare. But, then i've never been one for subtle. 

I too worry about home schooled kids being bone stupid. (I know many of them arn't . . .but I question some.)

Tracee Sioux

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

I would like to know the source of the figure for the cost per child. Because $1,760 seems kind of low to me. Not disputing your figures, but I would like to know the source.

I really don't want to divert into a health care discussion at this point. Having said that here goes:

Seniors already have socialized medicine provided for them. Medicare. It is already an unsustainable plan.

We have hard working adults with and without children who have no resources when it comes to health care. None. People tough it out until folks can't tough it out anymore and then the go to the ER. If it is an accessible public facility they receive treatment. That treatment cost $$$$. You and I pay for that treatment no matter what. That is unsustainable.

When a person gets in a car accident in many major cities you are taken to a public hospital or the nearest private ER. If you are unconscious they don't wait to ask if you have insurance. You are treated. If you do have insurance fine and if you don't the government picks up the tab.
This is not sustainable.

Now you and I would agree that there is serious concern about how are we going to pay for this. I really do have that concern.

You and I might agree that there may be unexplored options and pathways that are equitable for all stakeholders.
But the cost providing health to Americans is already out of control. We need to deal with this.

Education can help. ;-)

Gena - Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com )

Gena Haskett 6 pts

Not all school are the same but there may be a way to help support the common expenses or work out costs by a shared block of schools buying materials.

Interesting...

Gena - Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com )

Politically Concerned 5 pts

I can easily see someone trying to turn this argument about education into an argument for why the government should be in control of the healthcare system. But I agree with the above post. Just because you can ideologically substantiate an idea does not mean that it will be practical to implement. Look at what a nightmare public education has become in Pennsylvania. Property taxes have become so high that the elderly and others who own homes without mortgages can no longer afford to stay in their homes. Education becomes more and more expensive every year, leading to larger and larger budget deficits, while our students test scores are not improving. More money does not always equal better education. So while one may be able to make a strong moral or ideological argument for "healthcare for all", it is not practical for a government already so heavily in debt to foot the bill.

Lora B 5 pts

Cost per child per year (read on line) ~$1760 year x 7.5 million = $151,000,000,000 (1.5 billion).  And I personally pay ~$2000 per year on property tax.  Kids are not going to get dumber and exponentially increase the cost of an education ;-) 

Health care cost 1,000,000,000,000 (1 trillion) divided 200,000,000 = $5000 per person or $20,000 per family of 4!  This could cost each pr more and could get out of control as Americans live longer and get fatter – LOL. 

Our country is dependent on public eaducation (me too and like it), but public healht insurance cost to much and don't want to Americans dependent on unsustainable plan.  

Candelaria Silva 5 pts

Thanks, Gena.  I strongly support public education.  Strongly.  I grew up in a poor neighborhood with a determined mother (and extended family).  The public schools and public libraries educated me.  I loved reading and learning and was able to do so even though most of the schools I attended were substandard in elementary school.  I finally graduated from a public high school that was, at the time, in a mroe affluent suburban community.  In my first public city high school, I was place in the academic track because of my scores on the "track test" we all took in 8th grade that determined what our course of study would be in high school.

Long story short, I shudder when people want to privitize the school.  Compulsory, free public education is part of what has made the US the land of opportunity and distinguished it from many other places.  While we must continue to work to make the public schools better, we must never give up on them.  It is the right of all our children to receive an education! 

Like you, I vote to use my tax dollars for good.  The more educated, healthy and well-fed people we have the better it is for our society.

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Good and plenty!

Lora B 5 pts

I hope I’m not rude by thinking that this article is really saying that if  “public schools” are good shouldn’t “public health” be good to?  

Great example of how the country is DEPENDENT on public schools as a way of life.  I depend on public education so I can work to purchase bigger house and bigger car (not food).   I could afford to stay at home but why, its (somewhat) “free”.  I personally like my public school so not disagreeing with the public school system!!  But do we totally want to be dependent on government for our health.  “Private schools” are only for the elite! If had to pay for “education”, I would quit job and home school. It has transformed the American lifestyle to a dual working family - by our choice to get more stuff.  

Cost per child per year (read on line in TN) ~$1760.  Kids are not going to get dumber and exponentially increase the cost of an education ;-)  Health care cost MUCH more and could get out of control as Americans live longer and get fatter – LOL.  I'm glad to pay my $2000 per year for public education but not willing to pay for health care at an undisclosed amount.  If we become "dependent" on a unsustainable program, we will all be uninsursed.  

Don’t agree with your definition of socialism – that we the people own it all – yeah???? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialis... ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialis... )  Webster’s dictionary states, “GOVERNMENT CONTROLL”.  

TeacherLibrary 5 pts

Investing in children is investing in our country... There are some countries who don't invest in children's education... and they are starving and have very little opportunities.  You have to be smart to wire a house for electricity or plumbing...  In other words... do you enjoy your easy acess to refridgerators, microwaves, and stoves (when they break you call an educated person to fix them right)?  Or do you take them for granted?  With out educating others now you as a person might loose simple everyday privalliages.  I like not having to go in an out house everyday... thank god for smart kids.

TeacherLibrary 5 pts

Teacher Library http://www.teacherlibrary.blogspot.com

I was for the idea of networking schools... so that education is more equal and resorces more available...

Jill@profoundcar 5 pts

 Very well thought out and articulate. We practice in many other socialistic practices in this country that we turn a blind-eye too. In my opinion, its all about having a good balance. Morality should be thrown into that equation as well.

Gena Haskett 6 pts

If the parents cannot or will not feed their children I have no problem seeing my tax dollars go to a school breakfast or lunch provided.

Children cannot learn if they are hungry. The social services aspect as you call it was invoked because children were coming to school hungry, without medical treatment for vision, perception or dental problems or because there were dangerous situations at home.

Now yes, you might say "so sad, too bad but not my problem."
We can't. We tried that in the early part of the 20th century. It didn't work so well.

Do I want parents to take full financial responsibility for their children? Yes, of course.

Do I want the government to take up the slack for each and everything thing a citizen does or might do to themselves? No.

But I do understand that the 3Rs are not the 3Rs anymore.

These children will live in a dramatically different world. We need to step it up to prepare them. Memorization doesn't cut it. Critical thinking, adaptability and creating solutions from new situations will.

If part of that deal is to feed a child before math class then let's get to it. If that means encouraging and helping a child through hard times so be it.

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nowickedwitch 5 pts

But the people do pay for kids education, just not on a national level - on a state level, with the Federal government, through the legislative process, providing assistance to the states and schools in an effort to supplement, not supplant the school is needier areas.

However what this has left us with is a country where, depending on where you live, and the level of state interest, budgetary restrictions and face it corruption at the state level, you may have access to a great public education or a less than acceptable one.

Statistically, though there are exceptions, the areas with the well performing schools are in areas where there is little socioeconomic strife and the worse performing schools are in areas where the socioeconomic situation is shakier. Some state standards are poor.

There is no excuse for this in the United States.

SEMANTIC not withstanding we are already behind the rest of the world education wise, except for the elite few the legacies we will end up with a dynatic system and the don't will me most of the population. Nationalize the system and give us a chance or leave it where it is and our grandchildren will be travaling to China to get their medical treatment in the future.

Gena Haskett 6 pts

There are parents who are excellent home school teachers. And there are some that stink. Same with the schools and school districts.

It was fascinating to read how there is a history of piling a lot of responsibilities on a teacher's duty list but the unwillingness to compensate or recognize the importance of the career.

Benjamin Franklin did not have a easy time trying to set up his school. It was easier to create a library and the post office than was for him to get folks to agree on necessary curriculum. If he couldn't do it you have to wonder how we got as far as we did.

History is good stuff.

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LucindaA 5 pts

I like this post! I liken public education to public roads, libraries, postal service, and other institutions that help build the infrastructure of a community. Without education, we do not "build up" citizens and the community will fall apart. Just like traveling from one place to another is much more difficult without roads, building a community with an illiterate and uneducated populace is difficult.

I have found the issue with public education and "socialism" really comes into play when you start discussing the social services schools are required to provide.  That is where people feel education becomes a socialist entity because it encroaches up moral issues of feeding and nurturing children.  It is no longer about the three R's.  

Kalyn Denny 5 pts

As a former teacher's union president and member of the NEA Board of directors, I was well-practiced in answering the question of why the government should be in the education business. It's really quite simple (and you have answered it very well.) We all benefit when every member of society receives the best possible education. Of course it's up to parents to decide what "best possible" means for each individual child, but in most cases, the public schools can provide a better education than an individual parent teaching at home.

Kalyn Denny
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Gena Haskett 6 pts

I changed the word to exploited because I'm expecting a good dose of hell as it is. Folks is mighty touchy about the word "socialism".

Part of how cities in the U.S. and I suspect around the world compete for companies to build in their cities is the quality of the workforce. If there are other businesses, a strong school system and a literate population then there is a pool of specific talents and skills levels.

Because of the shift from manual to technological labor and because of the Internet that workforce pool has been expanded to countries like th India and English speaking countries. The Pink Collar job export was devastating.

Anyway - no, not talking about automaton kind of training, I mean a full blast well rounded education.

Thank you for reading my post.

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mashadutoit 5 pts

Such an interesting post. I find the idea of schools being " when citizens invest in the supply of functional, capable future workers"kind of chilling.  But that is because of my own history.  In my country we had "bantu education" that was all about educating workers too.  

And I know that is not how you meant that.

I like what you say in your last paragraph -  "We are connected to each other. I’m waiting on that kid that will find
a way to take old tires and transform it into something life affirming
and non-toxic. "

That makes total sense to me.  

By the way, you have a typo.  "prayed upon by certain members of the business class" paints a interesting picture, but you probably meant "preyed upon" :P