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Spanking: Screw It

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Despite my liberal Democrat ways, I'm not violently opposed to spanking. (No pun intended. Or maybe it was.) I think there's quite a difference between "spanking" and "beating to a pulp," and when parents object too stridently to spanking, we're opening ourselves up to arguments over semantics rather than arguments over disciplinary styles.

It's not just that I don't want to send a message that violence is the way of the world, or that I don't want to be a hypocrite and spank my child to teach her that hitting is wrong, although I don't want to do either of those things. There are a thousand arguments against spanking, but the strongest is still this: It doesn't work.

I grew up in a spanking household, as did almost every single friend I had in my small town. There is one family I can recall who had a no-spanking policy, and everyone thought that was just a little bit weird. Spanking was a normal part of childhood in a time when corporal (thanks, Average Jane) punishment still hadn't been entirely obliterated from schools. We all got spanked and lived to tell the tale, and I can't think of one friend who came away with either physical or psychological damage from normal spanking.

But it still didn't work.

My parents spanked more when we were younger than when we were older. I remember clearly being spanked and more clearly watching my sister get spanked. I remember being very angry with my parents for spanking even when I wasn't the one in the hotseat. I didn't feel guilty for my crimes -- I just felt angry that someone was going to spank me.

After the spanking phase, my parents turned to pick-your-punishment and grounding/privelege removal. These techniques were far more effective with me, because I made a clear connection between my parents and authority. I realized with these new punishments that they truly were the boss of me, and they could take away my precious telephone and television whenever I misbehaved. Spanking = angry at them. Privelege removal = angry at me.

My husband pretty much agreed with all of my reasoning, and so we've never spanked our daughter.  We did time-out when she was a toddler, putting her back in the corner over and over and over until she blew herself out and snurkled for us in apology.

As she's grown older and tested us more, we've been tempted at times by spanking, especially when the shock value seemed important to nip a new form of naughtiness in the bud, but instead we resorted to upping the disciplinary ante. I remember the first time I took away her My Little Ponies. They sat on top of my dresser, staring down at her, and she wailed as though her heart would break, but she got it: I am the boss of her.  

In the end, spanking and all, I learned to obey my parents out of respect and not fear. That's my wish, above all else, for my daughter. I want her to respect me. And for that, I have to learn to control my temper, too. Spanking just seems a little too easy to do when you're still angry. I can toss a pony on a dresser a little too hard and nothing will come of it. I can't imagine how I'd feel if I made that mistake while spanking my girl.

What do you think?

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Paigeofmylife 5 pts

I spank and will admit it to anyone. I was spanked and even once had to pick my own switch. Was I abused? Do I harbor ill feelings for my parents then or now? No. Because I was loved and the rules of the house were clear. The reasons for being spanked were clear. When I was spanked, I knew exactly what I did to earn it and I tried to not do it again. Some times I was a slow learner. : )

What I have a problem with is someone else telling me how to discipline my child. You don't know my child. You don't know what works for them. And you don't know what doesn't. Some children are not willing to please, period. Some don't care about toys being taken away (well, I'll just play with some thing else). Some don't care about priviledges taken away (and in the age range that you can spank - do they even understand that?). Some times a swat on the butt is needed. And until you are in that parent's shoes, how dare anyone throw stones!

As far as all the "studies" that show spanking causes aggression, are they polling and studying the children who've grown up to be law abiding citizens or just the ones that turned into rapists and murders? A study is only as good as the data that is put into it.

dailyfuss 5 pts

But, I don't spank either. I don't think it amounts to controlling behavior through infliction of pain so much as it's controlling behavior by cultivating fear. I don't want to go there. I don't need to.

Jen Freeman

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Jozet at Halushki 5 pts

the Positive Discipline books by Jane Nelsen. Some great stuff for younger kids.

Also,  the boks from the Giselle Institute on ages and stages are fabulous. I think that sometimes just a good awareness of what to expect at each stage, what children are and are not yet capable in regard to behavior, saves a lot of time and effort and heartache. I've seen people smack young 2yos for not sitting still and quiet through a 1/2 hour story time, and I wonder whether a good dose of realistic expectations would be easier on everyone. Not that "bad" behavior should be ignored, but "bad" is sometimes relative. Knowing what a child is capable of allows parents to better match sitiuations to the child so that there is more success from the get go.

Later, take a look at Kurchinka's books, as well as Barbara Coloroso. Positive Discipline is not "no discipline". At times, I'm the strictest parent on the block. But it does allow for children to begin monitoring and adjusting their own behavior early on, teaching them responsibility for their choices, and with clear and rational natural and logical consequences.

Finally, How To Talk So Kids Will Listen by Faber and Mazlisch is my bible. It should be read by every human on the planet, parent or not.

Halushki.com

Jozet at Halushki 5 pts

my child would have never returned to the ice rink after her first venture out.

When a child reacts to spanking, she is reacting to fear of her parent, not pain. That's a risky fear to play with.

It also sends confusing messages about good touch-bad touch as well as just who has what kind of rights over another person's body and under what circumstances. Heavy stuff for a two-year-old? They'll turn out "okay"? They need to be spanked to keep them safe? Maybe. Or maybe they'll do what a neighbor's child did and run out into traffic while holding his hands over his backside.

I'd say that the greater risk is that the parent herself might take longer to evolve into one who utilizes higher-level discipline (i.e. teaching) strategies when parenting.  Spanking can be an easy way out and tough to give up too quickly, and a child who responds "well" to more authoritarian punishments might have a tougher time moving toward internal locuses of control.

But most of all, spanking sends mixed messages to children as to who they are. Because, as I can attest to, someday, a spanked child will meet with another child who was not spanked, and who is just as relatively well-behaved.

And the question that will come to mind to the spanked child will be, "What is wrong with me that I have to be hit to be taught?" And that's a tough question to live with, espeically when it's been imprinted - pardon the pun - so young.

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AmberEyes 5 pts

I don't have any of my own kids, yet, but we're currently baking our first. Parenting and discipline is a topic that comes up frequently between my husband and I, and we both seem to be in agreement that we do not like the idea of spanking. When I was growing up, I was spanked maybe 3 times in total, by a mother who cried everytime she did it. It never worked, it just made me angry. What DID work, however, was when my father would repeatedly ask me to put away my toys. When I refused after several attempts, he picked them up and threw them in the garbage. They were gone. Forever. And oh how I learned. Hubby and I hope to use this method, the timeouts and the visible consequences. But, naturally, things may very well change when we get to meet our own little children. One thing I promised myself never to do was spank, but I'm still open to other ideas.

christinajeanne 5 pts

I am not a mother and I would not say if you spank your child you are abusing him or her. But, I don't think it teaches children anything. It's more effective I think to give a time out or take a toy away. My mom spanked me once and I still remember it to this day. It's not a good way to discipline your children.

loraleechoate 5 pts

I was whipped with belts and yard sticks as a kid. I never wanted to be that kind of parent with my kids. The thought of regularly spanking scared me.  However, I HAVE spanked my kids. I can count on one had with each kid how many times it has happened and it always involved when they broke a rule so huge it could have endangered their lives  (running into the street)

Because we very rarely spanked, they got the message that what they did was especially horrible and not to repeat it. It worked. 

Still...with my youngest being 10 now and us expecting a newborn? I don't know that I will ever spank.  Maybe it's because I'm older, I don't know.  I'm not sure.

Good post and stuff to mull over.

AmberS 5 pts

I don't spank. I also don't use time out. I don't think punishment is necessary. I think that kids need to learn that there are consequences for their actions, but they don't have to be punitive and artificial. I also think many (or most) of the behaviours that kids are punished for are developmentally appropriate and will be outgrown regardless of how you intervene, or even if you don't.

I won't lie. There have been moments when I've felt tempted to punish or even hit. But those were moments when I was very angry, and people rarely make good choices in anger. I doubt I could pick a worse moment to raise my hand against my child.

~ Amber

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LucindaA 5 pts

Mostly because I was spanked for all the wrong reasons when I was a kid and I"m not interested in repeating that cycle.

I love your clear, rational reasoning against spanking though.  I agree. It doesn't work.  It just pisses off the kid.  I lost my temper one time, ran out of immediate options, and spanked my daughter once.  Just a couple swats.  Nothing serious.  She still reminds me.  It pissed her off and didn't change her behavior.

Now we do other things that still piss her off for awhile but ultimately she can see the connection between her behavior and the consequences.  I do think time-out is a good plan.  You modify it by age.  I don't think it's death by 1000 cuts.  When they are 3, time-out is 3 minutes.  Then we talk.  Then we hug and they play.  It works.  Mostly because it gave us both time to cool off.  Now time-out is considerably longer but the purpose is still the same.  Cool off, talk, determine consequences.

mashadutoit 5 pts

easiest and least-traumatic

I think that's where the rub is for me.  Its easy to say that hitting people is wrong.  But I've seen toddlers put into "time outs" and all kinds of other alternatives to spanking -  much more traumatic, takes longer, "death by many small cuts" type approach.

I'm not convinced that the long drawn out torturous talk and kindly explanation through gritted teeth is always better than a spank.  

I'm not even convinced that spanking is violent.  Is a sharp word violent?  A quick "DONT touch that burning stove plate!" that startles a toddler - that is violent, isnt it?  

Not in the same way as a vicious shake or slap in the face, though.  And also not in the same way as a soft, careful, pointed verbal humiliation.

I have no idea if I would spank my children, if I had any.  Not trusting myself to make those sorts of decisions rationally is one of the reasons I dont have children - a cop out, if you like.

The reason I am commenting about this at all is that this is an issue about which some people have a RULE.  It always worries me when that happens, as it leads to judgemental behaviour towards people who do not share your RULE.

Rita Arend's post does not come accross like that - its more like - "this is my personal rule, and here is why".  Which I apreciate.

Vered 5 pts

I remember spanking as sheer humiliation. I will never do that to my kids. 

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Liz Henry 5 pts

Hitting people nonconsensually is wrong. It's violence. The ethics is extremely clear to me.  Ritualizing certain forms of nonconsensual violence and giving them a special name doesn't change it.

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Celeste Lindell 5 pts

There was a big paddle in the principal's office at my school, but I don't recall seeing a gallows or an electric chair. ;)

Rita Arens 7 pts

Thanks for commenting, mashadutoit. I hope childless people feel comfortable commenting on my mommy posts -- just because you don't have kids doesn't mean you never met one or weren't one yourself at some point, so you totally have a right to your opinion.

I think it might be a kid-by-kid thing, but at that just-learning-to-communicate, you're really going for shock-and-awe. You're trying to get it through their id-like skulls that they need to stop doing the behavior. I've seen kids be spanked and laugh their way through it, and I've seen kids for whom time-out will never work. My daughter is a pleaser, so we never had to go beyond time-out. I'm a fan of using the easiest and least-traumatic form of punishment possible at all times, so we were lucky that time-out worked for us.

It's always been my dream to be able to give my child a certain look and have her back away from whatever wrong thing she's about to do. I still have to count, but I'm totally almost there, just in time for her to rebel as a tween. Yay.

Rita Arens writes at Surrender Dorothy ( http://surrenderdorothy.typepad.com ) and BlogHer and is the editor of Sleep is for the Weak ( http://tinyurl.com/9pg62e ).

mashadutoit 5 pts

 diclaimer - i have no children, so what do I know?  But anyway...

Could age not be a factor?

Obviously - spanking a baby is not apropriate.

And an older child  is able to connect their own action with a consequence which is relatively abstract and removed in time  - perfect.

 But is there an age, when they are still under the impression that they are the center of the universe - and not able to make that connection - that spanking would "work"?

Most parents I have seen, use a "time out" for this stage.  I often wonder, as I remember being timed out myself, and certainly not making any kind of connection between wrong-doing and punishment.  But maybe that does not matter, and its more important for the child to learn to calm themselves down?