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The Second Amendment Has Nothing to do With Health Care Reform

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What does the Second Amendment have to do with health care reform? Despite the non-arrests of gun-toting fanatics outside the town hall meetings conducted by President Obama on the topic: absolutely nothing.

In case you haven't seen the coverage of these incidents on the news or on blogs, allow me to step back a bit and bring you up to speed.

First there was a man outside a health care town hall meeting with President Obama who held a sign reading "it's time to water the tree of liberty" with a loaded gun strapped to his leg. The message on the sign is derived from a Thomas Jefferson quote that reads: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots." Notice the reference to blood. You probably don't recall this but the terrorist Timothy McVeigh wore this quote on the shirt he chose to wear in his mug shots when he was arrested for the Oklahoma City bombings.

Because it is not against the law in New Hampshire for people to stand outside an event with loaded handguns, the man was not arrested. Encouraged no doubt by the extensive media coverage, a right wing group with ties to the man in New Hampshire, coordinated a showing outside a speech (which touched on health care) by the president to the Veterans of Foreign Wars Convention in Arizona (Where, bonus, the person who saddles up to the bar next to you or sits down next to your family at a restaurant might just be packing heat. Handy for when someone decides to recreate a scene from The Godfather. Also, in the wake of all this, Travel writer Arthur Frommer has decided to just say no to Arizona.). This time they brought not only handguns but some strapped assault rifles to their backs. They then proceeded to videotape interviews with each other in an effort to give the appearance to the media that they were just random dudes who independently had a collective thought and decided to show up. Oh, and one of them was a black dude so, clearly, race has nothing to do with raging against the HR 3200, I mean health care reform, I mean any and all of President Obama's initiatives, I mean the black POTUS, I mean the obvious very deep threat health care reform poses to the Second Amendment... I think you see where I'm going with this.

Just out of curiosity, I wonder where these gun-toting fools patriots were when George W. Bush was having people arrested for wearing t-shirts with the word Bush surrounded by a red circle and strike-through? Why weren't they there implying that blood should be shed to protect the absolutely violated First Amendment rights of registered Republican Jeff Rank and his wife Nicole?

Although the couple stood peacefully on the public grounds with the rest of the audience, two men believed to be working for the Secret Service or White House approached the Ranks and demanded that they remove or cover their t-shirts. When the couple refused, the officials instructed city police to arrest Jeff and Nicole, causing them to be removed from the Capitol grounds in handcuffs, jailed for one to two hours and charged with trespassing. Nicole Rank was also temporarily suspended from her work with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

Given that the locked and loaded protesters of today don't face Constitution-ignoring presidential goon squads, I would also argue that their fears of Obama taking away their guns and belief in NRA claptrap about the threat the president poses to Second Amendment rights are beyond silly.

Interpreting the Second Amendment is at best tricky. There is an entire cottage industry devoted to analysis of the use of commas and grammatical structure of the Amendment. The United States Supreme Court, which very rarely tackles such interpretation, has never ruled that the Second Amendment provides an absolute unregulated right for individuals to posses firearms. Even in a recent case striking down a Washington D.C. gun ban, they did not go that far.

And, even though Obama, a former Constitutional Law professor, expressed support for the court's decision, Wal-Marts can't keep ammunition in stock because of the fears being stoked about President Obama's wild and crazy anti-gun fanaticism. In some cases, just to somehow make sure that they can keep their guns, a few have thought that putting those bullets

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Maria Niles 5 pts

Gun-Toter From Obama Event: I, Like My Pastor, Want The President To Die ( http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/... )

The violent anti-Obama sentiment coming out of central Arizona managed to get still more toxic over the weekend.

Chris Broughton, the man who brought an AR-15 rifle and a handgun to an Arizona Obama rally earlier this month, says he "concurs" with his fundamentalist pastor's prayer for President Obama "to die and go to hell."

And in an interview with a local TV station, pastor Steven Anderson himself elaborated on his statement to TPMmuckraker that he would prefer Obama to die of natural causes so "he's not some martyr."

"I don't want him to be a martyr, we don't need another holiday. I'd like to see him die, like Ted Kennedy, of brain cancer," Anderson now says.

In an interview with ABC 15 outside the storefront Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Broughton said of Anderson's controversial August 16 "Why I Hate Barack Obama" sermon: "I concur, I think we'd be better off if God would send [Obama] where he's going now instead of later. [Obama] is destroying our country."

And when a reporter followed up with, "you're not advocating violence against the president?" Broughton, who has previously said his weapons are for defense, says "I'm not going to answer that question directly."

Maria Niles 5 pts

I agree with your perspective, thewildhare. However, far too often we as citizens don't speak up collectively and fight against insane laws such as concealed carry permits for national parks and restaurants and don't fight against the ridiculous fears that we have to be prepared to whip out a firearm and shoot somebody dead at all times and we allow the NRA to force politicians to cower in fear of them. So when there is no legitimate reason why authorities could arrest or remove those armed protesters because they are operating under laws passed precisely so that they can behave that badly, it is also our fault. Hopefully those of us who feel this way will raise our voices louder than any gunshot.

Thanks so much for your comment.

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Maria Niles 5 pts

The issue is that Bush had a manual directing the Secret Service and his advance teams to quash dissent such as yours, Suebob.

The Secret Service is having a difficult time keeping up with the increased level of threats against Obama but even still they certainly aren't going to knowingly allow anybody armed get close enough to the president to actually shoot him. But the armed dissenters are trying to send a message that the idea of possibly shooting the president because you disagree with him politically is a reasonable notion to entertain. They seek to express their opinion through intimidation much like clinic protesters as you point out, TW.

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Maria Niles 5 pts

Yep, Erin, I completely agree. It's about trying to make a point about power with an "I'll show you" attitude. Plus it's all about preaching to the choir. It's coded messaging and it's frightening.

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Maria Niles 5 pts

I agree completely, Denise. Just because it's not against the law to do something doesn't make it smart to do. You can make your political point without doing something that can result in death.

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thewildhare 5 pts

In my opinion, life threatening shows of force
when we are in disagreement is nothing less than sociopathic behavior. It is appalling to me that citizen’s of these
United States should advocate violence as a solution to any discussion and it is also appalling to me that we allow this behavior to threaten not only our president but our citizenry as well.  Shame on those carrying the guns.  Shame on this display of idiocy.  Shame on the authorities for not gently escorting these men away from the scene. Any defense here is disingenuous at best, and dangerous to us all.

TW 6 pts

 That those with firearms were not actually all that close to the president. Of course, that is in the same way that Pro-life protesters are not that close to where women go into clinics providing women's health services. 

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suebob 7 pts

When GW Bush was running the first time in 2000, I showed up at his whistlestop rally in San Luis Obispo, CA with a little cardboard sign on a thin bamboo stick. The sign said "Let Ralph Debate!" (ah, memories!). They only let Bush supporters get close to him, so I was at least 500 feet from the train, way back in the parking lot.

Two burly Secret Service guys came and took my sign, on the grounds that the stick could be dangerous. I gave it to them politely - who am I to argue over something so foolish? 

And now it is somehow OK for people to carry firearms close to presidential rallies and people are actually OK with it? It really boggles my mind.  

Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

Honestly? Dead honesty here... to me it's like men wanting to have the biggest * cough* stick.. they just want to show up and swing it around and show how bad ass and free they are. It's about power- isn't it always? And while we can debate the demographic showing up with guns and why they feel they need to show their power, it's all about trying to show how bad ass they are.

I am not against the 2nd amendment, I'm against stupidity. Sure these people have the 'right' but that doesn't make them smart for choosing to exercise that right outside a heated townhall meeting.

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Denise 9 pts moderator

I am so so so anti gun that it's ridiculous. It pains my libertarian and conservative friends - and quite a few of my democratic friends as well.

I don't really understand the bringing guns to the Townhall discussions about health care reform. I also realize that there are an awful lot of concealed weapons that have been toted to public assemblies for years. Regardless. I'm anti-gun. People, leave those things at home. In locked cabinets. Unloaded. (shudder)

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