Sarah Palin, Feminism, & Double Standards
by amamasblog

It seems everyone has their thoughts and opinions about the first Republican vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, these days, and I am no different.

I was surprised when I heard McCain had picked her, but I was also happy that a woman was now on one of the political party's top ticket.  It didn't matter to me what ticket she was on- as a woman and a mother, I thought it was a step in the right direction.

If you are a regular blog reader of mine, you may remember the post I wrote in May, about how I felt the media in particular, had portrayed Hillary Clinton in a sexist and discriminatory way, simply because she was a woman.  If I thought that was bad for Hillary Clinton, it has just been beyond belief, the attack the media and blogs have launched against Sarah Palin in just over a week. 

This just makes no sense to me whatsoever.  For years feminists like Gloria Steinem, have been advocating for women that they should be able to have a choice.  They shouldn't have to give up careers in order to be mothers.  Women should be considered as equals and they should have the same chances and opportunities as men.  One of Gloria Steinem's quotes I have always liked is, "I've yet to be on a campus where most women weren't worrying about some aspect of combining marriage, children, and a career.  I've yet to find one where many men were worrying about the same thing."

There is a woman in the national spotlight, in the running for one of our country's highest positions, (never mind her politics for a minute) who has combined marriage, children, and a career, and is successful at it.  Instead of feminists like Steinem acknowledging that this is indeed a breakthrough for women, she writes an article for the LA Times (Wrong Woman, Wrong Time) basically saying the only reason Palin was picked by McCain was "to please right-wing ideologues."   Steinem also asserts "that feminism has never been about getting a job for one woman, but making life more fair for women everywhere."  

 If Steinem really believed the above statement, why didn't she make a similar statement about Hillary Clinton?  Hillary Clinton was one woman, as well, running for one job.  How does it make "life more fair for women everywhere" if Clinton were to be elected president, but it would not make "life more fair for women everywhere"  if Palin was elected vice president?

Steinem continues,

"And American women, who suffer more because of having two full-time jobs than from any other single injustice, finally have support on a national stage from male leaders who know that women can't be equal outside the home until men are equal in it.  Barack Obama and Joe Biden are campaigning on their belief that men should be, can be and want to be at home for their children."

Sarah Palin's husband, Todd, is becoming a stay-at-home Dad.  Isn't this what Steinem was hoping for in part when she wrote, "...until there is a support on a national stage from male leaders who know that women can't be equal outside the home until men are equal in it? "

Futhermore, when a male presidential candidate picks a woman for his running mate, it sends a message to women and to men, that he believes his pick is qualified and capable of being an effective vice president.  What many have considered obstacles and reasons why Sarah Palin should not have been picked, McCain saw the very thing Steinem wants- "a male leader(s) who know that women can't be equal outside the home until men are equal in it? "

It seems to me John McCain and the Palin family already figured out, what Steinem wrote about.  Palin's husband Todd, is equal in the home, and will be home with their children.  In my eyes, the support on a national stage for women, that Steinem talks about Obama and Biden needing to bring, is already here.

Why do we need "male leaders"  to bring support to working women, and to help make men equal in the house, when it is already been in place for years?  Not just with McCain, Palin and her husband, but with the thousands and thousands of working families, where the mother works, and the father stays at home.  It seems like a real insult to working mothers, and stay-at-home fathers.  

I can't help but wonder if Steinem would feel this way if Palin wasn't a Republican, but a Democrat?  It makes me wonder if the type of feminism that Steinem has been pushing for, for all these years, has more do with politics than gender?

The most repulsive part of the attacks on Palin have been her character as a mother.  The media and others criticize and judge Palin as a mother. The argument is being vice president would take too much time away from her family, and how could she possibly balance all of that, especially with a pregnant 17-year old daughter, and a special needs infant? 

Why is that any of our business?  Do we question other working parents, who have more than two kids, special needs, or other challenges, or do we assume they will figure it out?  Todd Palin is going to be the stay-at-home parent.  Why do we insist on the parent at home in this case has to be Sarah?  Where has all the talk about fathers being at home gone?  Does this mean that stay-at-home fathers aren't quite as good as stay-at-home mothers?  Isn't this what women and feminists have been fighting for all these years for?  Now that we see this on a national stage, suddenly women with babies and families, shouldn't be at high profile jobs.  They shouldn't be taking on career aspirations. 

The double standard here is amazing.  Barack Obama has been campaigning now for about 18-months, and I have not heard one word, about how he will balance his family life, nor has he been judged on what kind of father he is. 

During the last year and a half, how much time has Obama spent with his girls?  Unlike the Palins, Obama's wife, Michelle, has not announced that she would be a stay-at-home parent, should Obama become president.  That is their private decision to make, and we assume they will figure it out.  Why aren't we granting this courtesy to Palin and her family

If being vice president takes so much time away from family, (even though the father would be at home) wouldn't being president take even more time away from Obama's family (and we don't even know if there will be a stay-at-home parent?)  Yet we don't hear the same "concerns" for Obama's family being discussed.  Don't two young girls need their father around during their formative years?   Why are we so quick to judge a strong woman as a mother, when we don't judge a strong man as a father?  

It is really interesting for me all the issues that have been brought to light by Sarah Palin running for vice president.  It has made me question what "feminism" is all about to begin with.  Is it only OK to advance your career when you have 2.1 kids, but not three or four, or seven? 

Is feminism about advancing women, and breaking through glass ceilings from the board rooms to the White House? Or is it only "politically correct" to break glass ceilings as long as your politics don't fall on the wrong side of those ceilings?

(Orginally posted on A Mama's Blog on 9/8/2008)

Comments

 

One correction

One correction Michelle Obama has resigned from her job.  Yes some of the coverage is sexist but isn't it sexist to hold her back from answering questions and being interveiwed?  Is it not just as sexist not to be able to admit that this woman is not qualified when Carl Rove said Tim Kaine was not qualified becuse he had not been Gov. long enough?  Is it not just as sexit that there is this assumption that all of the investigation is because she is a woman and not because she is an unknown VP canidate?  Is it not just as sexist not to let her campaign on her own? Look I could go on  and on but the majority of the sexim is coming from the ticket she is on.

Michelle

I blog at http://www.mommycan.blogspot.com/

 

One Correction

Thanks for your comment Michelle. Actually Michelle Obama right now is on leave from her University of Chicago hospital job, mainly to help Obama campaign. I am not aware of any reports that have said she has resigned or plans to be a stay at home mother, if Obama wins. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93535521

 Like I said in the post though, that is their decision, and should be respected. I think for all the concern about Palin's children, having her husband be the stay-at-home parent should have been sufficient, but it still seems like it is a concern for some. That was the point- that no one is questioning the status of Obama's child care arrangements, but Palin's are, hence the double standard.

I agree that there ARE double standards in each party. As for the sexism you describe, I think it is more political than sexism from the Republicans. I think they are trying to bring Palin "up-to-speed," and show her the ropes so to speak, before they turn her out on her own. I believe if she were a man in this situation, they would be doing the same thing, no matter what political party the man belonged to. I don’t think it is sexist to have reporters looking into her background. I agree with you, that they are trying to find out who she is.

But when her pregnant daughter is dragged into it, her child care arrangements are brought under scrutiny, and sexist comments are made outright about her, that is sexism that a male candidate would not be subjected to.

Heather
* A Mama's Blog

 

 

Sarah Palin is being scrutinized...

...like everyone else already was.  Please.  Give me a break already.  You are not victims.  There is no righteous indignation that can be claimed.

The Obama's have already had to answer all of the questions about work and time with family and balance and parenthood and child care.

Get over it.  Move on to the issues. 

 

why is it not the same for ALL women,
including repub. women?

THANK you for this wonderful post.  You said exactly what I was thinking, especially regarding Ms Steinem's words.  Of course, you also remained calmer than I was and am when I read and re-read what Ms. Steinem has had to say.

As a Mom and a mom who worked up until both  of my children were born, and went back to work within  3 days of their birth(s), leaving my dear husband to care for the children as I brought home the "bacon", I find what has been said by all supposed feminists absolutely awful.  What would they think of me?  After all, my "chidren" are now 23 and 25, so it's been a long time since I had to have care for them...  I am disgusted by the double-standard Ms Steinem and MANY Obama suporters seemingly hold dear to;  this is the 21st century and I thought that what Sarah Palin is doing would certainly be something that the feminists would be proud to point to for their daughters education of what women CAN do;  I suppose not.  And, I find it disheartening. 

In this election season, we seem to have gone back by decades regarding race and sex and I find it distressing.  Hearing what was said by Gloria Steinem is worse because of her supposed stance when it comes to women,, she is talking out of both sides of her mouth, surely!  Women cannot sit idly by while this sort of thing is proffered.  Women MUST always support other women in their good deeds.

Someone needed to say it;  I am glad you did and that you did so very eloquently!  Good for you.  Thank you, again, for your thoughts;  I enjoyed reading.

Anne

Any woman getting ahead is good for ALL women, regardless of party affiliation!

 

This has never been

You said. During the last year and a half, how much time has Obama spent with his girls?  Unlike the Palins, Obama's wife, Michelle, has not announced that she would be a stay-at-home parent, should Obama become president.  That is their private decision to make, and we assume they will figure it out.

This has never been "private" for the Obamas.  The media hasn't had to grill the Obama's for details of their family life and how they balance work and family because they are so OPEN ABOUT how it works.  Obama went home for long weekends, every weekend, throughout the campaign.  Now that the conventions are over, I don't know if he is still doing that.  But it seems when he was in a contentious race for just the Democratic nomination, that he spent quite a LOT of time with his daughters.

In May 2007, three months after her husband declared his presidential candidacy, she reduced her professional responsibilities by eighty percent to support his presidential campaign. Early in the campaign, she had limited involvement in which she traveled to political events only two days a week and stayed away from home nights only if their daughters could come along. (From LA Times)

So, I believe the work and family issue related to the Obama's HAS been discussed a lot.  Here are just a FEW of the articles related to that (Doesn't include on-camera interviews):

About.com:  Barack and Michelle Obama Marriage Profile

12/24/05:  Q & A with Michelle Obama

including the questions:

  • How has the balance of time worked?
  • How has your life changed?
  • Do you consider yourself--at least sometimes--a single parent?

8/22/07:  It's All About Priorities for Michelle Obama

12/14/07:  Obama Talks about Influence of His Own Father on his Fatherhood

12/27/07:  First Lady in Waiting

2/29/08: Michelle's Struggle

4/29/08: Obama Making Time for Family

6/6/08 Obama's Weekend Off; Date w/ Wife, Hosting Sleepover for 8 Kids

7/8/08: Obama's Family Seen & Heard

7/23/08:  Obama's Daughters

8/10/08:  Obama Family

 

Double Standards

Mitegirl,

I am not sure what you mean when you say "You are not victims." I am not claiming, nor did I say I was a victim.

As a mother and a woman, I find the double standard here very blatant. For the record, I am an Independent, but this is not just a "conservative" issue. Leading academics and even former top aides to Hillary Rodham Clinton agree Sarah Palin has been subject to a sexist double standard by the news media and Democrats (from Politico)
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13129.html

When you say the Obamas have been so open about their family life well, that is their choice. I fail to see why if someone (a man or a woman) decides that they don't want to be that open, why it is any of our business (or the media's) to "grill them" how they are going to work out their child care and family arrangements. Keep in mind too, that Obama has had almost TWO YEARS to divulge whatever information to the public on his family that he wanted to. One of the references you cited went back to 2005- that is almost three years.

Despite the articles that have been out about the Obama family, I still haven't heard the same "concerns" to the same extent from the media regarding if he becomes president will he have enough time for his daughters? Nor have I heard the media questioning if Obama really should take on a demanding job like the president because he has a family. These are concerns that have been expressed in regards to Palin, hence the double standard.

Obviously I can't read every article printed, and can't listen to every interview on TV. Even if someone, somewhere asked him these questions, it has not been to the extent and the intensity that Palin has been subjected to, in a matter of two weeks (not years.)

The barrage of media (including blogs) into Palin's family life started immediately. There were rumors that Palin's new baby, really wasn't hers, but her daughter's. That was when it was made known that Palin's daughter was pregnant. How was that focusing on the issues?

I agree that we should move on to the issues, but when just as recently as Wednesday, Dem. Chief Carol Fowler made another sexist comment when she said "Sarah Palin's top qualification seems to be not having had an abortion," the very people who should be focusing on the issues aren't. They are more concerned if Palin has had an abortion-why is that? (Fowler did apologize later). http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080911/ap_on_el_pr/sc_democrat_palin

This is an ongoing issue. Pretending it isn't happening, or brushing it off won't make it go away. If we refuse to acknowledge it, how can it ever be changed?

 

Yes, Palin will have to

Yes, Palin will have to catch up:

"Keep in mind too, that Obama has had almost TWO YEARS to divulge
whatever information to the public on his family that he wanted to."

Yes, Palin has less than 60 days to offer up everything that Biden, Obama AND McCain have already revealed.  If it seems intense, it is.  We need to know much more about her in order to level the playing field.

Look, have their been inappropriate questions/comments about Palin?  Yup.  I've defended her on other threads.  Daughter's pregnancy?  None of our business.  Until she starts using it in her speeches about her policies and qualifications.  Abortion or no abortion with Trig?  None of our business unless she uses it in her speeches about her policies and qualifications.

Anything that she wants to be kept private, she also needs to keep out of her speeches about her policies and qualifications.  Anything that she brings up?  Can be asked about.  Period.  She has control over this.

Obama has been much more gracious in this than I would be.  He has said--point blank,"Palin's family is off limits."  I believe that anything that she has brought up in her speeches is NOT off limits, but I am not as accomodating as Obama is on this.

My response to you up there, where I listed the articles, was to point out that your assumptions and remarks about the Obama's NOT being asked about their family life and work/life balance were flat out wrong.  Saying something like that, even if you believe it, does not make it true if the facts are otherwise.  So, I would advise you to do a little research before declaring things "to be so" in a debate about politics. Or else risk your credibility.

 

 

Obama gracious regarding Palin? WHAT???

Wow, it has been proven that OBAMA AND HIS TEAM have been behind the smears perpertated against Sarah Palin (and her family).  So you call this gracious?  Wow.  I think it is absolutely abhorrant and Obama has shown NO grace-- at least behind the scenes.   He's been nothing but UGLY there.  And, he has been found out!

from NoQuarter:  http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/23/obama-axelrod-and-smears/

Now, does any of that sound "gracious"?  Just disgusting.

Anne

Any woman getting ahead is good for ALL women, regardless of party affiliation!

 

I think Sarah opened the door herself

My belief is that Sarah Palin opened the door to scrutiny when she described herself as a "hockey mom".  

She very purposefully used that part of her identity to attract voters who have a specific agenda by emphasizing that aspect of herself.  We as Americans have a right to discuss her being a mom.  

 So she can't have it both ways.  If you come out swinging and declaring yourself a mom and a pit bull, then you better be willing to take whatever gets thrown your way.

And, when you trot out the family to show everyone that you've got strong family values.  Oops, then, gasp, when the picture doesn't match the rhetoric and you're you're suddenly shocked, it's laughable.

And, if we want to stay with issues, then her stance on abstinence only sex education becomes more hypocritical when we take a look at the teen pregnancy rates in Alaska, which mirrors the experience in the rest of the country.

 

 

 

This was funny & true

I saw this post from Michael Seitzman

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-seitzman/the-definition-of-sexism_...

Here's a few paragraphs:

"Now, I want to be clear and speak directly to those of you who LOVED that Palin interview. You're an idiot. I mean that. This is not one of those cases where we're going to agree to disagree. This isn't one of those situations where we debate it passionately and then walk away thinking that the other guy is wrong but argued well. I'm not going to think of you as a thoughtful but misguided person with different ideas who still really cares about the country and the world. No, sorry, not this time. This time, if you watched those interview excerpts and weren't scared out of your freakin' mind, then you're mentally ill, mentally disabled, or mentally disturbed. What you are NOT is responsible, informed, curious, thoughtful, mature, educated, empathetic, or remotely serious. I mean it.

But I like to think that anyone can change.

Stop voting for people you want to have a beer with. Stop voting for folksy. Stop voting for people who remind you of your neighbor. Stop voting for the ideologically intransigent, the staggeringly ignorant, and the blazingly incompetent.

Vote for someone smarter than you. Vote for someone who inspires you. Vote for someone who has not only traveled the world but who has also shown a deep understanding and compassion for it.

The stakes are real and they're terrifyingly high. This election matters. It matters. It really matters. Let me say that one more time. This. Really. Matters. "

 

Huffington? Really?

I would quote ANY source other than the Huffington report when emplying any argument against Palin, McCain, or any Republican.  The Huffington site has devolved into a smear-spot against the entire R-Ticket!  So, if you want to argue a point, I'd say use anything BUT Huffington.  Honestly!!

Anne

Any woman getting ahead is good for ALL women, regardless of party affiliation!

 

Seitzman Article

I don't think posting an article from a writer saying that people who liked Palin's interview are idiots and are mentally ill has anything to do with the subject of this post. How is that productive?

In the US, we can vote for whomever we like- if we like someone who is inspiring to us, we are free to vote for them. If we like that someone is intellectual or down-home, we can vote for them. If you want to vote for someone based on their politics, you are free to vote for them.

I don't think trying to tell people how to vote is very productive. People will vote based on the issues that are important to them.

For the record, I think Obama presents himself as a very down-home person. Someone you would want to go have a drink with, and play a game of basketball with. Should I decide not to vote for him now, because of an article?

I was hoping the comments could stay on the subject of the post.

 

She wasn't chosen for qualifications.

Futhermore, when a male presidential candidate picks a woman for his
running mate, it sends a message to women and to men, that he
believes his pick is qualified and capable of being an effective vice
president. 

Unfortunately, in light of the interviews Palin has given over the last 48 hours, if John McCain truly believes that Sarah Palin is qualified and capable of being an effective vice president, then he's already senile.

The sad truth is, Sarah Palin wasn't chosen for her experience or her intelligence or the fact that she is qualified and capable. She was chosen because, and solely because, she is a woman, and he wanted to appeal to the female voter base that he flt was drifting in the wake of Clinton. And if that ain't sexism, I don't know what is. 

 

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ecochick (all that's green, cool and Canadian).

 

Best line I've heard all

Best line I've heard all week in regards to Sarah Palin.  This sums up my feelings exactly:

Is it sexist to want the person flying your plane to be a pilot?

OMG.  That is EXACTLY IT.  (Thank you, Kathleen Reardon.)

I don't even WEAR t-shirts.  But I would wear that one.

 

 

If Sarah is not a pilot, then Alaska is not a
plane.

Sarah has been governing Alaska very well and has accomplished a great deal against great odds in a short time.

It's not the age, it's the mileage.

 

 

Loved it Too!

Kathleen Reardon's quote is one of my favs too.

Because when I saw the Gibson interview, I thought to myself, this person is not going to blink, and she's not going to THINK when it comes time to commit troops or aerial attacks that could not only send her Kid into harms way, but yours and mine too.

I'd like someone who didn't go to 5 colleges in 6 years. Academic rigor?  Not for this person.

Here's the link from the Anchorage Daily News:

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/516085.html 

 

I have a question though for Sarah Palin.  Has she ever been up to Big and Little Diomede Islands and looked across the 2 miles of water to see the Inupiat peoples who are relatives of the ones on American Soil? Doubt it, as it's very foggy there.

 

 

Just food for thought- I

Just food for thought- I noticed Gibson's interview with Palin was heavily and poorly edited. At some points she was barely finished talking, when the sound would cut out, and Gibson would be cutting in with another question. Was she trying to explain her thoughts more, hence the editing? I don't know...it makes me wonder why they did that. No matter who the candidate is, personally I don't judge them on only one interview. Hopefully there will be more, but I understand everyone has the right to decide for themselves. * A Mama's Blog- A Mama's Blog

 

Mark Levin's less-edited transcript of the
Gibson interview

Mark Levin's less-edited transcript of the Gibson interview shows that sometimes a questio was printed, the answer omitted, following question omitted -- then the following answer shown as though it were the answer to the first question.

Many important statements were omitted, giving an opposite impression of Palin's position.

 

Gibson's editing

Yes, the Palin interview WAS heavily and incredulously edited, seemingly to make Gov. Palin seem the idiot, which she is NOT.  I read the entire transcript and I knw that she came off in the televised interview MUCH differently than how the interview (and her answers) went.  It was wrong of CHarlie to do that!  Of course, as far as how the MSM has behaved  this year, it was sadly par for the course.

Sarah Palin is the most popular governor in ANY and ALL of these United States;  why else would John McCain pick her?  Well, there's her obvious strength, for one rationale..  I do not agree with ALL of Sarah Palin's 'feelings' or beliefs, but I do agree with her regarding the way she has done her job and how she has run Alaska.  At least Palin seems to believe in CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.., meaning she does follow it~  Anyone who says differently has not done his or her homework on Sarah Palin.  Of course, that seems to be a huge problem this year;  people believing every little blurb rather than looking it up.

By the way;  yes, I am a woman and I am an INDEPENDENT voter who will be voting McCain and Palin this year!  --Never did think I would vote for the Republican, but I also never thought that Rep would be McCain, a man I truly do respect.

 anne

Any woman getting ahead is good for ALL women, regardless of party affiliation!

 

Blind Devotion

I just keep asking myself how educated, intelligent women can be so focused on the portrait, that they are missing the big picture.  Do you think if Obama had chosen Hilliary Clinton as his running mate, any of us would have ever heard of Sarah Palin?  If you answer yes, then you are kidding only yourself.

A co-worker said to me at the outset of this incredible journey into the unbelievable - "It's sheer genius,"  It was only the morning after the announcement of Palin as running mate and my first impression was disillusionment.  I'd always considered my friend to be more discriminating, a better judge than that.  Well, do I have egg on my face.  She was right.  It is sheer genius from a marketing standpoint - and that's exactly, and all that it is - marketing.

So, all of you women who think Sarah Palin is being discriminated against in the media and the blogs and over the water cooler - Yes, intially there were attacks on her personal choices and her family.  Perhaps because it was so new, nobody understood the stakes yet. I say that not as an excuse, but as an admission of our mistake - and even sexism - in not taking the woman seriously.  Now it is about issues, about qualification and substance.  You who defend Palin are the ones who keep dragging us back into the arena of personal judgement when we keep trying to move away from that.

I am not against women and mothers working in careers that demand their time and attention away from their families.

I am not against husbands/fathers taking on - or over - family responsibilities.

I am not against women having strong opinions and expressing them.

Under the category - Her business not mine ~

I do not care what Sarah Palin's personal reproductive choices are.

I don't care if all of her daughter's become unwed mothers.

I really don't even care if she hires a nanny and hubby fishes, continues to work for BP and races his snowmobile 365 days a year.  That is their business. Period!

If you cannot see that the Republican body is using Sarah Palin in the most sexist way possible, you aren't wearing rose colored glasses, you are wearing blinders.

Talk to me about a woman who disregards her oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, including it's ammendments, because some of those ammendments don't fit her personal agenda (freedom of speech)  Talk to me about a woman who intends to use her power to fire those who don't agree with her personal agendas.  It doesn't matter that she didn't try to ban any books, it doesn't even mantter that her inent in questioning what the librarian would do may have been only out of curiosity, it doesn't matter - no wait - it matters even more - if what she says is true. Her move to have the librarian fired had nothing to do at all with the subject of possible removal of books from the library.  By Palin's own admission it was because the woman didn't support Palin's agenda.  I don't care if the agenda was about books, or if it was some other issue of running the city of  Wasilla - terminating people who hold opinions different from an elected public official is wrong in every way.  It goes against the very grain of our country's founding principals.

Do you really want the second in command of our country - with potential to be the first in command to be so capricious( and I don't care what McCain's age is - Kennedy was a young man when he died.  Any of us could be hit by a bus tomorrow)? Do you want to risk that at some point, she may step foward with a personal dislike of something you are not in agreement with and then you will be at the mercy of her dictatoraial tendencies?

 

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And what about racism?

I find it interesting that in all of this hoopla about Sarah Palin being subject to attacks by a sexist media I hear NOTHING from those same so-called feminists about the RACISM that Obama has to endure and continues to have to suffer through.

 

He has had to answer to question after nauseating question that has to do with his beliefs, his personal life, his past, and his professional life. Funny how Americans had to hear about Rev. Wright forever but Palin has not had to face one question about the extremist, racist views of her own pastor (whose church, she just stopped attending). How racist is it that he has his name mixed with a terrorist, Osama bin Laden? Or that he has two white men marketing waffles that has a picture of him with a turban on his head? Or that a fist tap (also known as the dap) with his wife was conflated with a terrorist fist jab? How about the fact that Sarah Palin called the burden of being black in America “light?” Are you serious?

 

I don’t hear a peep out of you so-called feminists about how Michelle Obama has had her image racked through the coals either. And no, I don’t think anyone should be questioning any woman about her supposed abilities to be a good mother if we aren’t asking the same questions about male politicians abilities to be good fathers. But at the same time you all are shouting with glee that “yes, we have a woman” you have failed to realized that she stands for everything contrary to the general feminist manifesto. And she’s on the same ticket as a man who laughed when a colleague called Hillary Clinton a B*tch and has been caught on tape calling his own wife a c*nt.

 

Please.

 

RACISM? Obama?

HA!  the ONLY racist wording I have heard in this campaign (at ALL) has come from Obama's lips.  HE is the one who tells us not be be scared of his skin color and his
not looking like presidents on the dollar-bill(s).  HE brought this up;  he warns that people will say these things, but I have not heard any one person say this (other than HIM).  Now, out of the mouths of the obama supporters, I have been CALLED RACIST.  WHY?  i WAS called this ONLY because I will not vote for him.  I have children who are of mixed race, and I am the racist???  These people began on this tirade when Obama came out with his statement of race;  Tim Wise then wrote his piece, telling the whole country that "our whiteness is showing".  THAT opened the door for all bama supporters to call ME and anyone who votes against him a racist.  THAT is wrong!!

Really, I have heard NOT ONE PERSON NOTE ANYTHING ABOUT HIS RACE- other than HIM.  SO, if you want to give me just ONE instance where his race was brought up in a negative manner, plese do;  Anything that has come out of the mouth of Obama does NOT count!!

 Anne

Any woman getting ahead is good for ALL women, regardless of party affiliation!

 

I agree that the Obama side

I agree that the Obama side and supporters are the ones using the racism card.

James Carville, on Anderson Cooper, said if Obama doesn't win, things will be "very,very,very, dramatic," hinting at riots. How racist is THAT- implying that blacks will riot if Obama doesn't win. Nothing is said about that being racist, yet when John McCain used the term "that one" in the debate, that was racist.

My grandmother uses that term, and so does my aunt who is 40- they use it when pointing out someone, usually a kid, but never towards an African-American. I never knew that term was racist, and seems like only the Dem.'s are trying to bring racism into the picture, every time they can. I doubt anyone running for the highest office in the land would be so ignorant to label their opponent by a racist term. It is just grasping at straws.

Thanks for your comments, Anne.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/08/james-carville-hints-riots-if-obama-loses

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Riots?

SO, if Carville (who is definitely pro-bama) says there will be riots, it's not racist, but is anyone that's not voting for Obama says the same thing, it is?  Did I get that right?

Yikes!

Thanks for responding to my reply.  I've enjoyed your postings.

Anne

Any woman getting ahead is good for ALL women, regardless of party affiliation!

 

cajones7: Maybe you should

cajones7: Maybe you should write a post here about racism that Obama has had to endure. It would be interesting and shed light on that aspect of this campaign race too.

For what it is worth, I haven't seen a video of McCain calling his calling his wife that name. People like to speculate why McCain didn't answer the question if he ever called his wife that, but I saw it more like he wasn't going to dignify a question like that with a comment. I guess different responses mean different things to different people. As for him calling Hillary a b**ch, this is the first I have heard of that, so I am not in a position to comment on that.

I don't consider myself a traditional feminist, but as I have said before, it bothered me on the sexism and BOTH Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin have been subjected to. Yes, I even wrote a blog post about the sexism Clinton endured back in May; the link to it is in my post.

So I am not trying to take sides here, but with Palin, this is the most common occurrence. Funny, how people can't even open their minds and read what I wrote- everyone is so quick to judge me that I am some conservative victim (I'm an Independent who has always voted Democrat), and throw insults my way, for writing about a problem as I see it in BOTH parties. We can't talk about how to change this, but we can insult and bash.

I was hoping we could have a respectful discussion about this, but it seems like everyone (at least who has replied to this so far) wants to bash and it seems like the comments are off the subject for the most part anyway.

I don't like bashing anyone, regardless of their political party, and it is clear we can't talk about feminism and the double standards facing women in both parties, without bashing going on. So I suppose if people want to continue the bashing that is your right, but I am not going to respond to it anymore.

It's not worth it to me, and it is so unproductive. We don't solve anything this way, and it is clear the posters here are more interested in bashing myself and the politics of the right, even though sexism affects women in both parties.

Heather- A Mama's Blog

 

Perhaps this will further the discussion...

Here is what cajones is referring to: McCain smiling at, not scolding, a woman who referred to Hilary Clinton as a bitch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQGWpRVA7o

The c*nt story predates youtube - it was not on video but in front of three reporters. http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/81588/

Here is Palin laughing during an interview as a shock jock dj questioned Palin's opponent's motherhood and then called her a bitch and a cancer (she's a survivor). 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/palin-laughs-as-opponent_n_1227...

She laughed.

Laughed.

Is that Head of State behavior? Or is that the cackling of an unapologetic mean girl incapable of empathy or diplomacy?

I'm not sure why feminists like Gloria Steinem--or me--should be expected to defend these candidates. The combo of ovaries, a family and a job are not nearly enough to earn my respect let alone my vote.

Mom-101


 

Do your research

 The news media has run the b-word clip enough for anybody who isn't living with theirr head in the sand to see it. 

As for any man that would call his wife the C-word, well, there are no words for that level of disrespect to all women.

 

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Sarah does damage

Steinem also asserts "that feminism has never been about getting a job for one woman, but making life more fair for women everywhere."  

Sarah Palin is on record as endorsing abstinence-only education, which has resulted in an increase in teenage pregnancy and disease in recent years.

Members of her party and her religion are against, not just abortion, but birth control.

Her party is against equal pay for equal work; has recently been working to chip away at Title IX; has a dismal record supporting adequate health care, daycare, and hey, science.

Palin herself has demonstrated limited knowledge of the outside world, and shown that she sees thing through the same narrow lens of end-times Christianity that lends itself to justifying war with religion. She seems to have no concept of the financial sector and its role in the current economic crisis. Her solutions to energy dependence are all destructive. Her claims of work against waste and corruption have been pretty much debunked. She is hardly the model of competent, female, leadership Hillary supporters were looking for, and I fear that Palin's nomination will have serious ramifications for future female candidates. Condoleeza Rice would have been a better choice; she's at least been to Russia.

 

What's the point of having Sarah Palin shatter the glass ceiling if the falling shards cut off the rest of the women toiling beneath her.

 -Lisse

@ Home in the World 

 

Hang on there; that LIE has been debunked..

The ONLY thing Gov. Palin has said about abstinance only is thet she believe it should be able to be brought up , "like in conversation or debate" in sex-ed classes.  THAT is ALL Gov, Palin has to say about it. 

She has never promoted abstinence-only regarding sex-ed.  She does not live in the dark ages and she realises that Sex-Education is an important subject and it should be taught (and IS taught in Alaska, too-- her daughter, Bristol, DID attend these classes in her school). 

Please get your facts straight.  If you would like, go to factcheck.org to find what HAS been debumked.  And, I am talking about ALL of the lies and smears perpetrated BY THE OBAMA CAMP and by Obama, himself, regarding Sarah Palin.  It amazes me how gullible some people are (I am not pointing fingers),  The FACTS are out there, though,  Please investigate!!

Anne\

Any woman getting ahead is good for ALL women, regardless of party affiliation!

 

But wait

 Sarah Palin is pro-contraception. She just doesn't care if they talk abstinence too. 

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-sexed6-2008sep06,0,3119305.story

 

~TW
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