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Does A Comic's Joke About Rape Speak to A Larger Problem?

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Perhaps you've caught wind of the mess involving a former Second City employee in Chicago who told a story on an open mic. In the story, a slightly drunk female customer gives a Second City waiter her number and tells him to call her. The waiter has a girlfriend, isn't interested, and passes the number off to the "joke"-teller. He calls the woman, pretending to be the waiter, and she invites him over. When he shows up, clearly not the man she was expecting, she tells him to leave. He tricks her into letting him stay long enough to use the phone, and takes advantage of her open hotel door (a moment that prompts him to say "Bingo!") and forces himself inside. As she repeatedly tells him to leave, they end up on the bed. He assures the audience she's physically stronger than him. They end up having sex. When it's over, she again asks him to leave, and he finally does.

You can watch the video of this monologue here (WARNING: it is very disturbing, and I kind of wish I hadn't watched it.)

The most obvious problem is that he's describing an account of rape. It might be fictional, but he's still describing rape as funny. (And I don't want to hear the defense that it's not actually rape, which is what many commenters on these different articles are arguing. The woman said "No." He forced himself in and had sex with her. That's rape.)

Jezebel discusses these problems. Blue milk does a great job of talking about how the incident is indicative of a larger cultural problem that allows rape to be viewed as acceptable, even humorous. These are serious issues, and I'm glad the discussion is taking place. In fact, the spread of this video through blogs has led to a police investigation and the man losing his job.

It has also generated important discussions about consent, legal clarity, etc. In addition, it opens up some interesting issues with open speech and social media. This NPR article by Linda Holmes uses the incident to take a look at these issues. Holmes is interested in the way that the openness of social media like Facebook, Twitter, blogs, etc. changes the way we tailor our delivery for different audiences:

But who you are talking to no longer has anything to do with who you think you're talking to. You can tell a story to your narrow circle a hundred times and have nobody bat an eyelash, but the minute you step outside that circle, everything is completely different. And that can underscore the way that a sudden explosion of your audience can give what you say a completely unexpected reception.


This is not a new issue; it's just a new spin on it. The problem of authorial intention and audience perception is as old as speech. The moment your thoughts leave the protective bubble of your own mind, you no longer have complete control over them. The audience becomes complicit in the interpretation. Some of your audience won't get the same meaning you intended. Some audience members will get something else from it entirely. Sometimes the responsibility for this misinterpretation lies with them: they don't have the necessary former knowledge, they didn't listen very carefully, they don't have the same vocabulary. Sometimes it lies with you: you assumed too much about your audience, you didn't speak (or write) clearly, you gave a faulty example. Sometimes it's a combination of the two. So, of course, when your potential audience becomes anyone with internet access, you're opening yourself up to this risk ten-fold. What does this have to do with this rape monologue? Holmes explains:

If Eric thought telling this story in public would open up a serious public back-and-forth about whether this is a story of sexually assaulting this woman, he wouldn't have done it. He thinks he looks cool in this story, and indeed, a certain number of people in the audience keep laughing the whole time.


He had the wrong expectations for his audience. He expected them to respond like his friends, and some of them did, but most of them didn't. The comedians on the stage frequently point out that this sounds like assault, but he just keeps going. By the end, many in the audience are booing. And those are just the people who were there with comedy in mind. Now his monologue is being linked on feminist blogs, and these audience members are even further from the audience he assumed he had. Holmes concludes with this:

Certainly, the fact that

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apoll82 5 pts

MOOKIE1973 I don't know, sounds pretty coerced to me, whether physically or verbally. someone tells you to leave, you leave. simple as that. anything else is a crime.

MOOKIE1973 5 pts

You know I consider myself to be a proud feminist and I consider rape to be a pretty serious offense. However I have to be honest here and say that while I find this guy to be an unfunny reprehensible douche bag, not to mention that I'm not inclined to believe that what he's saying is accurate, if you take his depiction of what actually happened here for accurate, this does not qualify to me as being rape. 1) he went in for a kiss and she responded. They proceeded to make out, at one point 2) she "had him pinned and was on top of him". While she says "you should leave" , we don't know how it was said (and please don't pretend like someone's body language, their tone, etc. don't change the actual meaning of how someone's words can be interpreted. It sounded like things progressed he judged her to be willing based on the fact that she was making out with him and then he made a move to progress things (as a man or a woman does when they are being intimate with someone and they want to move things to the next level. If you are a woman and you are making out with a guy on a bed and you take your hand and put it down his pants without asking, that in and of itself does not mean you have sexually assaulted this man. No one in the course of getting hot and heavy with someone stops and says "may I place my hand on your breast/butt/penis....now").

MorgainePen 5 pts

It's rape, pure and simple. And you are no feminist. You are a rape apologist.

Conversation from Facebook

Bell Jar
Bell Jar

But I seriously am questioning the quality of comedy itself. I can not stand jokes on rape. There is no rape victim who can laugh about what he/she experienced.

Barbara Romio
Barbara Romio

Bad judgement, what's funny about rape ?

Eleanore Wells
Eleanore Wells

Rape is not funny. Neither are jokes about rape. (sigh)
-The Spinsterlicious Life

Brittany Erickson Tuttle
Brittany Erickson Tuttle

There was a recent article on HuffPo about a school principal who had raped a student--forced her to perform oral sex on him. Only in the Huffpo title they stated that he was "in a sexual relationship" with her. Part of the same problem, I think.

Dyanna Olvera
Dyanna Olvera

typical that it would come from a stupid MAN

Laura Henry
Laura Henry

this story has been bothering me all week.

On Blank
On Blank

It absolutely speaks to a greater issue. Just like when somebody says that a song was so bad they were "ear-raped." Rape is a weapon of power--and a terrifying one at that--and its name must never be used in any way that desensitizes us to its horror.

Jennifer Zupko Spaeth
Jennifer Zupko Spaeth

First, I think the guys made it up. He is a loser. Second, I did not think the booing was b/c they were disgusted...which is in itself pretty disgusting. The comic on stage acknowledged that the women in the audience were not happy but that was the ONLY real indication that people were unhappy about what was being said. I am not sure which is worse, the fact that he (supposedly) did waht he said or the fact that more people were not outraged.

Candace Baker
Candace Baker

Comes up as error...could just be my side. :(

BlogHer
BlogHer

Candace what happens when you try? I just double checked and it is working for me. - Denise

Candace Baker
Candace Baker

I can't get it to load. The page. Not the video.

Michael Pearson
Michael Pearson

people how have be rape it not a joke to us thank you .

Skeeter Bess
Skeeter Bess

Decided not to view the video because the very fact that this man turns rape into a joke is just too creepy beyond words. the fact that some (though not all) laughed - creepier still. Rape is no joke. Ever.