A Relationship Wrought With Tension: Younger Boss - Older Employee
by Elana Centor

Looking perplexed and sounding somewhat befuddled, 60- year -old Democratic presidential candidate Bill Richardson asked a profound and particularly generational question at Saturday night's New Hampshire debates. Paraphrasing here, he asked, "When did experience become irrelevant?"

It's a question that more and more boomers are asking as they find themselves in the sometimes ego-challenging situation of having a boss that "is young enough to be their daughter."

The day it happened to me was in 1998. I was 47 years old. I had been working on a retainer relationship with an oh-so-hip production company. My client/boss was 15 years younger. He was fashion forward.Music forward and he had very clear ideas about successful corporate videos. Think MTV.

I got the job because I wasn't a novice. I was an award-winning script writer with over 20 years experience. But in the end it was my experience that tripped me up.

The first several projects went well. Then, I handed in a training video that had a 20 second sound bite. My client/boss went ballistic. "20 second sound bites are old school," he screamed." We don't do sound bites any longer than 9 seconds."

It was at that precise moment that I knew that if my style of video scripting was old-school then I was too old school for that job. Professionally, I wasn't interested in creating a training video where the subject matter expert was limited to 9 seconds of talk time.
The relationship ended shortly after that confrontation because of irreconcilable differences.

But his "old school" message had a profound affect of me. It forced me to question my current client relationships and ask myself the questions, 'Did age matter? Was my experience and expertise a detriment rather than value-added?"

In my case I answered yes and yes. What I discovered is that the people who were most eager to work with me were people of my generation. Thirty -year old marketing managers would rather work with thirty-year old consultants.

Strategically it meant focusing on different kinds of businesses. In my 30s and 40s I was committed to having Fortune 500 clients. My client swere the same age as me. We lunched. We gossiped. We became friends. We were peers. As they entered their 40s and 50s they often left corporate America to do what I was doing --consulting.

Their replacements were in their 30s. Thirty-year-olds don't want to go to lunch or happy hour with a 47 year old consultant. And they certainly don't want to work with a 56 year old. I am older than some of their moms.

Cathy Goodwin, Ph.D., provides career planning to midlife professionals. In her post, Ouch: My boss is half my age...Cathy shares her reactions to a segment on ABC's Good Morning America that featured a 54-year -old woman who couldn't adapt to working for a 29-year-old boss.

These days it's not about time served - it's about technological skills," was the message.Author and Career Specialist Tory Johnson suggested "open communication." Identify your beliefs. Gen Y - workers born 1977-1991 - constitute the largest segment of the work force. These folks, says Johnson, believe authority comes from expertise and accomplishment - not time served.

;"Older workers," Johnson says, believe in the value of "time." But younger workers argue, "If I am a stronger performer, I can leapfrog."

Frankly, I think the issue is more complex. There *is* something to be said for perspective. The challenge comes not just from "resentment," as the program suggested, but from a sense of feeling devalued. After investing so many years, we're hearing, "Who cares what you did?"

It's the corporate version of "So what have you done for me lately?"


As surviving the workday: spirituality at work writes being the young boss to a group of oldies but goodies has its own set of stresses.

Young bosses may experience high anxiety as well: “Will a subordinate with twenty-five years in this business take me seriously?” “How do I overcome resentment?” “How will I authenticate my authority?” “How in the world can I inspire workplace senior citizens to abandon stone-age notions and interface effectively with the technology and culture of today’s information age?”


Lisa Takeucchi Cullen who blogs for TIME Magazine sites an article on the subject from Atlanta Journal Constitution that says,

There are some potential pitfalls ahead. The Randstad survey found that three-quarters of older workers (age 55 and older) said they relate well to younger workers, but only 56 percent of all employees said they relate well to older workers, and 77 percent said younger workers do not seek advice from employees older than 50.

I see this already in my workplace. Over the past year, some of my peers have been promoted into seriously senior positions, leapfrogging over many of their own seniors. I strongly believe in promotions based on merit, and in my view every single one of my peers deserve the new responsibilities. But I've overheard plenty of grumbling from skipped-over longtime staffers. And as I slip from young whippersnapper to mid-career line worker, I do wonder what lies ahead for me in a notoriously ageist industry. How will I feel about being edited by a twentysomething twerp? How will she feel about editing me, a thirtysomething geezer?

Any of you out there with younger bosses? What's that like?


Curmudgeon shared his/her thoughts saying, "Bah. The quality of the ideas and leadership matter, not who is exhibiting them. It's no different working with a boss who is younger than you. Neither brilliance nor idiocy have age restrictions."

Elana blogs about business culture at FunnyBusiness. She is most grateful that she has neither a boss or an employee that needs to be bossed.

Comments

 

I'm a young boss

The fact that I'm anyone's boss is still very, very odd to me and I get weirded out when people call me their boss. And it is occasionally uncomfortable such as the time a new-to-me employee saw my profile picture and asked it if was me or my daughter. I'm one of the youngest in our company period, let along one of the youngest in a management position.

Personally I love that many of my employees have more experience than I do. I know that they don't need me to tell them how to do their jobs and I don't try. Their experience is a real asset to me in more ways than I can count. And my experience with some of the newer tools on the market that we use are an asset to them because they can often go to me instead of having to go to tech support. There's a lot of respect for each other's strengths and we learn from each other.

But sometimes I think I'm lucky because in my field it's not uncommon for someone who once was your boss to work for you at some point. Things jump around a lot like that, not just in our company but for many of our clients as well. There are occasionally issues with that of course, but for the most part it's par for the course. Also, I work from home and my employees work in different parts of the country or in different countries. The age thing isn't really in everyone's face. I'm mostly just a voice on the phone (although I do have a young sounding voice) or words in an email.

And for those younger workers who don't take advice from employees over 50 they are seriously short changing themselves. Personally I've found that neither my way nor the employee's way is the right way. It's usually someplace in the middle that we'd never arrive at without input on both sides.

Sassymonkey and Sassymonkey Reads.

 

I'm a young boss too....

And it's really realy really hard. My initial instinct, and I still think the correct one, was to hire people with more experience running companies than me. Which, in this case, meant hiring men who were at lest 15 - closer to 20 - years older than me.

It has been rewarding, interesting and very painful. Because a lot of times people hold the mistake belief that experience is inherently more important than anything else. And that is often not the case at all. But especially when one is working in new media, in a new business environment in which all the rules are changing.

Change rarely comes from doing the same things in the way they've always been done.

Being the boss is hard when, in addition to making strong decisions - in our case editorial and partnering decisions - we have to also change the minds of our co-workers or spend energy defending decisions that we know instinctively are right for the company. It creates a very hard and often unhealthy dynamic rooted in apparent distrust, but more likely in the silent fear associate with feeling like a fish out of water, or traveling to unknown lands.

Finding that balance can be really hard in day to day meetings of strategy and company design. I hired them because they have experience. The, I assume, wanted to work with me for my vision and energy. Both need to be valued, but that's harder to do, I think, when you come from different worlds and are creating yet another new one.

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Alyssa Royse
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I'll take experience any day

Although I headed my own program, was the youngest person in the office at the nonprofit organization I last worked at. I can't imagine not wanting to work with and learn from someone older than me. The idea horrifies me. In fact, I often wished me boss would push back harder when I suggested a plan of action because I wanted to discuss why it might or might not be a good idea. (Usually he asked me why I decided to do something and then accepted it. Often this turned out to not be the best thing our organization could have done and I wished that he offered me more insight that would have let me change my plans before I learned from my own experience why I should not do something.) Not that everyone I've worked with who is older is brilliant and wise, but there's a lot to be learned from people who've been around a while. And I also am proud that some of my older co-workers learned things from me, too.

Suzanne Reisman, Contributing Editor - Feminism & Gender
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It's the reciprocity that counts

Indeed - I hired wisdom and experience..... The trick - balancing act - is in making sure that BOTH sides are listening..... I suspect (and have experienced) that more "experienced" people sometimes have a hard time listening to the creativity of youth who may want to do something very differently than they have done in the past. Likewise youth in the face of experience... We are stronger together, when we listen to and learn from each other - there's usually a path that is the right one - ans is somewhere in between each side....
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Alyssa Royse
JUST CAUSE
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Am I seeing a trend here?

Either the readers of BlogHer skew younger or the folks who are older aren't interested in this conversation. I find it fascinating that the "younger" bosses are the folks who are sharing their thoughts and approach to working with boomers.

The other thing that is tricky about boss-staff relationships is that regardless of your age, many of us walk around with the attitude that we can do a better job than our bosses. So what might translate to a younger boss is they don't respect me because of my youth, the reality is, they would probably have issues with anyone who has an idea that doesn't align with their owns.

It takes special people to manage -- it is an incredibly tough job. I have done it. I don't think I was particularly good at it and I'm grateful that I don't have to do it anymore!D

elana
Blogher Contributing Editor,Business&CareersFunnyBusiness