
When Pudding Media unveiled its new free VoIP service at the DemoFall 2007 last week the reaction was fast, furious, and not particularly flattering.
Free Speech ain't free...and apparently, now it's really creepy- CK's Blog
All free, at the modest price of your privacy Kristine Lowe's blog
Most loathesome business model: Pudding Media listens in on your calls, delivers ads Pajama Entrepreneur
Pudding Media: Sounds delicious, smells fishy- Dani Sevilla at Marketing Conversation
Pudding Media eavesdrops on internet calls, displays relevant ads- engadget
Today's Terrible Idea: Pudding Media Silicon Alley Insider
There is a different perspective: Pudding Media is really cool technology and takes one -on-one marketing to places relationship marketeers could only dream of 10 years ago.
From Pudding Media's website:
It's Saturday night. You plan to go to a movie with Ashley. But which movie should you see...? Time to call her and decide. You surf to ThePudding.com and call Ashley for free. As soon as you start talking about movies, a list of local movies, complete with reviews and show times appear on the screen. Now, what about dinner? Just talking about where to get dinner, and offers for local restaurants are displayed.
Talk about not having to lift a finger. The software does the heavy lifting. It has an " I Dream of Jeannie" quality to it. Your wish is the software's command.
tgdaily has a video demonstrating how these ads would populate your computer screen during a conversation using pudding media.Some people are going to look at the demonstration and mourn the passing of our rights of privacy.
Others will look at the demonstration and say, "Beam Me Up Scotty!"

Pudding Media's terrible idea is not that far afield from Gmail's "terrible" idea where every time you look at an email in your gmail account the right side bar is filled with text ads that are related to the content of your message.
When Gmail first launched there were those that raised the privacy concerns. Back in 2004, Arik Hesseldahl, writing about Gmail in Forbes minimized those fears.
E-mail is an inherently insecure medium. For the most part messages are sent in the clear, meaning almost no attempt is made to obfuscate the contents of a message from someone with prying eyes. All Internet service providers store e-mail on a server in order to deliver it to you. Technicians with time on their hands and lousy ethics can--if they want--read your mail.
Louise Story covered the Pudding Media launch for The New York Times
“We saw that when people are speaking on the phone, typically they were doing something else,” said Ariel Maislos, chief executive of Pudding Media. “They had a lot of other action, either doodling or surfing or something else like that. So we said, ‘Let’s use that’ and actually present them with things that are relevant to the conversation while it’s happening.”
The company’s model, of course, raises questions about the line between target advertising and violation of privacy. Consumer-brand companies are increasingly trying to use data about people to deliver different ads to them based on their demographics and behavior online.
Pudding Media executives said that scanning the words used in phone calls was not substantially different from what Google does with e-mail.
Bloggers are not so sure.
From CK's blog,
According to the company's CEO "Pudding Media had considered the privacy question carefully. The company is not keeping recordings or logs of the content of any phone calls, he said, so advertisements only relate to current calls, not past ones, and will only arrive during the call itself.
So you bother me DURING my call? When I'm actually trying to have the conversation?
The CEO also thinks that young people, the group his company is focusing on with the call service, "are less concerned with maintaining privacy than older people are."
Whether or not young people want privacy isn't the issue--an arrogant assumption, btw--the issue is that you're a grown-up preying upon them in the name of "targeted advertising."
And that's really creepy.
I've said it oh so many times before, but here goes once more: Marketers, just focus on creating, innovating and maintaining exemplary products, services and experiences. You'll be amazed how your markets will gladly give you their time, money and loyalty without your needing to waste precious ad dollars stalking them.
They might even call you.
Esme Vos, The Pajama Entrepreneur, says there is a difference between software picking up words in your email and software picking up words in a phone conversation.
There’s something very intimate about phone calls and I would be completely freaked out if strangers, even if it were a software bot, were listening in on mine. Of course Pudding’s founders don’t think so, having been in the military intelligence business. Does it help them to have the former chief privacy officer of Microsoft on their advisory board? It depends on whether you think Microsoft is a friend or foe of privacy.
Esme goes on to say that the technology may be either very good or very bad for the sex chat industry.
I can see where it would be quite popular: in the sex chat industry. The caller dials a number via Pudding’s web-based service, sees ads on the side while he or she is chatting — although I think this destroys the pay-per-chat business model of sex chat businesses unless they offer this free version to their customers in exchange for seeing ads on a web browser (and the ads actually make up the lose in revenue).
If my memory serves me correctly (and it doesn't always these days) many many people were creeped out by Google's business model for Gmail which offers "free services in exchange for ads."
That didn't stop millions for signing up and becoming gmail evangelists. It hasn't stopped advertisers signing up to have their ads placed in the right column of my gmail message.
Familiarity breeds acceptance.
Is Pudding Media any greater breach of our privacy than gmail? I don't think so. It's a different breach, but its not a greater breach.
Pudding Media makes us uncomforable because it's another in a long list of in your face reminders of what so many of us have given up so willy nilly to take advantage of emerging technology.
We bank online and while we may hesitate when asked to fill in our social security number online,we do it.
We fill out online health insurance forms asking the most personal of personal health issues .While we may hesitate,ultimately we decide that filling it out on line is a lot more convenient than having to mail the information in.
That's why Pudding Media doesn't feel like such a severe drop down that slippery slope. When it comes to compromising our privacy,we've been sliding for so long that we know there's no way to regain the type of privacy we once had.Pandora's box on this issue was opened a long time ago.
Even if we opted to mail in that form with our social security number we know that it will go into a database that is vulnerable to hackers.
Of all the invasions to our privacy, is Pudding Media that horrific? Not to me. However,if I am in the minority opinion on this and the majority of consumers are creeped out by this new software ,the advertisers will do what they always do when consumers reject a product or person ( Think Don Imus). They will treat it like the plague instead of the second coming.
Elana blogs at
FunnyBusiness-Everything About Business Except the Bottom Line.
Comments
Is it really too late to worry about it?
In terms of email vs. telephone, personally I do see a difference. Confidential information is never smartly sent in email, but I think people have a general sense that information given on the telephone is secure. I certainly don't feel comfortable knowing that someone I call may be using some sort of service that breaches that security, even if just to send advertising. Where's the notification for the caller who has not opted into this service? Will the person on the other end have the opportunity to opt out? Promises that some proprietary software that nobody can examine or audit does not make recordings or cannot be used to make recordings strike me as a tad thin, especially with the history of contempt for the consumer demonstrated by players the telecom industry in general. (Everyone who loves their phone company raise their hand.)
How does this jive with the eavesdropping laws that many states have?
I feel that comparisons with online banking or online shopping doesn't really address the point, imho. Banks have your social security number anyway -- how you transmit it is not a privacy issue, thanks to some pretty decent encryption. But what they do with your information, gained online or not, is a different matter, and that's old news that dates back to the first junk-mail credit card offers. Same with doctors and medical service companies.
As all this information gets aggregated and organized, is there really no cause, no hope, to get some standards through laws or best practices when it comes to our personal privacy?
Many pundits point to how people share info about themselves on Facebook and LinkedIn as proof that people don't care about privacy. But I'd bet a goodly sum that if you ask people whether they'd mind having corporations and/or government track everywhere you go, everywhere you spend money (cash or not), everything you eat, everything you buy, everyone you talk to, everything you read, everything you write, everything you say, and create electronic dossiers on them, most likely would be strongly opposed. Personally it kind of creeps me out.
My feeling is that early adopters may not be all that representative of the general public when it comes to these matters. Geeks may be making more informed decisions, and willing to make those compromises in order to get access to the latest coolest whatever -- and those of us working in information technology may be even more blasé, if not a bit conflicted due to financial and career incentives, about how much private information people should be comfortable giving away.
However, the mainstream will likely just follow the crowd, oblivious until something goes wrong. Is it really just too late to worry about it? Should we all just roll over to the EULAs and "privacy agreements" that few people can even understand? No pushback? Gawd I hope not!
Laura Scott
BlogHer Contributing Editor for Technology & Web
design, snap, blog
PS
I didn't mean to put any words into your mouth, Elana. I'm arguing against what's been passing through my feed reader these past weeks.
Laura Scott
BlogHer Contributing Editor for Technology & Web
design, snap, blog
You didn't put words in my mouth
Thank you for the share! I think your concerns about the "other" person on the line is the most compelling that I've read in all the posts so far. And, I also think it will be very interesting to hear how this technology fits in with eavesdropping laws. I've been working under the assumption that because its voice recognition technology its not technically eavesdropping or if you agree to the service you agree to having the voice recognition software "listen" -- so its not technically eavesdropping . But... I'm really guessing here and hope more educated folks will share their viewpoints.
elana
Blogher Contributing Editor,Business&CareersFunnyBusiness
If a machine "hears" and responds to words,
is it "listening"?
Does technical amnesia exempt the machine from being counted as a listening device? Hmmmm.....
Laura Scott
BlogHer Contributing Editor for Technology & Web
design, snap, blog