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Sarah Palin, America's Next Top Uber-Mom?

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Sarah Palin is a mother. So am I. That's where our similarities end.

Since I'm a pretty progressive Democrat and she's, um, not, there aren't a lot of things we agree on politically. We don't have a lot in common in how our motherhood experiences look, either.

I don't have five kids and I'm not a governor (though, I am a PTA mom, so maybe I'm headed in that direction!). But, more importantly, in the discussion about working mothers in America there's this -- I don't have the support network or work situation that Palin does that has given her the luxury to bring home the caribou bacon and fry it up in a pan. So whether you're a Democrat, a Republican or something else entirely, I have to wonder whether it's fair to hold Sarah Palin up as the latest shining example of working motherhood?

If Palin is the new standard, how will the rest of us mere mortals ever measure up?

I only have one daughter at home, and I find it almost impossible at times to juggle her schedule, household obligations (please don't stop by my house unannounced if you know me!) and, oh yeah, work. Palin is, to say the least, lucky. She has a bevy of family and friends who have taken over for her when she can't take the kids to the office or be home for their school and social obligations.

I don't have that. Zippo. Nada. And there are plenty of working parents who don't either. Nor do they even have decent, affordable child care to try to make the whole crazy puzzle work.

There's a whole host of reasons our personal parenting safety net is non-existent, including the fact that we don't live close to many family members. I suspect there are many families in the same situation -- ones who would give anything if a mom or sister or cousin or aunt lived close by to help out.

So will this uber-mom portrait that has been painted of Palin force the rest of us to don the cape and become super-moms ourselves? At the blog Conversation Starter, Christina Bielaszka-DuVernay comments that whether we can be uber-moms is a function of life circumstances:

Men and women are different, and their parenthood experiences in the early months or years of a child's life are different . As I wrote in a post earlier this year, I was hired when I was eight months' pregnant. Because this hire happened in April and my husband's teaching schedule allowed him to be a full-time parent in the summer months, I returned to my very new job when my first child was only eight weeks old. My company's lactation rooms allowed me to continue breastfeeding, but nothing anyone could do--not my employer, not my spouse--could alleviate the wrenching exhaustion of working an 8-to-6 schedule when night after night, I slept in 2-hour shifts because I was nursing. By my second week back, I was, quite literally, walking into walls.

 

I worry that regardless of what happens to Palin in November, that having her in the spotlight has put an unwanted spin on what successful modern working motherhood looks like. While there's much to admire in the punching-through-the-maternal-wall perspective, if we start to raise the bar on what motherhood should look like, as described by Kathy G. at The G Spot blog:

A prime example is this excellent article by Katherine Marsh in the current New Republic. Marsh analyzes how Palin's image as a [Ayn] Rand-ian superwoman reinforces right wing tropes that government help for working women, such as paid leave and publicly provided child care, is not necessary. "Stop whining -- I did it on my own, and so can you!" is basically the message Palin delivers, where issues of sexism and work/family balance are concerned. But unlike Palin, few of the rest of us are lucky enough to have a well-paying job, a stay-at-home husband and a strong, supportive network of relatives who are happy to pitch in where child care duties are concerned.

I can't do it all on my own without the circle of support that Palin has, but somehow I muddle through with some things, OK many things, inevitably falling through the cracks.

No neat home. Stacks of laundry and paperwork everywhere. Homework that has to be finished, social obligations (not big ones, just little things

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DivineHeather 5 pts

Yes, neoconservative defender number one, Charles Krauthammer, coined the phrase. And while it may not officially be a "doctrine", the "Bush Doctrine" has morphed into phrase that describes George Bush's foreign policy.  It's not a new concept or idea and while Krauthammer initiated the discussion, he inevitably didn't end the discussion - not even with his two cent reply-boast.  The idea that anyone supporting the Iraq War wouldn't have a general idea about what constitutes the "Bush Doctrine" is rather disturbing, even moreso when it is a politician with executive level experience.  She reacted as if she hadn't heard the term ... like ever.  

Since the GOP chose her to "represent" women, how well is she doing?  Representing most of us in the manner that we like?  Nah, not anyone I know.  Shooting bears and wolves from helicopters?  Against abortion even in cases of rape and incest?  Are you kidding me, America?  Refusing to cooperate with investigations (see: Bush Part 2) after claiming that there's nothing to hide?  Reform ... except when it's reforming her own positions, policies, and actions? 

Well, we know this country voted for Bush twice.  Third time the charm?  Or are all the same Bush supporters ready to let go, try something new (Palin is not new!), and get back on track?

It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man. 

-Mencken

forliving 5 pts

What's wrong with this woman? So, lets add everything up--She said she has nothing to hide, she said she would cooperate with investigators now she said no. When Oprah Winfrey had the Cattle men in Texas go after her they took her to court even when she didn't do anything to them. Oprah went to court, and was proven not guilty. This woman is running to become VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and could possible become PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and she doesn't want to cooperate with investigators. Isn't that a sign people that this woman is hiding something from the American people and her supporters must now be taking a more serious look at this woman. Would America want this in the White House?

SCANDAL, AFTER SCANDAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THIS WOMAN IS NOT EVEN ELECTED YET. As much as everyone love the way this woman look, and the fact that she is a "SOCCER MOM".   Sarah Palin is now blaming Barack Obama for pushing the investigation---The man had nothing to do with it. Her former Brother-in-law made the case against her. Fans and Republicans need to get up and SMELL THE ROSES.

This woman is hiding something and I don't trust her nor would I want her as a VICE PRESIDENT OR PRESIDENT

PunditMom 5 pts

... Would a VP Sarah Palin root for the rest of us and use her bully pulpit to advocate for those of us who don't live near family who can help or have the kind of support network she has?

Yes, there are plenty of women who have "sucked it up" and made things work. But in this day of families with two working parents, isn't it time to adjust the way we view work and family and society's obligation to make it work?

If mothers in power don't step in to help other mothers, where will be be in 50 years? Not in a good spot.

wearingobama 5 pts

My mother had the same reaction and has registered to vote for the first time in her life!  And she's a small town mom too.   I don't think Palin is really attracting the small town mothers/women that she'd hoped to.  It takes more than simply being a small town mother.

I blog.  www.wearingobamaeveryday.com ( http://www.wearingobamaeveryday.com )

Just_Margaret 5 pts

And yes, the women who have come before us have had varying levels
of support. But I'm still not rooting for Palin.

And thank you, speaking for myself, I am the best mom I can be given my own
set of circumstances. Now, I'd like to see a woman in power who
represents more than a sliver of our populace. I do not see Palin
as the woman to do that. And I refuse to support a candidate strictly because she is a woman--bridge-building be damned!

~Margaret

Just Margaret ( http://maurhoffbarney.blogspot.com )

Moobeema 5 pts

Be the most excellent Mom you can be given your personal set of circumstances.  And let Palin be the best she can be given her personal set of circumstances!  That's what makes this country GREAT!

The women who have gone before us all had varying levels of support or lack thereof.  And they made great strides in putting us all in a position to help lead and shape our businesses, culture, communities. states, country and world!

Let's all root for each other and focus on building bridges not walls.

Trisha 5 pts

As someone waiting to adopt - the whole 'obsessive-compulsive adoption addiction' phrase is insulting.  And we are not adopting because of a celebrity adopting.  I don't know of any adoptive parents who decided to adopt because a celebrity did.  

I think what is sometimes missed it that just because someone like Palin (not necessarily her, but lots of other people) seem to have it all together with kids, careers, etc. it doesn't mean they do.  Many people are really good at making everthing seem perfect from the outside, but if you are close enough to them you see their life is a mess.  

Not much time left:

50 Days 'Til Change or More of the McSame? ( http://www.ideasforwomen.com/news/change-or-mcsame... )

Change or McSame.com ( http://changeormcsame.com/ )

Just_Margaret 5 pts

I would agree that her support circle shouldn't be "held against
her."  However, noting that she has an extensive one is fair
game.  She does.  I don't.  I should say nothing about
it???   Many women don't have such a network.  What this
means to me is that she can't relate to people like me.  She
can't.  That doesn't mean that all Americans are going to think,
"Oh, all women should be like Palin".  

That's not a 'wedge issue'.  That's a reality
for many more women and children than Palin can understand.  She
is not "everywoman".    I, personally, can't relate to
her choices, her governance, her attitude, or her ethics--both personal
& public.  It means she doesn't represent me.   Nor does she represent the majority of women in our nation...

And yes, btw, I can think of a male politician who's family choices were under scrutiny.  Biden.    

~Margaret

Mamalogues 5 pts

Scouts Honor - well put. 

Re: the "Bush Doctrine," I hope everyone realizes that it isn't an actual doctrine, rather a phrase coined by Charlies Krauthammer when describing the "with us or against us" multi-faceted Bush admin foreign policy. I have to respectfully argue that anyone who thinks she failed in answering that is grasping at straws. 

Using Palin's support circle as a mark against her, whether it's realized or not, is really unfair. Again, when is this ever said of a man's support circle? As a woman raised by a single working mother, I think it's a bit of a reach to assume that half the nation will overlook the majority of exceptions to the "Palin Standard."

Speaking GENERALLY, women should not project their own shortcomings or inability to do as little as OR more than another woman onto another woman. I also would not presume to be so intimate with Palin as to judge what I thought she could handle pre/post-partum. Here is a woman who embodies so many feminist traits - and I don't believe that women can be defined by one or two wedge issues - and yet is being criticized for it because, and let's be frank, she's a conservative. I've read a multitude of liberal pundits who've written that conservative women can't be feminists, women who don't choose their issues a certain way can't be feminists, et al. Honestly, I think it's not only divisive, but utter BS.

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forliving 5 pts

It's amazing how a woman has powerful, generous, kind and wealthy like Oprah Winfrey who have given so much to the people of American and many countries overseas could have people out there saying they will boycot her show and cancel subscription to her magazine because she refuses to give Sarah Palin any air time. This is what I heard on CNN today.

What is happening in America? My Grandmother always use the phrase "DON'T BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU." Why do we turn against the very people who are exemplary in society? Oprah over the years have built houses and take people from the brink of poverty, given people jobs, and God knows countless of other assistance to people in need. Yet, America women now wants her to bow to them and do exactly what they tell her to do. The very people who stand for greatness in America people now say I don't like her because Sarah Palin is God's gift to the earth and we must do all her bidding.

If people have to Boycot THE OPRAH WINFREY SHOW http://www.oprah.com ( http://www.oprah.com/ ) to get Sarah Palin elected then this woman is not elected. She is not worthy of been on Ms. Winfreys Show if you have to fight, beg, borrow, run over everyone and disrespect a woman like Ms. Winfrey to get that woman elected--She is not worthy of been on Television. Its a shame that America would want to create a Backlash against Oprah who has been around for years for woman they barely know little about.

Shame on the women who are organizing this event and they are setting a bad example for other women and children in America and elsewhere. Frankly if Oprah doesn't like the woman she doesn't need to interview her. Sarah Palin need to go on CNN and talk to Wolf Blitz who reach the same amount if not more viewers than Oprah. Wolf Blitz have been trying to get her on the show and will she go no! She's afraid because he will ask her tough questions that she can't answer.

Let her go on CNN they have been asking for her a long time now.

AstronomersWife 5 pts

Yes, thank you. I'm surprised no one else has called this into question.  Sarah Palin just doesn't have her s--- together.  How is it that hundreds of thousands of imperfect mothers manage to work demanding, full-time jobs and keep their sons out of trouble and their daughters from getting pregnant?

It's curious, isn't it, that Hillary Clinton is the one who comes in for all kinds of abuse...and yet, she's the one who's been elected and re-elected to major public office twice, come up with all kinds of incredibly cogent and detailed views on various aspects of foreign and domestic policy and can talk intelligently and with passion about them, never allowed family issues to get in the way of her job--and has apparently raised a perfect daughter.  She must have been doing something right.

(I've always been an Obama supporter, but she still has my admiration, no matter what.)

WhiskeyTango 5 pts

I find it interesting that she is held up as a model of motherhood at all.  Her first two kids have issues...   And, as far as Gov. Palin's judgement goes... I'm sorry, but if your water breaks in Texas, and you fly to Seattle, change planes, fly to Alaska and then drive to the hospital to have the baby you are not making good choices.  You have impaired thinking.  I don't want my government run by someone who thinks like that.  

Mom to Gio 5 pts

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska-wo... ( http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska-wo... )

I think the tide is beginning to turn. With the economic news that will hit everyone tomorrow, and the media finally calling her on her lies, maybe momentum will change.  

Also, let's not forget that McCain has had melanoma and he has a very real chance of it recurring. Let's remind people that he's trying to conceal this.

look at the electoral map, though, it's not as bleak as you think.  Obama is still in this, and McCain is not ahead in electoral votes.  

Keep up the pressure 

forliving 5 pts

I came across this blog http://www.mudflats.wordpress.com ( http://www.mudflats.wordpress.com/ ) today and wanted to hear from both the Obama Supporters and the Palin Supporters about this rally that took place in Alaska that no one in America knew about. Visit the link above and take a look at the video and the pictures it is astouding that CNN and the rest of the media is not showing the true facts. All week they talk about Obama and the lipstick comment when they could have given some air time on the fact that not everyone is for this woman. Now that I see this I don't trust CNN anymore. Basically I will take what they say with a grain of salt. They are bias the media. Anyway, read the article below or visit the site and let me know what you all think.

CNN have not broadcast this on television. The way they make it look is as if everyone is on this woman's side. "Who's side are they on?" Shouldn't the media know about this rally and let people see the negative and the positive? 

Read the complete article here http://www.mudflats.wordpress.comThis ( http://www.mudflats.wordpress.comthis/ ) was the biggest political rally ever, in the history of the state....

Elisa Camahort 5 pts

When a woman is one of the only 8 or 9 Fortune 500 CEOs, I take it personally whether she succeeds or fails, because I know it will lead to much BS discussion of "feminine leadership." And once again she will come to represent for us all. I think it about Nancy Pelosi as speaker of the house too.

I still think any woman or black or really any not necessarily "minority" by definition, but more so "anomaly", is held up as representative in that way. Look at all the women on this site who at various times have talked about how ONE woman boss shaped their opinions of what it's like to have a woman boss...whereas their multiple male bosses get to have distinct, individual levels of how much they sucked or rocked!

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

First, PunditMom, I enjoyed your post. Since being a "working mom" has become the buzz in this campaign, I've been wondering and asked in a recent post ( http://bigsole.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-laughing... ) then why aren't we also discussing how often it sucks to be a working mom in this country when it comes to economic policies and discrimination against working mothers? Your post here answers that question in a way because it tells the truth that Palin is not a typical working mother.

While reading the comments on your post, especially the one that suggested Palin will get in and screw up and folks will be afraid to elect a woman after that, I immediately thought that women who are not black or not women of color may be getting a taste of blackness here. Usually when a black person runs for any office, the concern that the black candidate may not have what it takes (because we know being black in office means extra scrutiny) is an early concern: "Oh, Lord," we pray, "Please don't let him/her be a plant or fool, or a screw up."

Some African-Americans at first were afarid to even consider Barack Obama using that same logic, but once they saw him out on the trail, heard him speak, weighed his position on issues, saw how he was received in Iowa, many changed their minds on the matter of possibly putting a buffoon in the White House. They felt they could trust him not to make a fool of himself and ruin the chances of another person of color one day becoming president.

Even the 2007 Biden comment about Obama being a "clean" candidate ( http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama... ) that some people found offensive may be, when put into perspective, a plus. Obama's perceived by others to be smart and a straight arrow, or as Biden clarified back then when he himself was running for president, he meant Obama is "clean as a whistle, sharp as a tack."

Women don't have the luxury of having that kind of faith in Palin. As I said once, she's carrying more baggage than a slow train to Arkansas. I agree that a more competent Republican female would make me feel a little easier about McCain possibly being elected, but as it stands, I'm more anxious than ever that the McCain ticket winning spells our doom. I said in my post that with opinion polls indicating McCain has a small lead, then perhaps we're already in trouble. Are American voters gullible ( http://bigsole.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-laughing... ), two-dimensional thinkers?

Nordette ( http://blogher.org/blog/nordette ) is a Contributing Editor with BlogHer.com whose personal blog is hosted on another site at this link ( http://bigsole.blogspot.com ). Her most recent BlogHer post at the time of this comment is "Hurricane Season: Peace After Revolution ( http://www.blogher.com/hurricane-season-peace-afte... )."

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miteegirl 5 pts

Republican sister from Pennsylvania just flew in for a visit.  She brought up politics because I was afraid to.  I was typing this in Notepad while she was talking to me (we're watching a movie.)

"I'm voting for Obama/Biden.  I saw Palin's interview with Gibson last night and she sounded like an idiot. I really wanted to like her, but he'l [McCain] will die and she'll become President and why couldn't he have picked a smarter Republican woman?  What a moron."

My side of the family doesn't mince words much. :)

Adorable Girlfriend 5 pts

I have often thought the same thing.  She has the luxury of her other children, husband and aides watching her youngest son  -- as I witnessed during the RNC.  Not to say that there are not other women who have that support, but it is not your "average" mom's experience. 

To that end, it is why I did not say anything about Bristol being pregnant.  My guess is that it happened because nobody was watching what these kids were doing or talking to them about sex.  That is not to say that being a working mom equals being neglectful or that being a working mom is easy or I blame Moms per se when bad stuff happens to kids, but I have to say that I am curious how these kids had the MySpace pages filled with awful things, were having sex, etc. and nobody knew what was going on! 

MommyNamedApril 5 pts

You have so eloquently put into words exactly what I was thinking.  Thank you. 

April

www.AprilsLittleFamily.blogspot.com ( http://www.AprilsLittleFamily.blogspot.com )

Sara Gunderson 5 pts

I can't help but think having two women as VP candidates...

I highly doubt that McCain would have chosin Palin as his running mate if Obama had chosen Clinton as his. I suspect McCain had VP pick for whichever way Obama went.

Sara

Suzanne 5 pts

I don't have kids. I have no plans to raise kids. Yet I realize that the most important resource that a society has is children, and I spent my career working to increase the supply of affordable QUALITY child care, particularly in low income communities. According to the Federal Reserve, high quality child care can yield as much as $17 in future savings for every $1 invested. Yes, a 17:1 return. That is building our human capital while saving us capital capital.

According to the Wall Street Journal ( http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122108699907321179... ), Japan also recognizes the need for affordable quality child care and is seeking ways to provide it for all children in the country, at a cost of an additional $22 billion. Most mothers - here or in Japan - are not supermoms, and not investing in children is a dire mistake that the US will continue to make under McCain, aka Bush Administration, Take 3. Once again the US fails to innovate or meet the needs of its citizens.

Suzanne Reisman ( http://www.blogher.com/member/suzanne-reisman ), Contributing Editor - Feminism & Gender ( http://blogher.org/topic/feminism-gender )
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miteegirl 5 pts

Not just flip flopping on the Bridge to Nowhere :)

When they decided not to build the Bridge to Nowhere, she kept the money for the State of Alaska for other projects.

So, her new decision to NOT build it still cost the taxpayers of the Lower 48 the same amount of millions.

Just_Margaret 5 pts

Maternity leave is for the weak.

You make a good point, zchamu. Another "example" she sets about which I'm not especially excited.

~Margaret

Just Margaret ( http://maurhoffbarney.blogspot.com )

zchamu 5 pts

If you're a real, powerful, strong woman, you don't let little things like the biological imperative of our species to bear and raise children slow you down from your job. Maternity leave is for the weak.

Frightening. 

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Soccer Swim Mom 5 pts

I have a problem with her holding herself out as a reformer, when she has accepted money from oil companies. Here's a link from the Washington Times.

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/sep/01/palin-lo... ( http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/sep/01/palin-lo... )

Also, it seems pretty disingenuous to bill the State of Alaska for a per diem to spend the night in your own house. 

Flip-Flopping on the Bridge to Nowhere?  Some might say that it's just another politician saying whatever they need to say to get elected. And maybe we've just become so used to the lies, we don't notice them anymore.

But if my kid did that, I'd call it LYING. 

And just FYI,  McCain has accepted over 1.5 million from lobbyists.  So when they talk about wanting to reform Washington, I don't believe them.  

Soccer Swim Mom 5 pts

I have a problem with her holding herself out as a reformer, when she has accepted money from oil companies. Here's a link from the Washington Times.

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/sep/01/palin-lo... ( http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/sep/01/palin-lo... )

Also, it seems pretty disingenuous to bill the State of Alaska for a per diem to spend the night in your own house. 

Flip-Flopping on the Bridge to Nowhere?  Some might say that it's just another politician saying whatever they need to say to get elected. And maybe we've just become so used to the lies, we don't notice them anymore.

But if my kid did that, I'd call it LYING. 

And just FYI,  McCain has accepted over 1.5 million from lobbyists.  So when they talk about wanting to reform Washington, I don't believe them.  

Just_Margaret 5 pts

That is for sure, PunditMom.

Palin does have an extensive
staff, a full-time nanny, and a lot of folks to help her do things
(including her job...but I don't wish to digress).  Like you, that
isn't a support network that I personally have access to.  
Being a mother, whether your work is inside or outside the home--and
I've done both--involves a lot of challenges when it's just you and
your nuclear family VS. "the world".   

I have
been very concerned about the example she makes.  Because right
now, the example I'm seeing is that of a very stubborn woman in way
over her head.

~Margaret

Just Margaret ( http://maurhoffbarney.blogspot.com )

Southerngirl 5 pts

"I saw her on ABC last night with Gibson.  It told me all I needed to know.  If she gets in, she'll blow it and women won't ever have a chance at the White House again."

This is the statement that we should be all working to make obselete.  But we know it is true.  Deep in our hearts we know that the first of anything has to be the best.  THe truth is George Bucsh and Richard Nixon aside we would not think twice about another White Man but if Obama screws up as president then it will be years and I mean years before the next African American gets a chance and the same for Palin.  Geraldine was 24 freaking years ago!  Women have not lived that down yet.  But here we go willing to jump in with both feet with another completly unqualified person to push as the first.  Listen it may not be fair but it is the truth. 

Michelle

I blog at http://www.mommycan.blogspot.com/

phdinparenting 5 pts

Yes! I completely agree with this:

I am more concerned about her rigid views of the world, her
unwillingness to take the environment seriously, and a horrifying
stance when it comes to potential conflicts.

Unfortunately, when the conservatives are busy congratulating themselves for choosing such a cool uber-mom as VP candidate, this gets glossed over. 

PhD in Parenting - http://phdinparenting.wordpress.com ( http://phdinparenting.wordpress.com/ )

miteegirl 5 pts

Hah!  As long as you don't tell my uncle, fire away. :)

She's a pistol, my mom is.

Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

You know this story is going to go viral don't you? :)

God bless your mom, and you.  Well and everyone else too of course.

Jill
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miteegirl 5 pts

Ok, I feel better now.

I just talked to my mom.  Lifelong Republican in a Southern swing state.

She was leaning Obama.  She voted for him in the primary.  Then, after Palin was appointed, she decided not to vote.  Then she was inching towards voting McCain-Palin.  I engaged her on the tax question (she was had heard Obama would raise her taxes, but when I explained that it wouldn't happen if she made less than $250K, she was alright with it) but still was leaning towards McCain-Palin because she really, REALLY wants to vote Republican.

She asked me how things were with me today. I told her that she probably didn't want to talk about it with me because it was about politics--we don't see eye-to-eye on politics--and I was frustrated so let's talk about something else.

She said, "Try me."

So, I vented about the American people and their fear of intellect and how McCain has flipflopped on his commitment to make this a more civil election.  And then I stopped, because I know how she votes and I was afraid I went too far.

But she jumped in, "Don't tell my brother.  But I'm voting for Obama."

What???  What happened to change her mind back??!

"I saw her on ABC last night with Gibson.  It told me all I needed to know.  If she gets in, she'll blow it and women won't ever have a chance at the White House again."

Suddenly, my day is looking a lot brighter.

PunditMom 5 pts

The post was not meant to stir up any mother-bashing. My only point was whether, in holding Palin up by the GOP as an example of modern motherhood, whether and how that impacts how society, and especially employers, will view working mothers and whether that will impact what's expected of us in the workplace.

PunditMom 5 pts

I'm certainly not suggesting anyone go easier on Sarah Palin --- I don't think she's qualified and I want to know exactly whey she and others do.

I want someone who really can face down Putin if they are president ... living in a state that's "across" from Russia doesn't count as experience.

DivineHeather 5 pts

The GOP aims to distract everyone's attention to her motherhood experience, which doesn't qualify her to potentally become the President of the United States.  I have no problem with her personal views, as long as those views don't prevent me from living life with my individual rights.  As long as her personal views don't prevent future generations of women from making decisions as they see fit.  If the GOP wants to distance itself from the issues and focus on images, it's because they can't win discussing the issues.  

I am shocked that she was chosen as a VP candidate when she has zero foreign affairs experience.  Her knowledge of global economics should be carefully evaluated, as well.  I have a hard time understanding how anyone fighting for the White House wouldn't be able to discuss the Bush Doctrine, which changed the way in which America conducts its foreign policy.  Wow.  

I won't bash her for being a mother.  She can handle being VP and providing care for her children.  How many vacations did Bush take during his first four years in office?  She can easily match his attendance performance.  I am more concerned about her rigid views of the wold, her unwillingness to take the environment seriously, and a horrifying stance when it comes to potential conflicts.  Judging by her interview, we have the female version of Bush.  

It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man. 

-Mencken

Southerngirl 5 pts

GIBSON: And you didn't say to yourself, "Am I experienced enough? Am I ready? Do I know enough about international affairs? Do I -- will I feel comfortable enough on the national stage to do this?"

PALIN: I didn't hesitate, no.

GIBSON: Didn't that take some hubris?

PALIN: I -- I answered him yes because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can't blink.

So I didn't blink then even when asked to run as his running mate.

GIBSON: But this is not just reforming a government. This is also running a government on the huge international stage in a very dangerous world. When I asked John McCain about your national security credentials, he cited the fact that you have commanded the Alaskan National Guard and that Alaska is close to Russia. Are those sufficient credentials?

Is she serious! 

Michelle

I blog at http://www.mommycan.blogspot.com/

Southerngirl 5 pts

I have often said this of Rice and Hutchingson.  These are smart articulate thoroughly knowledgable women.  If one of these women were on the ticket I would not be so afraid of a McCain win in Nov.  I do not agree with their politics but I would not doubt their ability to lead.  I saw a blog by Jamie Lee Curtis talking about the same thing.  being relatable does not make you qualified to lead.   

Michelle

I blog at http://www.mommycan.blogspot.com/

miteegirl 5 pts

We are insulting Sarah Palin and all women.

We are. We really are.

By telling each other that we should "go easier" on Palin when it comes to questioning her about the issues, by saying that asking tough questions is "disrespectful", we are lowering the bar and admitting that we can NEVER be equal to men.  We can never hope to know as much about foreign policy, international politics or economics as a man.  We shouldn't be expected to know what the "Bush Doctrine" is, what a Vice President does, how legislation is written and passed.

This is unacceptable to me.

A women should be held to the same standards and questions and vetting as any man or else risk looking like a fool when she is required to serve.

I do not want to put ANY woman in the international spotlight who would become the next Dan Quayle late night talk show joke of this generation.

I don't care if she is Democrat, Republican or Martian.  Please, God, make her more knowledgeable about National Security, economics, foreign policy and national legislation than any man. 

I want her knowledge of complexity to be voracious. 
I want her command of language to be absolute. 
I want her to be above hypocrisy and pettiness and snark.
I want her to be gracious, not someone who buys into the politics of hate and nastiness.
I don't care who she is at home.  I don't care if her desk is a mess.  I don't care if she has only 2 kids and eighteen cats and a husband who is a three-armed midget.

I don't want to have a beer with her or go shoe shopping.  

I want her intellect to make me proud of my country and my gender.

THAT is what I want in a female Vice President or President. Not someone who is "just like me".  I want someone who is better than all of us and isn't afraid to be very, VERY smart.  Flat out FREAKING smart.  So smart that she makes people's heads explode iinstead of always pushing the rest of us to be very afraid of the world.

I'm tired of the fear.  I want the something better.  Especially for the first woman to be vice president or president.

Would Sarah Palin be a nice neighbor?  Possibly.  A fine mayor or decent governor of a small state?  No doubt.

But does she raise the bar?  No.  She does not.

PunditMom 5 pts

And, I thought she was going to get up and run from the interview when Gibson asked her about the "Bush doctrine" and had to explain to her it was about offensive war vs. defensive.

On policies and ability, I worry what will happen of McCain/Palin moves into the White House.

PunditMom 5 pts

I wasn't trying to say I want to be her.

This post wasn't about standards we apply to ourselves, but rather one to question how others (read: male employers) will view working mothers now that we have been visited with a GOP uber-mom. Whether we like it or not, our society tries to impose standards of motherhood and mothers have to battle against those expectations. A few women can be super moms, most can't. This isn't about GOP vs. Dems -- it's about how we view motherhood in this country.

And as an adoptive mother, I really object to your characterization of anyone who adopts children, but that's another topic for another day. ( http://punditmom1.blogspot.com )

PunditMom

Soccer Swim Mom 5 pts

I was genuinely worried when I saw how Sarah Palin responded last night to the questions.  She seemed nervous.  It looked like she was trying to "stay on message"

I don't think that she came off as credible, and the names of the leaders didn't roll off her tongue, because it seemed that she just learned them.

It worries me that she thinks that because you might be able to peer across the Bering Sea on a clear day and see land that belongs to Russia, that somehow that prepares you to make life and death decisions for all of our kids in the future and talk to other world leaders.

I'm afraid that she will be unable to deal with world leaders, and may make decisions without thinking or blinking that will have disastrous effects for all of us.

L16 5 pts

Thoughts on Palin's ABC interview last night?  I thought she looked nervous as hell, chest heaving, face and neck red by the end of the interview.  That is the effect of being treated like a puppet and held in captivity for 2 weeks learning.  The woman we saw being interviewed yesterday was not the same woman seen in youtube clips from near the end of her governor race in Alaska.  What has the McCain campaign done to her?  And don't say this is the effect of the media.  No.  People talking about your daughter's pregnancy should not affect your confidence when it comes to real political interviews.  I didn't agree with any of the stuff she said before, but at least she got up and confidently said stuff she believed.  She offered nothing of value on what to do with the Al Qaeda in Pakistan - she seemed to think by focussing efforts in Afghanistan, Al Qaeda would be dealt with, missing the point that they are now in the hills of Pakistan and Pakistan is opposing the States going in there.  Which is why the question on her thoughts on the Bush doctrine - taking preemptive action, was more than appropriate.  Even after the Bush doctrine was defined to her, other than explaining the duty of the president over and over she gave no thoughts on what she thinks should be done with Pakistan.  And, three weeks ago, if you gave her a 60 second run down on the situation she would have been able to respond based on her thoughts.  Now, she is clearly afraid to think independently and critically, and instead racks her brain for safe things to say that won't conflict with the campaign line.

Super mom?  Absolutely.  VP qualfied?  Absolutely not. 

Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

I don't read PunditMom saying much about this issue of judging or living up to her as much as she's saying that we should have a society that not only lauds when this occasion occurs for a parent - man or woman - but a society that, regardless of who is the parent, provides a safety net for when something that a parent (or any caretaker for that matter - which is why we have FMLA) who is juggling a lot so that we can ALL be available to be VP of the USA-level leaders as well as fulfill whatever ambition we have and have potential to get to.

The fact is - the McCain campaign is devoid of such ideas in their policy positions and that is really the fundamental flaw when it comes to working parents.
IMO

Jill
Writes Like She Talks ( http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com )

Scouts Honor 5 pts

I really have to say that I respectfully disagree.  I might be different than you but I feel no compulsion to mimic or replicate someone who holds a political office or someone who is a celebrity.  Just because wealthy Angelina Jolie can pop babies and indulge her obsessive-compulsive adoption addiction doesn't mean I feel the need to do so.  Neither do I feel threaten or cheated because I don't have the same set up as Sarah Palin. 

Honestly, I don't know where this is coming from really.  Were these same concepts applied to Hillary Clinton?  Should a woman feel threatened that you couldn't work on medicial insurance policy in the white house surrounded by secret service with your daughter with millions of dollars in the bank for nannies and real estate?  Should one feel cheated to have her as a role model of a senator because her husband made 10 million in speaking deals and they could afford to send Chelsea off to Stanford?

Really, I am getting a bit upset about this double standard I am hearing from liberal women that it's okay to be a working women and hold office--as long as you are a Democrat.  You should be happy for her that she is surrounded by a supportive family.  Furthermore, would you begrudge a male candidate that had a stay at home spouse and circle of family that helped out?  She is lucky to have such an enlightened spouse.

What it comes down to is everyone's family situation is different and if Palin can make it work, why not?  It shouldn't matter what party she belongs too. In answer to your question, yes, it is fair to hold up Sarah Palin as a shining example of working motherhood.  And just because she is running for VP, does not make her a "standard."  Do you feel you can live up to Hillary's standard if there is such a standard? There should be no standard.  The idea of a standard is what sets women back 50 years. It sets them up for failure.  If there were to be a standard, it should be that you do your best as a wife, mother, employer, employee, colleague, and citizen and you decide which roles are prioritized in your life. No mold.  No expectations.  You choose. That's what I feel is really feminism--making no false standards of what women should be or do.

What bothers me is that Obama
couldn't see past his ego to choose  the most qualified person who
happened to be a women--Hillary--as the rightful and deserving VP
candidate. she should be by his side.   I can't help but think having
two women as VP candidates would have been moving more toward the
change he says out of one side of this mouth whilst choosing a 30 year
MALE senator that is as old school Washington as possible. That, my
friends, sincerely befuddles me. Hillary should be there and she is
not.