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The Seductive Sweetness of Revenge

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394807 04: A brand new tattoo on a woman's back expresses her desire for revenge September 21, 2001 in Midway City, CA, south of Los Angeles. Addictions Tattoo was giving away free tattoos that express the feelings of nationalism that have swept the US in anticipation of America's retaliation for the recent terror attacks. (Photo by David McNew/Getty Images)

Revenge -- what is it? It is generally the desire to hurt someone as a result of having been hurt by them. Revenge, in other words, is about "getting even."

But it is far from that simple.

Let's use a trivial example. Someone I trust took a dollar from me, so I take a dollar from him. Then it is over. Everyone gets to experience theft. Everyone is where they started.

Except that isn't how it works.

If we use the dollar example, the revenge is usually to steal two dollars, or ten. Or the revenge for stealing a dollar is to throw away something the other person cares about. The ante gets upped.

And even with an upped ante, there is a feeling that things are not equal. After all, this was someone I trusted who stole that dollar. Letting him know that he can't trust me either doesn't make our hurt feelings go away.

There are entire books and websites dedicated to revenge -- revenge for women, for men, revenge in general, how to plot it, execute it, and how to avoid being caught. I'm not going to link to them because they give me the creeps.

Yet we all know the song (and probably liked it, too) in which Carrie Underwood tells us that her man will think twice about cheating after he sees what she did to his 4wheel drive.

My guess is that we all have reveled in revenge at one point or another. We've all heard stories about revenge that have even made us laugh. I recall one of a flight attendant who lived with her airline pilot lover. She discovered that he was cheating on her while he was on a long haul schedule, which means away from her and based in another city for a week or so at a time. One time when he left, she just dialed up a time-of-the-day line in England that did not disconnect, and let it run for a week while she moved out. He came home to an empty apartment, a five figure phone bill and a phone talking to the couch saying "It is now 1:30pm and 10 seconds ... It is now 1:30pm and 15 seconds ..."

But what did that accomplish? It sure surprised the pilot and made him pay out some money to the phone company. And he knew he had been found out.

But did that make life better for the flight attendant? Did she trust men more easily after that? Did she stop feeling betrayed? Was the pilot less likely to cheat, or just more careful? On some level, it probably did feel great because "gotchas" often do. But they can have some nasty backlash as well.

Oh Lordy, I know the feeling when revenge offers a sweet lure -- when you want the person who hurt you or who did something hurtful to really feel what they did -- or to feel ashamed of themselves -- or to have consequences to face of your particularly excruciating design.

In a recent column on BlogHer, Nordette Adams wrote an article that asked the question "Is Outing Members of the GLBT Community Ever O.K.?" in reference to a homophobic politician that had been outed as gay. Eventually the comments between us came to the issue of revenge -- and the spiritual damage it can cause.

I think we need to look closely at any act that makes us internally say, "Hurting him/her made me feel so good." Is that a statement we can feel proud of? And, beyond that, does revenge even work?

Sometimes it seems as though there is a thin membrane between an ethical life and a non-ethical one. When the membrane gets broken, it is easier to cross over the next time, and the next. The first lie is the hardest. The first cheat. The first revenge.

After the first "gotcha," the second one is easier. Maybe that one is even bigger. And then the third?

And in the meantime, have we taken time to

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Mata H 5 pts

I love your comment "no, one should never give the person reason to call you crazy ". Well said :-)

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Mata H 5 pts

Thank you for your usual thought-provoking comment. I agree with you . The fruitlessness of revenge is in the fact that I have never seen anything good come from it. As you said, it just turns life into a battlefield.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Elmare Louise 5 pts

Great read, thank you !!! Revenge - no, one should never give the person reason to call you crazy !!! Alway act with dignity .

Nordette Adams 6 pts

From what I've observed, therapists become concerned when dealing with married couples who are too focused on reciprocation, keeping score--what you do for me versus what I do for you. That focus is an early sign that something's wrong. I think psychologists see the focus on reciprocation as a precursor to vindictiveness. As the relationship goes sour, the attention shifts easily to what I do to you versus what you did to me.

Humans have a strong tendency toward positive reciprocity. When humans feel they've been hurt the same inner mechanism that prompts reciprocity flips to "Tit for tat. You kill my dog; I kill your cat." Revenge is reciprocity's negative twin and the desire for it runs so deep it's primal. I think once you've convinced yourself that the satisfaction has limits and consequences, you're less likely to pursue that course.

Some people say they're just not wired that way, and it's possible that they're not, but never having the desire to take revenge puts them in the minority. And sometimes all it means is the person's never had anyone hurt them deeply enough to reveal to her/him the negative emotion of desiring to get even.

Having gone through a horrible divorce, I've felt the desire to get revenge, and yet what I learned simply by thinking through the logical path of trying to get even is that it's not worth it. The person I'd become through that focus is not the person I've ever wanted to be.

I identify with your last sentence. :-) It's the elaborate fantasy scenarios that stop me early. Who has that much time and energy to invest negatively on one person? Or maybe I'm just too lazy for revenge. :-) However, I have had to curb my desire to debate to the death.

I knew a man whose motivation for revenge was "I'll teach you a lesson" as though other adults were children. The only thing the other people learned was that they liked him even less than they thought they did, not that they should respect him or try to work out differences nor that they were wrong to treat him unkindly or do whatever it is he felt was wrong. The result was his life looked like a battlefield. I am told he still operates this way, and so what is he learning?

Mata, you may enjoy this article at the American Psychology Association ( http://www.apa.org/monitor/2009/06/revenge.aspx ): "Revenge and the people who seek it."
Nordette Adams ( http://www.bookotopia.com ) is a BlogHer CE ( http://www.blogher.com/haystackprofile/viewprofile... ) & you can find her other stuff through Her 411 ( http://her411.com ).

IsleDance 5 pts

Exactly...

One Friday night, I loaded up my life and headed out... ( http://isledance.blogspot.com )

Mata H 5 pts

I agree entirely! thanks for commenting!

mata

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Mata H 5 pts

Power is a huge issue in revenge. The fantasies can be satisfying, but only in teh initial phases of dealing with the hurt...ultimately even getting past teh fantasies is key, as you said.

Mata

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Mata H 5 pts

True enough -- sometimes an attempt at "getting even" can backfire and hurt us again, in adddition to the other person...thanks for your comment.

~~ Contributing Editor, Mata H. also blogs right along at Time's Fool ( http://timesfool.blogspot.com )

Melissa Ford 5 pts

Sometimes just having the revenge fantasies are enough and they're part of the process of moving forward and away from the hurt. The imagination can be a powerful tool--just as long as you don't actually act on those thoughts.

Melissa writes Stirrup Queens ( http://stirrup-queens.com ) and Lost and Found ( http://lostandfoundandconnectionsabound.blogspot.c... ). Her book is Navigating the Land of If ( http://thelandofif.blogspot.com/ ).

Leah Lisette 5 pts

Unfortunately, the reason why revenge promises to make us feel better is rooted in our need for power. When someone hurts us, it is because we gave them the power to do so and they used it. in response to that, we want to prove (to them, but mostly to ourselves) that we have the same -if not greater- power over them. It's the same force that has driven many -if not most- serial killers. "I don't want to be helpless, so I'll prove to someone else that I'm not."
My problem with it personally is that I'll plot revenge and never go through with it because, while I have a sadistic streak, I'm very compassionate. So while the thought of revenge satisfies a certain aspect of my personality, eventually the idea of their pain makes me feel too bad to do anything about it.

JennaHatfield 10 pts

It's been a long time since I've done anything of the nature. The last time I remember doing such a thing was when I said something horrifically hurtful to my daughter's biological father. Did it feel good? No. Because he cried. And he's not a crier. So, then I felt worse. #revengefail

Jenna Hatfield (@FireMom ( http://twitter.com/FireMom )), from Stop, Drop and Blog ( http://stopdropandblog.com ) and The Chronicles of Munchkin Land ( http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com ), is a freelance writer and newspaper photographer.