
It's human nature to overlay our own values and beliefs on other people's decisions -- particularly when the decision is to accept one of the most challenging and demanding jobs in the world.
So you see this young mother with five kids who is given the career opportunity of a lifetime and you image it's you being asked to become vice president of the United States. You wonder, "Given the same circumstances, would you say yes to that offer?"
While some would say, "Hell yes!" Many others would say, " Not a chance."
Maybe it's because most of us are simply not that ambitious. Maybe it's because most women don't want to choose between family and career.
There are careers and then there are careers.
Becoming vice president of the United States is a job that demands putting career first.
And that's got a lot of women talking.
On the Today show, Amy Robach was interviewing Jodi Kantor who wrote about this issue in The New York Times and said
the broader question is
if Sarah Palin becomes vice president, will she be shortchanging her kids or will she be shortchanging the country?"
With one child already grown and another safely deposited in her college dorm,I have already made my choice in the shortchanging debate. I have to live with the decisions I made. So do my kids.
Like Sarah Palin, I was back at work three days after giving birth.People thought I was crazy and worried what kind of mother I would end up being.
Like Sarah Palin I have a job I love and never had a desire to be a stay at home mom. I wanted it all.
At this juncture, I have no regrets. I don't see any evidence that my kids were shortchanged.
With a 24 and 19- year old I have the benefit of being able to talk to them about what it was like to have a working mom who worked a lot.
During their growing up years I was racked with guilt and self-doubt,
I always wondered was being the best mom I could be? I could have saved myself a lot of aggravation.
My kids didn't feel neglected by their mom. They thought I worked a lot. They didn't think I cooked a lot. But they knew no matter what I was doing, no matter who I was having a meeting with, if they called, I took the time to talk to them.
That's because in the shortchange debate, I opted to shortchange the career.
That doesn't mean I didn't work incredibly hard or long hours its just that I opted not to work at a job that would have demanded more than I wanted to give. Was the career shortchanged? Absolutely
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So when I heard that Sarah Palin had not one, not two, but five children and an infant with special needs, I had an emotional reaction. I was sad.
I realize I'm putting my value set on her family values. I realize that I'm judging her based on my experiences and my capabilities and my viewpoint of what a "good" mom should do.
I do believe women can have it all. I don't believe they can have it all at the same time.
And to be the kind of mom I wanted to be, I couldn't have a corporate job that demanded 14 hrs a day and 40% travel. I would have felt I was shortchaging my kids and myself. I loved being a mom to young kids.
I felt sadness when I heard about Sarah Palin because if history is an indicator, she will ultimately shortchange her family if she is elected.
But that's me and my worldview of being a mother.
I have no idea what kind of mother Sarah Palin is. I have no idea what her beliefs about parenting are. And I have no idea whether she worries if she is spending too much time away from them.
She may see the benefits of the lifestyle and experiences that her kids would have if she where to become vice president, would far outweigh the loss of time and attention by mom.
Regardless, a lot of women and men are trying to come to terms with their own values regarding work life balance and whether a 44 -year -old woman with five children and an infant with special needs can do it without shortchanging either role.
Raising Smart Girls say,
I evntually gave up that whole part of me for my children and family - because I wasn’t able to do both well but that’s because I wasn’t strong enough to do it. I know exactly what I gave up, and while I’m careful how I handle my girls that I don’t let them see me too unhappy, and I guard myself against feeling bitter, I’m still sad about the loss of my career.
Vinegar Martinis has a message to the Twitterdom. " Give Me A Break"
The twits online are saying that Palin is a bad mother and that her number one job should be parenting not politics. Excuse me? Who the heck is saying that parenting her kids isn't her number one job? I work and believe me parenting my kid is number one through number infinity if compared to anything else I do in my life. But - apparently unlike the twit brigade, I'm capable of multi tasking and doing a few more things than birthing, then staring at my child for the rest of her natural life.
Feminist Legal Theory has excerpts from the New York Times Article
Many women expressed incredulity — some of it polite, some angry — that Ms. Palin would pursue the vice presidency given her younger son’s age and condition. Infants with Down syndrome often need special care in the first years of life: extra tests, physical therapy, even surgery.
Sarah Robertson, a mother of four from Kennebunk, Me., who was one of the few evangelical Christians interviewed to criticize Ms. Palin, said: “A mother of a 4-month-old infant with Down syndrome taking up full-time campaigning? Not my value set.”
Julie Poland at the Summit Blog asks Is the mommy track kaput?
Families can adapt to a lot, but at some point each woman (or man, for that matter) has to consider whether she's asking her family for an unreasonable amount of adaptation for the sake of the advancement of her career.
Comment if you 'd like to tell me you disagree, but I believe that ultimately there is no substitute for a mom. It's not that I think Sarah Palin shouldn't be allowed to run - I do think, however, that she's doing a grave disservice to her family to do it right now.
If you had five kids and an infant with special needs would you take on a demanding new career that would definitely take away from time with your family? What do you think of the shortchange debate - Can moms do a good job with a demanding career and a house full of kids?
More importantly, are you judging Sarah Palin because that's the choice she's made? Elana blogs about business culture at FunnyBusiness
Comments
Um, this topic has been
Um, this topic has been beaten to death already in a slew of posts here. Can we move on to the issues discussion please?
(I am a woman voting for Obama/Biden who believes that Palin should be able to work and run for VP with 5 kids, yadda, yadda...)
Agree with all of the above
Yah know we used to have a word for double standards like the one advocated by Elana. What was it now???? Oh yeah. SEXISM.
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The Shortchange Debate
I think the more appropriate question is if you had five kids and an infant with special needs would you even be considered for a demanding new career that would definitely take away from time with
your family?
Many women complain that they aren't even in the running for the most challenging, meaningful, substantive careers. However, when the career in question is the presidency or the vice-presidency of the most powerful nation in the world, a woman has an obligation to consider it and after reviewing her support system and personal ambitions, to pursue it. In that intelligent, educated people are still asking this question in 2008 shows how far America still has to go.
Sarah Palin is no single mom, so there is also the issue of reverse sexism that is evident in the questions being bandied about. Children need both parents and giving birth doesn't mean giving up your ambitions. Men have been handing over their parental obligations to pursue their careers since the beginning of time and only in recent times have we acknowledged the emotional as well as financial toll to family due to the absent father. What is needed is a model of a balanced parenting system that shares the parental responsibilities of both mother and father to raise balanced young men and women to adulthood. A woman president or vice-president would create a model of balance that is all too often absent in American households.
In that Ms. Palin has advanced as far as she has is a testament to her household and the partnership she has with her husband. While I don't support or agree with her politics, I do support her option to go as far as her talents and ambitions will take her.
I believe that America is poorer and further behind because of the backwards notion that women must choose between being great mothers within a traditional family structure or being great leaders in an organization and by implication, forgoing or deferring a family. No man is ever forced to consider, let alone make that decision. It is unfair, punitive and beneath us as a nation to give women this same set of options which is really no option at all.
In preparing this response, I can understand the frustration and pain of Hilary Clinton's supporters. From all appearances, Chelsea Clinton is an intelligent and well adjusted young woman despite being raised by a past president of the United States and an intelligent and ambitious professionally successful mother. As all of will admit if we are honest, none of our parents were perfect and even the best of them made mistakes. While encouraging and supporting the goals of our citizens won't guarantee them raising happy, well adjusted, productive children to adulthood, deliberately hobbling the ambitions of one parent definitely won't.
The same creativity, thinking and reasoning that develops great citizens in the home must be used in the development of our country if we are to remain in the forefront of an increasingly global economy. I believe that qualified men and women have an obligation to consider the presidency or the vice-presidency of America and we have the obligation to support them and create the policies and government to develop the other half of our population in order to remain competitive.
Support Her
I'm a feminist who is defending her. She strikes me as a woman who CAN do this. She's got a huge support network and I don't see how it's any of my business, or in my best interest to hold her back by applying my ability or inability to do everything.
On my girl empowerment blog I'm encouraging all mothers and fathers
to speak respectfully of Sarah Palin whether the agree with her
politics or not.
My hope is that our daughters never see another election with 4 men
on the tickets and how we react to Sarah Palin will stick with our
daughters in a fundamental way.
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Empowering Girls: So Sioux Me
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Shortchanged?
Simply put, why not ask this same question of Mr. Obama.
Fact is that we don't ask dad's if they're shortchanging their children or families when they take high pressure/profile positions.
I'm appalled at the number of women who continue to ask this question.
Why Not Ask It?
Well then, if we are going to keep talking about it let's ask it of the men who run for high profile offices. Fathers are as important as mothers - at least in my household. I anticipate we'd hear some answers that are pretty surprising.
Notions of Identity
My question was Would You Take the Job?
If you put sexism, feminism, conservatism, and iberalism aside I am just interested in hearing if given the same circumstance people would say YES to the vice presidency. I am not making a value statement about Ms. Palin or her role as a mother. The only people who should make that judgement will be her own kids when they are grown.
bBut I realized that given the same option I would nsay no which made me curious as to how other women who have fabulous careers would honestly answer that question.
elana
Blogher Contributing Editor,Business&CareersFunnyBusiness
I would
Definitely. The chance to make a difference on such a incredible scale would be irresistable.
~TW
Retro-Food
I would say ...
I would say NO. As I said earlier in a post relating to this issue, we are not the same as men and that is not a bad thing. We are different so we complement each other. I think fathers and mothers are equally important in the life of the child but play different roles in the life of a child. When children are babies/at a tender age, men are incapable of caring for them the way women can in terms of attention to detail, being sensitive to certain things, and so on. There is a reason we are the one's milking and able to breastfeed and not the man.
I think the presence of a mother in the life of a child is irreplaceable. Not by a father, or nannys or play school. And for that reason and a few more, I would say no if I was in Palin's situation (4 kids under the age of 18, one with special needs, and a grand child on the way) because i'm not a 'Super mum' and can't to both justice. As a mother (soon :) ) I am aware when my children are younger there is a trade off between raising my kids the way I want and charging up the career ladder.
If like Hillary Clinton, my kids are grown, why not? I'd say a big yes! Then I would have given my all to raising my kids and can give my all to my career. Thats my take on it and i'm not saying it should be the norm. Women have different priorities in life and it is not in my place to judge.
I am a feminist myself but not extreme. I love the fact women are charging forward and paving the way for other women but I think the main thing here is so women can have a choice to go for it when the time is right for them and not for the opportunities to compete with the raising of their children.
Temi
No, I don't think she can do both
To suggest that Palin is even doing ONE thing right stretches my credulity at this point.
Sure, she's charismatic. She gives great speeches. She looks like Tina Fey and has great comedy timing.
She also has a teenage pregnant daughter and a four-month old with special needs. Who, apparently, she completely disregards. She is set on "solving" her daughter's pregnancy by marrying her off to the guy who got her pregnant, who doesn't have any interest in marriage or fatherhood himself. That, to Palin, seems like a good idea. That's not a progressive woman who is in charge of her life. That's a hypocrite who thinks cover-ups are the way to make very real problems disappear.
I think anyone looking at her situation would have to say, "Well, she's not doing such a great job just now of taking care of her own house, why should we think she would be capable of leading us in the White House?"
Because of course that's where our minds go. McCain is 72. He's not a young, or particularly healthy, man. So, would Palin make a good President?
I'd love to see a woman President. But I don't think Palin could handle it. I don't think she can handle her responsibilities as a parent as it is. If I were going to have a woman in office, I would damn sure want one that supported a woman's right to choose AND believed in telling her kids about responsibility and birth control.
And I think Palin would be short-changing her family even more by running in this election when her daughter is pregnant and her son (or grandson, some speculate!) is only 4 months old and has Down's syndrome.
Does that mean a Mom shouldn't run for office? If she wants to, every Mom should have that right, certainly.
But it's a selfish thing to put your own ambitions above your children. All of you that say "you can have it all"--wishes don't make it true. Kids don't just need you on weekends and after six in the evening. Just holding down a job to keep from going under financially is hard enough for most families, and Palin doesn't need to do that.
So, no, I don't think she should run. I wouldn't run, if given the chance. Serving my country would not be at the top of my list. Sorry. My family, my loved ones, that's my number one priority.
And yes, I know I am judging her. I don't normally go for judging other Moms and their choices. But she's in the public eye, and she's put herself and her family there, even bringing the pregnant daughter's "fiance'" to her big speech, so I don't feel too guilty about putting my thoughts out there.
Viv
www.coolmomsrule.blogspot.com
Short Change Debate
I don't think you can do justice to two incredibly demanding jobs at the same time. No person is perfect, but inevitably one of those jobs will suffer. I don't want to sound judgmental, but as Governor her daughter was got pregnant. Was she involved then? Did she know her daughter was having unprotected sex or not? If not who was supervising the kids? You can't be two places at one time. Her job as a mother should be to raise her children - you can't be a conservative republican and have a unwed pregnant daughter without a little criticism.
equal but not the same
I do think her younger kids may suffer for it, and I say the same for Obama. Of course, the kids will miss out on their parents' attention - the jobs require a lot of travel and time. The families of leaders always have to sacrifice - I really think that public service at that level is actually made by contributions from whole families rather than just the elected official.
I guess we don't know what goes on in each family so who really knows? Maybe Palin's husband is the nurturer of the family and it works well for them. Maybe not.
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