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Conservatives, Taxes and Debt: Shifting Public Wealth to the Private Sector?

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Editor's Note: Listening to GOP candidates speak about the national debt in advance of Tuesday's Iowa caucus, Nordette was reminded of New York Times writer Paul Krugman's editorial, Nobody Understands Debt. She broke out some key elements in Krugman's piece to point out her own theory about conservative politicians' agenda: That "anti-tax rhetoric" should be described "in terms of shifting public wealth to the private sector. Do you agree? - Julie

As I've written before, the way some conservatives are so adamantly against any increase in taxes begs deeper investigation. People aren't asking often enough if what anti-tax conservatives say is factual. For instance, frequently Tea Party conservatives rely on the Boston Tea Party image to conflate in the public mind that original protest against taxes without representation with their current ideology that all taxes are bad and the government is evil. I continue to think that some of them want to break the government and shift all public funds and services to the private sector. That is a form of income redistribution, a way of taking the people's money that provides services for the have-littles and the have-nots and moving it disproportionately to the haves.

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Apr. 5, 2011 - Irvine, California, U.S. - UC Irvine graduate student Tony Burke arranges the numbers of a debt clock representing the over $14 trillion national debt. Members of the Young Americans for Liberty chapter at UC Irvine on Tuesday, April 5, 2011, displayed a temporary, 40-foot-long debt clock and collected petition signatures to protest the national debt...//ADDITIONAL INFO /// i.debtprotest. shot 040511 /// JEBB HARRIS THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER.Members of the Young Americans for Liberty chapter at UC Irvine on Tuesday, April 5, 2011, displayed a temporary, 40-foot-long debt clock and collected petition signatures to protest the over $14 trillion national debt. (Credit Image: © Jebb Harris/The Orange County Register/ZUMAPRESS.com)

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nellewrites 107 pts

I'll add in the monies flowing for products purchased by government - frequently at ridiculous prices, and including 'cost overruns' that all too often tack on to a contract.

 

Further, privatising prisons provides industry with what amounts to slave labour, selling products competing with companies with non-prison labour. You can bet most of the difference goes not to savings but to the business owners/investors.

 

The economic crisis of 2008 shifted a lot of income away from those of lesser means, in a way akin to a big earthquake jolting land forward. Now the crisis is used to attack Social Security, Medicaid, and a host of other social services.

 

The GOP cared not a bit about deficits until 20 January 2009 - after it stuck us with war costs, lowered taxes compounding the problem, with most of the lost revenue accruing to... you know.

Jill Miller Zimon 11 pts

Nordette - gmta - I actually had the EXACT same thought re: connecting what the GOP candidates say to having little knowledge about debt and deficits, or public budgeting for that matter. And I say this as an elected in a small city where the numbers are small enough that you can see pretty much everything.

Also, you may laugh but I actually woke up this morning thinking something similar to your point about it's really a shift in wealth that's desired - not the anti-tax thing so much - but under the Reagan trickle down guise that those with money will spend it - has anyone noticed? THEY AREN'T SPENDING. So demand remains too low to power the kind of in achievable yet still constantly moved goalposts set by the GOP candidates when it comes to judging Obama and the economy.

Eh - I could go on and on but I'll stop there for now.

Great post - more politics from Nordette!!

Jill Miller Zimon 11 pts

That's supposed to be unachievable not in achievable!

nellewrites 107 pts

The whole deficit thing tends to ignore key elements, from the fact almost 1/3 of the debt is money the government owes itself to the fact corporations also send debt forward via bonds. In fact, companies have somewhere between 3 and 4 trillion in bond debt out there, and each company can roll over a bond into a new one, it need not be paid back, so long as they continue paying bondholders according to the bond terms. Ten years ago, if someone mentioned a plan to destroy social services, I'd have thought them overtorqued. Today... debt makes a great rally cry for cuts, when reasonable people know there has to be revenue increases through higher tax rates. The whole wish for private encroachment into government services bothers me a great deal. There are things we can do without need for a profit motive. I fear for instance private doings in our prisons, and as someone who spent 21 months in a fed prison camp, I've got lots to say on the subject, but I will spare everyone such a rant. The great danger is industrialisation of our prisons, a machine sucking people in and sucking profit out of a controlled workforce. It is counter to the interests of society, but prisons are a dirty business, and how many people want to do anything but say 'they deserve it'?

Yes, we need fiscal sanity, but that does not mean digging in heels, nor does it mean more tax cuts from those who have most prospered - at the expense btw of the rest of us. I'll stop here, my eyes are foggy, and I need sleep. :-)

Sally G 16 pts

Hear, hear! The for-profit prison industry is one of the worst—and the number of prisons expected to be built for detaining immigrants is disgustingly excessive. A paranoid person could wonder what “they” are planning. . . . nellewrites