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Scalia: 14th Amendment Doesn't Protect Against Gender Discrimination

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In the January 2011 edition of California Lawyer, United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia explains how the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution does not protect against sex discrimination. Here is what was published, in full:

In 1868, when the 39th Congress was debating and ultimately proposing the 14th Amendment, I don't think anybody would have thought that equal protection applied to sex discrimination, or certainly not to sexual orientation. So does that mean that we've gone off in error by applying the 14th Amendment to both?

Yes, yes. Sorry, to tell you that ... But, you know, if indeed the current society has come to different views, that's fine. You do not need the Constitution to reflect the wishes of the current society. Certainly the Constitution does not require discrimination on the basis of sex. The only issue is whether it prohibits it. It doesn't. Nobody ever thought that that's what it meant. Nobody ever voted for that. If the current society wants to outlaw discrimination by sex, hey we have things called legislatures, and they enact things called laws. You don't need a constitution to keep things up-to-date. All you need is a legislature and a ballot box. You don't like the death penalty anymore, that's fine. You want a right to abortion? There's nothing in the Constitution about that. But that doesn't mean you cannot prohibit it. Persuade your fellow citizens it's a good idea and pass a law. That's what democracy is all about. It's not about nine superannuated judges who have been there too long, imposing these demands on society.

Here's the text of the 14th Amendment and below is the portion in question:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

In the 1971 case, Reed v. Reed, the Court held that the 14th Amendment's equal protections applied to women.

Despite the 30 years of case law now in existence that unwaveringly supports that decision, and for those who know anything about Scalia, his position should not come as a surprise. He's even voiced this very particular opinion before, ironically also in California.

Reax so far has been as we might expect - swift and plenty - except from conservative women*.

From Digby at Hullabaloo, attention to what kind of intellect exactly is Scalia:

Apparently, some folks are genuinely shocked that a Supreme Court justice could so profoundly misread the crystal clear words of the Constitution. I don't see why. Scalia doesn't understand the Declaration of Independence either.

I can't publish Melissa McEwan's blog post title here because she uses a curse word in it to describe Scalia, but here's what else she wrote at Shakespeare's Sister, which follows the focus on intellect:

Scalia isn't a stupid fella. He's just a bigot. A bigot with a lifetime appointment to make decisions about the rights and lives of people against whom he holds deeply entrenched bigotry. In a decent country, there would be outrage about that unambiguous injustice sitting square in the middle of the Supreme Court. But in this country, it barely gets noticed. After all, there's no explicit right to fairness for marginalized people in the Constitution. As Justice Antonin Scalia will happily tell you.

As to legal sufficiency of his argument, from Marcia Greenberger and the National Women's Law Center:

"In these comments, Justice Scalia says if Congress wants to protect laws that prohibit sex discrimination, that's up to them," she said. "But what if they want to pass laws that discriminate? Then he says that there's nothing the court will do to protect women from government-sanctioned discrimination against them. And that's a pretty shocking position to take in 2011. It's especially shocking in light of the decades of precedents and the numbers of justices who have agreed that there is protection in the 14th Amendment

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Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

Yeah - you know - a galvinizing force - yin and yang - guess we really need that somehow.

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Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

In some ways, he makes it so easy - it's almost provocative just to be, you know?

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kbojar 5 pts

Great post, Jill!
Scalia has done a real service for feminists who are trying to reignite the struggle for the ERA.

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CareerDiva 5 pts

This is one of the most thoughtful posts I've read on the Scalia 14th-amendment brouhaha. Thanks Jill.

Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

Well, she said smiling, as someone who went through law school and learning how to answer things from any point of view just to pass the bar, I do understand the argument Scalia is making - I just think it's the wrong interpretation to be making and applying if someone truly wants to be following the wishes for this country now and in the future.

Again, reading the history of how the 14th came into being does shed light on the fact that they debated language specific to this issue of women, blacks and the meaning of "all."

I mean - we joke about what is the meaning of the word "Sex" re: Clinton and Lewinski. But even the word "all" can be debated, in a legal context, right!?

It's kind of silly but it's true and at times, it does really matter.

So - this is actually a really good little side lesson as we watch the new congress unfold - writing legislation is a very, very specific skill that's very closely related to legal terms of art and legal interpretation. The whole concept of whether you enumerate or don't enumerate, and what's that do to the things you don't enumerate, if you do choose to enumerate...

Anyway - another topic for another day!

Sadly, it does kind of point to just how hard it can be to strip the politics out of selecting justices.

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Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

I can't change your perception that the comment I included about not being able to find much commentary by any conservative women writers/pundits was an insult and/or over-arching - I can promise you that I wrote and re-wrote many times how I was going to present that fact in this post! It is NOT intended (and I don't perceive it as) an insult - frankly, I was extremely frustrated to not find a thing - not even something saying, I read what he wrote, I think he's right, let the states decide whether women are a protected class or not. But I found nothing - instead, someone else has posted the West Wing clip that did a great job highlighting the right of center's position for a very long time about how to prevent discrimination against women in all kinds of settings: the 14th amendment.

So - if you come across anything, please do feel free to post it to the comments. I didn't speculate on why there's such an absence of voice from women conservatives on this simply because - I have no idea.

Just to check again - here's a fascinating post in support of Scalia, it's from an ERA-supporters group:

http://passerausa.blogspot.com/2011/01/era-clears-... ( http://passerausa.blogspot.com/2011/01/era-clears-... )

I've even searched on Townhall and by specific well-known conservative female pundits names and have come up with nothing. I grant that my list is probably not the end all be all but again - that's what I love about blogging. Those who know can correct this by adding the links in comments!

Thanks again for weighing in.

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theoutcast 5 pts

This shows how flawed our highest representatives and the powerful really are.

This part of his quote jumped out at me:
"You don't need a constitution to keep things up-to-date."

What about all of the amendments that clearly demonstrate that the constitution is a living document?

He is saying that we should only be allowed to maintain our freedoms by struggling with a corrupt, inefficent legislature that is constantly changing and working to benefit only those the greatest wealth?

How very troubling he would see this as a wise way to 'secure the Blessings of Liberty'.

Thanks for writing this exellent, informative article, Jill.

Heather blogs about Motherhood & Other Offensive Situations at http://www.ultimateoutcasts.com.

rachelshae 5 pts

This comment of Scalia's actually enraged me. Then I found this commentary on it, and was angered even more at what I perceived as an insult and over-arching statement against conservative women in pointing out that there were few commentaries from the conservative side. Then I came to my senses, and realized it actually just affirms why I dislike and distrust party lines.
If conservative women are ignoring this because the comment was made by a "conservative," that's just plain wrong. A person's political affiliation should not dictate the blind acceptance by the "side" they claim to be on. And this goes for conservatives and liberals--we're all guilty.
Scalia was way out of line here, but it's not the first time.
Too bad his position is so secure, and his view is so narrow.

Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

Really great back and forth she has going there. It's just such an affront - I don't get how he wants to say the Constitution never changes, doesn't embrace anything as interpreted by the prior 110odd S. Court justices EXCEPT Scalia's interpretation? Yeah. No.

Thanks for the comment, Nordette.

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Jill Miller Zimon 5 pts

And frankly I think that's the way it should be. There are very specific judicial laws jurists and lawyers follow related to interpreting documents of all kinds, including constitutions - the operative word being "interpreting" - there's rarely such a thing as a document that doesn't get or won't get interpreted, and for sure, it's not the Constitution.

Thanks for reading and commenting.

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Centerist Cynic 5 pts

Centerist Cynic

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The Framers knew they could not forsee every circumstance that would come up or the changes in culture that would occur. Leaving flexiblity in the document has allowed the Constitution to survive for over 200 years. Scalia knows this and uses it when it suits him Bush v. Gore is a perfect example.

Nordette Adams 6 pts

I say that but I think that he may be an extreme constitutional originalist. If we went with his way of thinking, only white males would be free and everyone else chattel. And that includes Italian men. As someone said in comments at Pam Spaulding's blog pointed out, in the 1800s, Scalia's people were also treated as second class citizens in America.

Joan Walsh makes an good point, and so do you. Conservative women may have some thinking to do.

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