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Should Obama Be Killed Poll is No Joke: Secret Service Investigates

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Somebody on Facebook created a disturbing poll with the question "Should Obama Be Killed?" The Secret Service is investigating, confirm news sources, and blogger GottaLaff at The Political Carnival says she's gotten a "thank you" call from the agency for supplying it with a screen shot of the poll. The agency caller told her "without it, they wouldn't have been able to address the matter." She writes:

Last night I posted about a scary Facebook entry, specifically a poll asking whether Obama should be killed. ... (The caller) thanked me over and over, emphatically, saying that there would be no way for the Secret Service to catch something like this without assistance. The Internets are too vast for that. (Read more by GottaLaff)

The assassination poll's questions had potential answers of "yes," "maybe," "if he cuts my health care," and "no," per HP. At one point the poll had more than 730 responses, about 10 percent advocating violence, reports Raw Story.

Raw Story also reports that the "Should Obama be killed?" poll appeared Sunday night, and while Facebook removed it, the social website did not issue a statement when first asked about the incident.

One Facebook user posted in the poll’s comments area: “What kind of sicko even puts up a poll like this? Where are the moderators of Facebook, don’t they even monitor some of this crap? I am stunned!”

“It’s scary that 10 percent agreed on some level,” another user commented.

As of press time, Facebook had not responded to RAW STORY’s inquiries, and there was no mention of the poll on Facebook’s own Facebook page, or on its press releases page. (Raw Story)

I don't think the social networking site has to issue a statement unless this story gets picked up by more of the press asking questions about Facebook moderation. (Since the first posting of this story, it has gotten more attention from MSM and Facebook has issued a statement of sorts.) Facebook is not responsible for some wackadoo posting a crazy poll and has done what it can by taking it down. All any website can do is warn users that if they violate guidelines, the site will remove their content and possibly block them, and then enforce the guidelines. I assume the person has been kicked off Facebook (maybe FB should say that), but getting kicked off FB is nothing compared to the heat the Secret Service will bring.

Asking people to vote on the potential assassination of any president is not a joke, not parody, not satire. The creator should be investigated and if there's a legal penalty, face it.

I'm glad GottaLaff, who first posted on the poll under "This is NOT okay," took action.

The hate speech, the threats have gotten completely out of hand. And those who have incited viewers and listeners-- and you know who you are Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, etc.-- are responsible for a good part of this horrific activity.

No, it is not "grassroots", not even close. It is a sick, terrifying, dangerous movement toward violence and the worst kind of civil unrest. (GottaLaff)

I'm also happy GottaLaff and other Facebook surfers notified the Secret Service and that Raw Story and HuffPo reported the poll to the larger public so quickly. In addition, I agree with GottaLaff that some of the hateful rhetoric spread lately contributes to the kind of climate where this kind of threat of violence, if not violence itself, may flourish. We live in a social climate where this kind of threat may be taken lightly or even secretly approved by those oppose President Barack Obama, and, as she said, it's not a grassroots movement.

What we are witnessing may be the result of irresponsible use of the airwaves and the Net where some conservative political pundits indulge their baser instincts and stir rage. Some of the pundits GottaLaff mentioned, for instance, have stoked the fires of unrest with crazy conspiracy theories and out and out lies on everything from health care reform, to socialist takeovers, to race baiting kookiness. I mention conservative pundits because they have of late been the most prominent offenders, dressing actual hate speech in the cloak of protest speech. However, divisive strategies employing fear-inspiring propaganda at the expense of public peace may be used by any political group at any time. And so, before I go further in this

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Candelaria Silva 5 pts

the internet's ability to let you hide your true identity all contribute to this.  If you've ever read the online comments after any article in a newspaper you have to wade through a lot of vile, virulent and inaccurate comments to get to thoughtful, nuanced ones. 

I also know that during times of change people are afraid especially those who fear being left out. Letting go of power - perceived or real - is daunting.  Instead of being happy that  our government is now more representative of all of us...instead of pulling together as humans...some people would remain divided.  Sometimes I wonder if an attack by bonafide aliens is the only thing that will bring humans together.  If the world lives long enough, it's going to get better.

What a wonderfully written post.  Your passion, thoughtful analysis, and just plain sense always shine through.  Thanks, Nordette.

Good will triumph. Right????

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larraine 5 pts

I blame the right wing radio and television as well as many of the so-called "Christian" groups who, angry at not having their man in the White House for another 8 yrs, have said and continue to say vicious and untrue things about Obama.  Any attempts by the left to demonize Bush - and I mean TRULY demonize - were met with stiff resistance by the right, aided and abetted by the 24 hours news cycle media. Too much attention is given to these people - whether they are the seniors who scream about getting the government's hands out of "my Medicare" or nuts who bring guns to presidential speeches. Ignorance seems to be bliss on both sides of the political spectrum these days. 

nowickedwitch 5 pts

It's really ignorance that allows this. The lack of the huge majority to understand, nevermind use, reason and logic, is astounding.

cooper

Southerngirl 5 pts

This is not "free" speech this is hate speech.  Who was the brain who thought this was a good idea!  WTF?  Then there were over 700 people who responded to this craziness.  As I said on American Princess's ( http://www.blogher.com/its-nothing-personal-its-po... ) post this is personal. 

The scum who do this crap are most likely to be the first to talk about 'keeping America safe' but this sh*t is what makes us weaker as a country.  Why would any other world leader take our president seriously when this kind of crap is going on in his backyard?  Insane.

Michelle

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

Thank you, Barb. I'm familiar with David Frum (wrote about him before ( http://www.blogher.com/should-obama-be-killed-poll... )) because I also look for what the right is saying and keep an ear open for the voices I can meet in the middle. If the right would separate itself from people who think racism is a conservative value, they'd discover not only do I agree with them on some issues but also other people of color. However, as you point out, Frum doesn't have the kind of influence some of the conservative pundits have. I'm sure he finds it frustrating at times to speak sense but be shouted down.

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BarbD 5 pts

No, not mine -- but I do try to not limit myself to only progressive points of view. My own brother is fiercely conservative, which makes for some interesting conversations. I felt like I needed to better understand the way he thinks, so I've been reading more conservative points of view.

Last year I stumbled upon David Frum ( http://www.newmajority.com/author/DavidF ), who is representative of that part of the Republican Party that believes it must become more inclusive and moderate. (He was also GW Bush's speechwriter for a time.) In any case, he's been having a very public and vocal confrontation with people like Limbaugh and Beck. AND getting a lot of heat for it.

Still, I'm not sure people like Frum are the real influencers on the right at the moment; my brother can't stand him. The bulk of the conservative movement appears to be taking a harder right.  And their spokespeople appear to be the highly polarizing fomenters of ire and spin -- not the kind of conservatives I remember growing up with. (Although the recently issued National Affairs ( http://nationalaffairs.com/ ) online is trying to fill that void.)

I don't know how we get out of this ugly place we find ourselves in today. At my most cynical, I wonder whether the ignorance on display-- from the people interviewed at the recent 9/12 rally in Washington which Mata H shared in a recent post, ( http://www.blogher.com/46-years-ago-birmingham-chu... ) to the rampant misinformation about climate change -- has increased or is simply part of what populism has always been about.

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Suzanne 5 pts

As always, an excellent and thoughtful post.  It reminded me of the comments and discussion over at Dana's post about Acorn (http://www.blogher.com/acorn-sting-gives-me-hope-j... One commenter just accused everyone who disagreed with her view of being like "Hitler's apologists."  Seriously?  I have heard this shit over and over again.  The cost of these types of comments is to minimize the horror of acts of discrimination and genocide.  Whatever Acorn did wrong, whatever Obama is doing "wrong," comparing them to Hitler is sick.  (For the record, I also objected when people compared George W. Bush to Hitler.  That is a ludicrous and offensive assertion.  He was, though, a lot like an incompetent Mussolini - discriminated against people, took away civil liberties, and rather than improving infrastructure, he destroyed it.)  The second anyone throws out "hitler," I immediately dismiss what they have to say unless they are talking about something like Darfur.

I am more disturbed than ever that certain Americans do not seem able to engage in rational discussions about anything.  People can say what they want, but the idea that people are not responsible for what they say is outrageous.

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Megan Smith 5 pts

Thanks for this excellent post, Nordette.

This whole situation unfortunately reminds me of the rhetoric from the pulpit and from ultraconservatives during the worst of the public debates over Roe v. Wade.  Remember how it was okay to kill doctors who performed abortions?  Or bomb family planning clinics?  Or terrorize the families of anyone associated with doctors that were deemed evil?

This feels the same way to me.  Scream the rhetoric as loud as you can as long as it gets you what you want politically.  But as soon as someone takes a shot at Obama or God forbid, kills him, run away like rats from a sinking ship, saying how you had absolutely nothing to do with it.

This Facebook poll, no matter who did it, isn't really the problem.  It's the irresponsible pundits and politicians who will do and say anything to get votes and ratings.

If I sound angry, it's because I am.

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Willful Woman 5 pts

Nordette,

Thank you for writing on this issue. I am grateful that a proactive FB user notified the Secret Service about this illegal poll and that they are acting swiftly. It is illegal to threaten the life of the President.

Freedom of speech is not the issue here. At least, not as I see it. Is it exercising one's freedom of speech to threaten someone or is it harassment? Is it using freedom of speech to hurl racial slurs or is it a hate crime? Do we call it freedom of speech when people's very own ignorance is used against them to stir up even more fear and hatred or is that called inciting a riot? Is it freedom of expression when the word FED is scrawled on a census worker's bare, lifeless body or is that just plain murder?

There has to be some accountability for the hate that is being stirred up and by those who are doing the stirring. I agree with you, Nordette, that not only conservatives "waltz strategically down the color line." We have to push our Senators and Representatives to stand behind our President and not allow anything that looks like racism to stand unanswered.

Where are all the folks who said, "Yes, we can"? We need to get back out there and say, "Oh no, you can't!" You can't take this country back to the 1950's. Oh, no, you can't divide us by race. You can't make us turn on each other. We are in this together. We want change for all of us. We're not going to listen to your hate speech any more! As beautiful as that day was, our work didn't end the day the First Family entered the White House. That was just the beginning. We've got a lot of fighting left to do.

Sorry I wrote so much! You touched a nerve! Thanks for a great story!

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

Jesse Farmer is not the person who created the Should Obama Be Killed Poll, but he's had to talk with the Secret Service because he knows who created the poll. Jessee is the Facebook third-party applications developer who developed the application the culprit misused.  

He has a Twitter page and told GottaLaff how to contact him. Read more of the update at my blog here ( http://bigsole.blogspot.com/2009/09/should-obama-b... ).

Nordette Adams ( http://www.bookotopia.com ) is a BlogHer CE ( http://www.blogher.com/haystackprofile/viewprofile... ) & you can find her other stuff through Her 411 ( http://her411.com ).