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Swine Flu: What's A Good Mother To Do?

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I’ve been good mother. I done what I can to keep my children safe. They eat mostly organic fruits and vegetables, and tuna only occasionally. They bike with their helmets and usually with me. School maybe only eight blocks away but I would never let them go alone. They wear shin guards and sunblock. They know our emergency earthquake plan and have memorized their out-of-state relatives’ phone numbers. They don’t have mercury fillings and I try to keep the x-rays down to a minimum. When it was time to vaccinate, I did, but on a much slower schedule to reduce lingering risk.  When they are sick, which is rare because I keep them healthy with regular doses of vitamin C, vitamin D, and a variety of my favorite chinese herbs, I tend to them with the focus of mother lion protecting her cubs. I try not to hover but they tell me they can hear my helicopter even in the dead of night when I insist on leaving their doors open just in case they need me.

But let me tell you, this swine flu thing has had me stumped. The news is replete with stories of healthy people who are dying, pregnant mothers who have suffered months in comas, children who suffer needlessly. Just vaccinate we are told and all will be well. Then of course the internet is filled with horror stories of the risks of vaccination. “The manufacturer has not done enough testing.” “The last swine flu vaccination actually killed people.” “It’s a conspiracy!” one email declared. “The government is in cahoots with the pharmaceutical companies in an effort to boost sales.” And by the way, you can’t call it swine flu anymore, its H1N1(the new designation advocated on behalf of the pork industry whose lobbyists worried the negative association would affect their sales: score another one for the conspiracy theorists). 

The media has me in a tizzy. Do I vaccinate my children even though the serum has not been fully tested? Do I risk the chance that they will get this horrible disease? And then, I learn there isn’t even enough vaccination to go around. A recent article in the New York Times declared that good mothers vaccinate but limited supplies are rendering we good mothers failures because we can’t properly care for our little angels.

You can imagine my deep anxiety when not one but two of my children recently came home complaining of aches and pains. First, my son showed up one afternoon having skipped his cross country practice declaring he wasn’t “feeling too hot.” He had a fever of 103. I sent him to his room where he spent the next four days battling a high fever, a sore throat, a headache, and a mild cough. He returned to school on the fifth day, fever free but still coughing and weak. His illness reminded me of the flu the entire family had three years before. Horrible, but not life threatening. 

A week later, my daughter complained of a sore throat and earache. She was also nauseous and suffered mild diarrhea. She too stayed home for four days. She never had a fever but was uncomfortable. In both cases, the doctor diagnosed H1N1. She told us that it was a waste of time to get a blood test. In 100% of the cases her office had sent to the CDC for testing in the past month, no matter the symptoms, the patients had Swine Flu. “If you are sick right now, you have it,” was our doctor’s conclusion. 

Both my son and daughter survived the H1N1. They are weak and tired but they’ll live.   The good news is my youngest son has not gotten sick - yet. Do I vaccinate him now? Do I wait to see if he will get it? What if something really bad happens? What if he is the one in a thousand? Tell me, what’s a good mother to do? 

Alisha Whitfield's family had Swine Flu and she offers some great advice.

My new favorite “hypochondriac” Jenny blogs at Absolutely Bananas

Leave it to the Brits to write the funniest Swine Flu Blog 

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Lisen Stromberg 5 pts

Yesterday, my oldest and I went to his bi-annual check up. When I ask the pediatrician (whom I very much respect) her thoughts on H1N1 she was still in strong encouragement of getting the vaccine. Her point to me this time is that the risks of vaccinating have been proven insignificant (ie: the population that got vaccinated in the fall were perfect guinea pigs - thank you all very much) and that Swine Flu is making its way around again. This may be true as many of my children's friends have been out with what looks like Swine Flu symptoms.
Still not sure my plan of action - wait and see seems to be working so far. The difference now is that the vaccine is readily available. Oh, maternal guilt, you ablatross you.

Gloria Steinem once said, "The first problem for all of us, women and men, is not to learn but to unlearn." I am working on unlearning each and every day. How about you?
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mrsL 5 pts

...so now it's mid-April. The vaccine didn't show up here until mid-winter. There were a few stampedes to get the vaccine and then nothing. When stores and health care facilities did get the vaccine it seemed there was no longer an interest. My local Walgreens still has a sign out - H1N1 here!

And we never got the shot and no one got sick. In fact we had a very healthy winter and spring so far!

Elena,

"If you bungle raising your children, nothing else much matters." Jackie Kennedy

Lisen Stromberg 5 pts

All the good advice, the pros and cons, the hashing and haranguing, will do our family no good. We can't even get the vaccine around here for at least another month according to our doctor. This only means I have more time to consider and decide what is right for us. In the meantime, I came across this hilarious video you might want to share with your younger children. My new favorite mensch is Dr. Seibert. 

http://inr.mediaseed.tv/CignaH1N1_37059/.

Stay healthy.

"The first problem for all of us, women and men, is not to learn but to unlearn." - Gloria Steinem

Lisen

Love Viktor 5 pts

I too am on the fence I would normally never get a flu vaccine eventhough I work in the medical field.  I do believe in the body's ability to build a natural immunity to an illness, but I no longer have myself to think of I lost my first child through miscarriage, and when I finally got pregnant again I almost lost my son.  He just turned 4 months this week and although I don't want to get the H1N1 vaccine I've realized its not about me anymore.  So, tomorrow i'll stand in line like everyone else and hope nothing bad happens when I get vaccinated. 

Wish me luck       

daisymayfattypants 5 pts

If it were, my children would have inherited from me my PhD and postdoctoral training, both in biomedical sciences. And I guess I myself would be a linguistics professor, thanks to my mother's expertise. But I'm not. I'm a biologist with the 8 years of post-baccalaureate eddymacation of my own to back it up.

What I state about the immune system is wholly accurate, and I've got the education and training and textbooks and decade of university teaching experience to demonstrate that. Vaccines are not considered "external immunity"; perhaps you mean to say exogenous triggers of immunity? The skin is the only thing I could think of that you might mean as something that might be considered an external form of immunity, given that it is our external, first-line, non-specific defense against invaders, both in terms of mechanical interference and antimicrobial activity.

I'm not sure how my "approach" could be anything but "one sided" as I am only one person and thus just have the one side to offer. Of course, I can see different "sides" of things, but I also know where the facts lie. I'm bringing scientific facts here, which I strive to do wherever I find inaccuracies or information that requires addressing. That's all. Once again, unless you or anyone else posting here is in some way a disadvantaged population that I am sadistically and willfully taking advantage of, this is not a situation of bullying. In my world of science and medicine, we call this a "discussion." Strangely, you're among a handful so far who've seen fit to attack me personally when I've made no personal attacks whatsoever, yet also who see fit to call me the bully. I welcome further discussion.

Cheers! Emily

Clamo88 5 pts

Having a father who is a pharmacist of 40+ years, I am simply going to say that the information you provide is simply inaccurate in many ways.

While I can understand supporting the benefits of vaccinations, your attack on the power of the body's natural immune system simply makes you sound silly. What I mean by "external immunities" is vaccinations... not the skin (???). You contradict yourself in so many ways I am dizzy. Your "science" is clearly no more than picking and choosing terminology off the internet. Any good scientist is able to acknowledge the benefits of both sides, while still making their point. You are clearly unable to do this.

I have simply tried to make the point that there is a large percentage of the population that does not need a vaccine, and can benefit from allowing their own immunities to strengthen naturally. I have clearly supported vaccination when neccessary. Your one-sided "bully" approach disqualifies you from having any credibility.

I'm not going to bicker minute points with you, as I have better things to do.

I simply hope that anyone else who reads this will consider their natural immunities and how to strengthen & best utilize them.

daisymayfattypants 5 pts

"The native immune response it the ONLY immune response without a counter/negative effect. All medicines, while usually superior in what they are intended for, have an alternate negative impact on our bodies. I personally prefer to avoid this "side effect" whenever possible. Additionally, vaccinations, especially the flu vaccinations have a serious shortcoming when it comes to protecting the body from a new strain of the virus, which, by the way, manifests often. The body's natural immunities, if strong and active, can adapt qucikly to new viruses. If the body becomes reliant on an exterior immunity, the natural immunity becomes lazy and less effective."

There is not any physiological entity known as "exterior immunity" unless you're referring to your skin here. The "natural" immune response exerts a spectrum of negative effects, from allergies to death. The "natural" immune response is responsible for deaths from any number of infectious agents, including Ebola and the "Spanish" flu. It is the native immune response to these infections that is so strong that it actually destroys the body it's supposed to be defending (hence the deaths among the young with the Spanish flu), leading to massive hemorrhaging. The "native" immune response is notorious for its negative effects, including a roster of autoimmune disorders, some of which are triggered by viral infection, and many of which are disabling or fatal, not because of a pathogen but because of the body's own immune response. 

Your immune system is not a muscle that you can work out ahead of time to ward off invaders. It relies on two cell classes, both of which produce memory cells to recall previously encountered antigens. Your immune system does not care whether it encountered those triggering antigens via a vaccine or via the actual pathogen in order to form the memory. Does. Not. Matter. And your immune system does not "adapt quickly to new viruses" after a good immunity workout. It either has an existing antibody structure in the variable regions to counter an antigen, or it does not and must run some trial and error tests. This is not faith. It is science.

Flu vaccines do not "have a serious shortcoming when it comes to protecting the body from a new strain of the virus, which, by the way, manifests often." They are designed a priori based on predictions of prevalent strains for the upcoming season. They do not have serious shortcomings in efficacy against "new viruses" (i.e., strains) that they are designed to target. They do not, of course, have much efficacy against strains that they are not designed to target. Given that the manufacturing process requires the decisionmaking several months before we actually know which strains will prevail, yes, sometimes the vaccine will target a strain that ends up being less prevalent. But you know what that means? There are several strains going around, and you could theoretically get them all unless you're vaccinated against at least some of them. For our family, that's not just theory--we've been hit by two separate strains in a single season before getting vaccines. Influenza virus is notoriously quick to evolve, and public health authorities operate within the current technological constraints to keep up with it. The effort is actually quite successful. For several years in a row now, my children have had their flu vax, and as children all around them missed a week or two weeks of school, my children (and their elderly grandparents, my at-risk asthmatic mother, and their infant cousins) remained unaffected.

And just for the record, for many people, their "natural immunities" are NOT "strong and active." They are suppressed because of underlying disorders or drug therapies. Vaccination isn't just about protecting you. It's also about protecting the community.

Cheers! Emily

mrsL 5 pts

if the choice is between reading your fabulous expert input goes or skipping the online gleeful bullying,  I guess that's a risk I'm willing to take.  Sort of like taking that silly H1N1 shot. 

Elena,

"If you bungle raising your children, nothing else much matters." Jackie Kennedy

daisymayfattypants 5 pts

isn't it, all this about a disease that only kills a relative few people? A hoot, that. 

Cheers! Emily

Clamo88 5 pts

 "I personally don't see where faith in the native immune response to wild-type pathogens has much to do with the realities of physiology or population-level responses to outbreaks."

Really? I personally think it has everything to do with this, and much more. I think it goes all the way down to the very root of preventative medicine. The native immune response it the ONLY immune response without a counter/negative effect. All medicines, while usually superior in what they are intended for, have an alternate negative impact on our bodies. I personally prefer to avoid this "side effect" whenever possible. Additionally, vaccinations, especially the flu vaccinations have a serious shortcoming when it comes to protecting the body from a new strain of the virus, which, by the way, manifests often. The body's natural immunities, if strong and active, can adapt qucikly to new viruses. If the body becomes reliant on an exterior immunity, the natural immunity becomes lazy and less effective.

Which brings me right back to my concern about the lack of discussion about natural immunities. Maybe if the greater poulation had more faith in the bodies natural strength and how to best utilize it, we wouldn't have the widespread panic attack response to a relatively mild seasonal flu virus.

daisymayfattypants 5 pts

Maybe the question was, as has been stated, not a serious one. 

My response to, "Should we vaccinate?" is "Yes, we should, where reasonable." The thing is, in the case of vaccination, the choice is a real one. In the case of adults online "bullying" other adults...not so much. This isn't a playground or a workplace. You're free to go, engage, walk away, hang aloof, be satirical, or take notes for a novel.

And since there are no truly rhetorical questions, I'll answer yours. Yes, of course, I'm just fine with people ignoring me. Naturally, then they miss out on all the fabulous expert input I have to offer that sets the record straight and restores some sanity to the viral outbreaks that threaten the relevance of reading anything regarding science and medicine on the Web.

Didn't Jackie Onassis smoke and feed her children hamburgers and hotdogs every day?

Cheers! Emily

mrsL 5 pts

"can we bully" because clearly you can.  The question is should we?  

My response is no, you shouldn't.

You apparently think you can and should and that the onus is on the reader to just ignore you. Which is fine, but do you really want people skipping your comments and posts? A rhetorical question that I'm just throwing out there.

Elena,

"If you bungle raising your children, nothing else much matters." Jackie Kennedy

daisymayfattypants 5 pts

Yes, I'm kidding about bullying people. I don't think consenting adults on the Internet can "bully" one another. If you don't like what someone is saying, tune them out, walk away, or counter it. It's that easy.

Regarding the question of natural immunity, the immune response is natural, regardless of the trigger. Do you mean to ask about "natural" triggers of immunity? Because the principle of vaccination is the same, minus all that stuff about encephalitis, pneumonia, permanent deafness, paralysis, et al. I personally don't see where faith in the native immune response to wild-type pathogens has much to do with the realities of physiology or population-level responses to outbreaks.

Cheers! Emily

daisymayfattypants 5 pts

Ah, but you see, Elena, I can. No matter what another woman (or man) tells me on them there Internets, I can still do what I feel is fit and right to do. And so can you. And so can any other woman or man who engages in any other conversation. It's called Being a Grownup. Not only can I do it, but I can blog about it, argue about it, confer about it, and exchange information about it.

Did you just bully me? No. You just offered me your opinion, freely. And I can choose not to accept your suggestion or even your sidelong implication that I'm not a "thinking" person because my values and thought processes obviously differ in this regard and I will make my own judgments in that context.

Cheers! Emily

Shannon Des Roches Rosa 5 pts

I suspect Emily is partially kidding, and views "bullying" about vaccinations as akin to parents "bullying" kids into wearing their seatbelts.

And I don't think there is real bullying going on here (though framing it as such does make for an interesting story) but rather intelligent people having an intense debate.

Read the links, be informed, don't be intimidated, and remember that that flu vaccinations can be a matter of life or death for the vulnerable. And, as @HeresAGem ( http://twitter.com/HeresAGem ) wrote, wash your hands often!

Shannon Des Roches Rosa
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CanISitWithYou.org ( http://www.canisitwithyou.org ) real tales of schoolyard terror and triumph
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mrsL 5 pts

No Emily you can't.  There have been enough medical/public health debacles over the past 50 years to make any thinking person be a little hesitant about jumping on the latest bandwagon.  Whether or not someone gets the swine flu vaccine isn't going to affect you much or at all and it appears the entire thing might be a moot point in some areas anyway since there isn't enough vaccine to go around anyway.

Elena,

"If you bungle raising your children, nothing else much matters." Jackie Kennedy

Clamo88 5 pts

My family has never had a flu shot - and we won't get the H1N1 shot either.

I'm interested in why there is not more discussion about allowing our bodies to build up it's own immunities? Don't get me wrong, my kids have gotten all the required vaccinations, but I don't understand the flu shot theory. It is simply not a life threatening illness - in the vast majority of cases. Although my family very rarely gets sick, I also hold off on antibiotics whenever possible. Usually, if someone does get sick, we are very careful aboout staying home, sleeping, fluids, medicine (over the counter) and healthy food. Within a few days, the sickness is gone, and we usually do not get sick for the rest of the year. The natural immunities kick in and do their job.

As far as "exposure" - when someone in our family gets sick they stay home. Period. No "wait and see how bad it gets", we stay home and kick it before it gets bad. We also wash our hands with soap often. I have a lot of faith in the strength of our bodies natural immunties. If one of us were to get seriously ill, I would use every available resource medicine has to offer, don't get me wrong. Nonetheless, I have a great confidence that our chances of getting terribly ill are lower, and if we do become ill, our bodies will have a better natural defense to aid the power of medicine. 

daisymayfattypants 5 pts

...them for dropping their social responsibility ball?

Cheers! Emily

Catherine Morgan 5 pts

I've just posted on my feelings about how this controversy is turning some moms into bullies.

This is my response ( http://www.catherine-morgan.com/2009/11/02/swine-f... ) to seeing so many bloggers and commenters turning the “choice” to vaccinate for H1N1, into a free for all hate fest against moms who are “choosing” not to vaccinate.

Swine Flu:  H1N1 Vaccine Pitting Mom Against Mom ( http://www.catherine-morgan.com/2009/11/02/swine-f... )

Contributing Editor Catherine Morgan
at Catherine-Morgan.com ( http://catherine-morgan.com/ ) and Women4Hope ( http://women4hope.wordpress.com/ )

Expat Mum 5 pts

BTW, I've just read through the Wired article (see two above for the link) and it's excellent. Recommended reading.

Expat Mum 5 pts

As the segment last night on Sixty Minutes said, it is developed in the same way as any other flu vaccine. There is no reason to be any more alarmed than you would be for a regular shot.

I have spent the weekend trying to educate myself and although I'm still on the fence, there doesn't seem to be a huge risk to  getting the shot. The one thing that did alarm me was the sceptics' statements which have never been proven, such as the autism link. There are a lot of questionable authorities out there slamming the vaccine and the "establishment" who have no business giving out medical advice. My pediatrician is a mother at my school and she firmly believes it's worth getting the shot. (Her office can't actually get hold of it so how she might be benefitting financially I don't know - in answer to the kickback argument.) In addition, I have been giving my kids Vitamin D as well as other supplements, and they still all got a really bad cold a few weeks ago.

As has been mentioned, not only does it affect kids under 20 the most, even if you're not hospitalized it really takes it out of you and the recovery is also slow. With a high schooler who's already been off twice with a bad cold, she just can't afford any more time off school.

If you're on the fence and think that the risk of side effects is minimal, why wouldn't you give them a chance to avoid a really nasty illness?

babarnard 5 pts

I straddled the fence on this decision forever.  Once we decided to get it, I couldn't find it.  After an almost 3 hour wait mine son finally got one today!  I wrote about our experience here.   I just knew that if my 14 month old son had a bad case of it I would never forgive myself.  Someone decribed to me as the vaccination being the lesser of the two evils.  As horrible as that is I kinda agree. 

http://www.babarnard.com/blog/index.php?m=10&y...

I have found parenting brings a lot of tough decisions.

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jessicamaylords 5 pts

I find this really frustrating as well...  I work as a medical receptionist, and so many older patients are demanding they get the vaccine as soon as possible.  When they're told they are simply not at risk in the same way that children, pregnant women, and health workers are, they get angry at us.  However, we stick to our guns; it's very unfortunate that other medical clinics to not.  I'm sorry it was so difficult for you to get the vaccine!  We are hopefully getting ours in today and will start with health workers on Monday, and then pregnant women, children-24 years old, anyone who works or lives with kiddos who are young, and THEN people who are over 25 with a chronic medical condition. That's what is supposed to happen.  I'm sorry it didn't go better for you!

daisymayfattypants 5 pts

My answer to this question? A good mother and a good member of society will vaccinate where possible. It's not just about you and your child and whether or not your child will be just fine with getting the H1N1 flu. There are large, vulnerable populations including pregnant women and young children and adults with chronic conditions who are dying from this flu. Do you really want to weigh your child's presumptive mild case of the flu against having your child transmit it to someone who dies from it? That's an easy question for me.

I have had all three of my children vaccinated for H1N1 and for seasonal flu, both of which vaccines are produced the same way. This is not the "swine flu" vaccine of the '70s. It's no different in production from the regular flu vax. The life you save may not be your child's, but someone else's child. Is that not significant?

There is no link--no link whatsoever--between autism and vaccines. We are an autism family, and we vaccinate. I have no intention of risking transmission of pertussis to an infant and causing its death just out of fear of not taking the responsibility to make well-informed risk-benefit decisions for my own children. Driving them every day in the car is more dangerous than having them vaccinated. And without question, the sequelae of the diseases against which we vaccinate--which include permanent brain damage and death--are far costlier and carry a greater risk than the vaccinations themselves. 

For an excellent writeup addressing parental fears fueled by vaccine myths, see Amy Wallace's piece in Wired magazine ( http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscie... ). Don't live in fear. Be informed. Do what's right, not just for your fear or even just for your children, but for the safety of others.

Cheers! Emily

Shannon Des Roches Rosa 5 pts

The "18 Reasons Not to Get the Vaccine" link cites many unsubstantiated claims, the most questionable of which is the "risk of autism." Here's one of the best explanations as to why parents wrongly attach autism to vaccinations -- when there is no evidence linking the two, and in fact vaccinations prevent one of the few known causes of autism, rubella (German measles).

The ABCs of MMR & DTP:
Is There an Association Between Vaccination and Autism?
http://www.pkids.org/im_vs_abcs.php ( http://www.pkids.org/im_vs_abcs.php )

Though I understand this thread is specific to the H1N1 vaccine, if you bring up autism and vaccinations, then general vaccination fearmongering needs addressing.

Shannon Des Roches Rosa
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CanISitWithYou.org ( http://www.canisitwithyou.org ) real tales of schoolyard terror and triumph

mrsL 5 pts

It is very possible that your son has built up a natural immunity just by being around his siblings.  If it were me I'd just encourage good hand washing and common sense in crowded areas with him and forgo the vaccine. 

I am not getting the vaccine, nor am I getting it for my five minor children.

18 reasons not to get the vaccine. ( http://www.newswithviews.com/guest_opinion/guest15... )

Russell Blaylock MD on the H1N1 ( http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/ )

Elena,

"If you bungle raising your children, nothing else much matters." Jackie Kennedy

myturtledove 5 pts

Its a topic that has left most moms sleepless and anxious. As a pregnant woman and mother of a 28 month old, I thought I would loe my mind looking for this vaccine. While getting vaccinating, I heard horrpr stries of 6 week old babies that have died and a teenager who never woke up. And the way the CDC has gone about administring this vaccine has been rediculous. I was able to get my daughter vaccinated at her pediatrician, and there I with my huge belly asking if I could get a dose only to be told that I would be a liability in a pediatricians office, sorry. So, I called around to surrounding cities to find the vaccine about an hour away. I did the whole 2 hour long process and it wasnt all that bad. The thing that bothered me was that the sheet I held in my hand naming the top at-risk people included pregnant women and preschoolers. Then I looked around the room to find that the majority of the folks there were seniors or elderly. I'm not judging for we all have our conditions, but after being rejected as a pregnant woman by an OB, local health department, primary care doctor and even oncologist, I found it bothersome that those who are suppossed to be at the bottom of the list first in line.

amygeekgrl 5 pts

Great post.

I feel like there is a lot of FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) out there regarding H1N1 right now. Only the worst cases make the news, not the thousands of ppl who have it and are sick for a few days or even a cpl weeks, but are ultimately fine. I don't plan on vaccinating against it, but I respect those who do. We all have to do our research and decide what makes the most sense for our families.

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Karen Rani 5 pts

After a lengthy weighing and many doubts and fears, I made the decision to vaccinate our kids only because my oldest getting H1N1 seems more dangerous to him than the vaccine.  He has an aneurysm in his heart and I hope hope hope I made the right decision.

As it is he has reacted quite negatively to the vaccine (feverish, coughing, no appetite, lathargic), but all those symptoms are subsiding tonight and we are resting easier now.  I'm still certain that despite the symptoms, this was a far better option for him than the actual flu.

Blogged it here: I Hope I Made The Right Choice ( http://www.karensugarpants.com/2009/10/i-hope-i-ma... )

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phdinparenting 5 pts

It isn't available in my area yet and I am still on the fence. As much as I can't imagine sitting next to a hospital bed thinking "I should have vaccinated", I also can't imagine sitting next to a hospital bed thinking "I shouldn't have vaccinated".

To me the priority groups they have set here seem backwards. At least with regards to kids versus adults. They have tested the vaccine to some degree on adults. Not on children. Adults ages 40 to 55 are most likely to die from the swine flu, but they are not on the priority list for the vaccine, young children are. So they want me to vaccinate my young children with a vaccine that hasn't been tested on kids even though they have an excellent chance of surviving them swine flu of they get it.

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Houseonahill 5 pts

When the public stops eating beef, I will vaccinate my family.

The symptoms are the same as a bout with e-coli. Which can be deadly if you are in a immune compromising situation. I don't see anyone this upset about the state of our food safety!

If only we could get this upset about how we allow manufaturers to treat our food and what we allow them to put in our mouths!

If you do not typically vaccinate for every new craze, use the same decision making skills you always do. Fear is taking over, and quite frankly, I really don't feel like being scared.

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jessicamaylords 5 pts

My husband got swine flu in September, and I work in a doctor's office, and I'm STILL not sure if I want to get vaccinated...  It's such a difficult decision to make!  My worry is not so much about myself; if I get it, I don't think I'll die.  My husband was very very sick and got pneumonia and had to go to the ER, but he's still alive.  He was very weak for at least a month, though.  We're planning on trying to start a family in the next 6-9 months, and I'm worried about lingering vaccine in my body.  I know that's weird, but I just don't feel comfortable with any drugs being passed to a tiny little baby, and I don't know how long the vaccine will remain in my body.

It's a scary scary thing.  Not even a mommy yet but already worried for future tiny babies.

If you're interested in reading about a scary H1N1 case (my hubs, in fact), I wrote about our ordeal here:

Like the Dawn... ( http://jessicamaylords.blogspot.com/2009/09/healin... )

It's pretty sappy, I should warn you.... I really thought I was going to lose him after only two years of marriage.

Lisen Stromberg 5 pts

So the saga continues... I got home tonight after school to find my husband in bed with a sore throat and headache. I've now sequestered him. My youngest and I are the only holdouts. I have a call into our beloved doc to find out the availability of the vaccine. I am still not sure what I will do if it is available but just knowing it is there will give me some sense of control.

Thank you to all who have weighed in. The dialogue reminds me that we all do our best to be good mothers. At the end of the day, we must make peace with our individual decisions and have compassion and respect for the decisions of others.

Be well!

Lisen

Tserisa 5 pts

I'm afraid Mercola is not a reliable source. Natural health measures definitely have their place. However, treating modern medicine as a conspiracy is being blind to the science behind it.

Pharm companies make their big bucks off lifestyle meds (diabetes, cholesterol, etc.), not off one-time shots like vaccines.

People die of the flu every year. Lots of people. Getting both a seasonal flu shot and an H1N1 shot will help slow the spread of the disease.

And yes, the people who are dying of H1N1 are those with health problems already -- that's how the flu kills. Their already weakened bodies can't fight the flu -- but it really is the flu they're dying of, and they wouldn't have died if they hadn't caught it.

That means we must do all we can to protect the people who are medically fragile from getting this -- including vaccinating ourselves so that we aren't carrying it around to people with asthma, immune deficiencies, and other health problems.

LucindaA 5 pts

We've had H1N1 run rampant through our  small town and our county twice already.  Last Spring and now.  It ran through our elementary school and our family this month.  No one has died.  An extremely small percentage have been hospitalized.  The vast majority have been under 20 years old.  I just don't see this as any worse than the regular flu.  Yes, it's highly contagious but I don't see it as deadly.  I'm even starting to see reports in local newspapers with quotes from qualified medical people saying it's not really as bad as has been previously reported.  It's turning out to be quite mild relatively speaking.

I'm not saying don't vaccinate.  I'm not even going there.  But for our family we have chosen not too because I just don't see the need. 

jonniker 5 pts

Mercola is notoriously anti-vax -- any vax. And anti-pasteurization. And thinks vitamin D is a panacea to EVERYTHING, when yes, it's helpful, but it ain't chemotherapy or Tamiflu. So yes, you go off and Jim Henson yourself and drink raw milk, if that's what you're into.

And did you know that vaccines don't really make any money for the pharmaceutical companies? Yeah. It ain't a money maker, so put away THAT portion of your cospiracy theory.

The H1N1 shot is the same as the seasonal flu shot, just with a different strain. That is a fact. I examined the packaging myself.

I'm all for people making their own decisions, but I am not a fan of spreading lies, misinformation and, most importantly, extremely biased sources like Mercola like they're remotely credible.

Do you what YOU want, but spare people the bullshit propaganda.

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kwgpe 5 pts

I have been following a lot of info on "swine flu."  Don't believe everything you are told.  The CDC admits that they have not tested or recorded ACTUAL swine flu results since August.  When 4 states were thoroughly tested Florida had 14%, the other states had only 1% of all flu tests that were actual H1N1.  The CDC has started lumping together all flu and flu like illnesses into the same category as H1N1.  By doing this they can expedite the vaccinations hence making more money for pharmaceutical companies.  Not only are these vaccines not fully tested, but they have already shown severe side effects.  Many of the H1N1 deaths have been announced as such because the person HAD H1N1, although there have been other complications that have actually caused the deaths.  To top this off, the government and pharmaceutical companies CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE for anything that happens to you, you cannot sue them!  It's not worth the risk for a illness that is far less deadly than the yearly flu.  Check out www.mercola.com ( http://www.mercola.com ) , there are videos of his interview with the head of a vaccination awareness group.

FeeFiFoto 5 pts

with what is most likely swine flu (screw the pork producers -- I don't eat pork anyway) the doctor's office told me to get him the H1N1 vaccine if it's available because he could get the flu again, or some mutation of it, later this year.  The nurse told me that he can have the mist or the injection as long as his fever is below 100.5.

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Tserisa 5 pts

I'm getting vaccinated as soon as possible. An immune *community* is extremely important. A person who is vaccinated in a community of unvaccinated people is at more risk than an unvaccinated person in a vaccinated community. I work with kids, some of whom are medically fragile. I'm also going to college. Aside from not wanting to get sick myself -- everyone I know who has had it has said it was horrible -- I don't want to contribute to the spread, particularly to people who are at risk. And though it may seem silly to non-pet owners, I'm also worried about my parrot. Birds can catch it, and there's no treatment or vaccine for them, so I don't want the illness in my house.

It's not just about avoiding a horrible reaction to the flu. It's not just for people who are at risk of, say, dying. It's also about protecting those who are that we might be exposing if we get it. It's about minimizing the spread so that institutions like schools and businesses are better able to function (fewer sick days, etc.). And it's also just about not feeling terribly sick for a week!!

Unfortunately the vaccine seems a long time coming to my state. I can only hope it gets here before I catch it. It's going around my husband's work and my school. (They're telling all students to get it ASAP, as the sheer number of absences will cause issues.)

The risk is extremely extremely low that anything bad will come of the vaccine. The first article Shannon Des Roches Rosa ( http://www.blogher.com/haystackprofile/viewprofile... ) linked to is excellent.

PS: H1N1 continues to shed virus after the fever has broken. Unfortunately if your son did have H1N1 and was coughing after the fever broke, he was still contagious. The minimum recommended time to stay home after the fever breaks is 24 hours; to reduce the spread of virus, a whole week at home is recommended.

Stephanie ODea 5 pts

precisely for the reason Erin states above: I wouldn't be able to forgive myself if they were hospitalized because I chose not to.

Every doctor/specialist I've asked recommends getting it, and I've learned not to trust stuff I read on the internet. (ha!) :-)

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Catherine Morgan 5 pts

Hey Erin.  I'm most likely not getting my teens vaccinated (plus I think my son already had it at college).  Anyway, I would just reccommend that you get the injection rather than the nasal spray.  It may seem less tramatic to the kids to get the spray, but the spray is a LIVE virus and the injection is a dead virus (the same is true with the seasonal flu vaccines).  The thing about the spray is...It does something called shedding (which is code for spreading) for up to 21 days after receiving it.  So if you come in contact with anyone who has a compromised immune system (old people, sick people, etc) you can actually cause them to get the virus.  Here is a link...

http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2009/10/h1n1...

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Clamo88 5 pts

I wish I was more decisive and knew exactly what I was going to do! I talked about this on my own blog a few weeks ago (http://confessionsfromaworkingmom.blogspot.com/), and got a ton of responses from a lot of moms who had made up their minds one way or another, or, like me were still looking for guidance!

I work in TV news, and so it's my industry that's directly responsible for this "scaredemic" in a way. I'm not trying to downplay the outbreak, it can be potentially deadly, but each year 36,000 Americans die from the seasonal flu. So far this year (since April, actually), just 1,000 Americans have died from H1N1/swine flu. So really, what's the risk of something terrible happening if I vaccinate or if I *don't* vaccinate?

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womenonthefence 5 pts

Just like the title of my Blog, www.WomenOnTheFence.com ( http://www.womenonthefence.com/blog ), I too just don't know the right thing is to do. It's kept me up at night just thinking about the whole thing. I wrote a very similar post yesterday, and for now, I have opted out for my family. After much research, H1N1 is not much different than the regular flu, and I will try more alternative methods for keeping my family well.. for now! Unless of course I panick and chicken out and bring everyone for the shot!!

I don't have the answer. The truth is, we just don't know enough about this vaccine long term.

Good luck this flu season, Lisen. I wish us all, good luck,

Erica Diamond

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Shannon Des Roches Rosa 5 pts

I'm with Erin: once the vaccines are available, my family will get them. Why? The best recent writing on the importance of vaccinations is Amy Wallace's Wired story: An Epidemic of Fear: How Panicked Parents Skipping Shots Endangers Us All:

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscie...
Read her article, then check out the nasty and irrational reactions from the Antivax camp:

http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/10/wired-magazine-...
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2...
Who would you take advice from? Seriously?

We all know that there are very good reasons (too young, immune deficiencies, anaphylactic allergies) why some people cannot be vaccinated -- all the more reason for those who can to demonstrate social responsibility, and get jabbed.

Shannon Des Roches Rosa
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Leslie Madsen Brooks 5 pts

I'm absolutely going to vaccinate.  My son and I have had the seasonal flu vaccine in previous years (and this year as well), and this vaccine is developed using the same safe, tried-and-true methods.

My son probably already had H1N1 this fall, but they're not testing for it here as the swab test is only 50% accurate.  Accordingly, I'm planning to vaccinate him anyway.

Leslie

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AlexCaseyBaby 5 pts

I went for it after doing my due dilligence.  I actually blogged about it today as well... http://workathomemom.typepad.com/the_daily_grind_o...

Erin Kotecki Vest 5 pts

My pediatrician is out. But I always feel like if I can protect them, with minimal risk, why wouldn't I? Some parents disagree on the amount of risk, but I haven't seen solid proof yet. At least nothing that isnt' the same as any other drug on the market. 

I just can't imagine sitting next to a hospital bed thinking 'I should have vaccinated' ... 

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