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Women, Stop Saying You Hate Math

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Every time I see a comment or a post from a woman stating that she can’t do math or hates math I just cringe. This is one cultural meme I would like to see stomped into the pavement. Take a step back and look at what we affirm.

There are generations of people saying “I don’t understand math.” “I hate math.” “Math is hard.” Yet we are the same people that buy cars, homes and financial services. We are also the same people who elect other math illiterates to city, state and federal position to manage government financial affairs.

How are we doing? Perhaps we should think about learning math from another perspective. This is a video by Christine ALSP with her scene stealing feline co-star Buddy talking about her math anxiety and what she is going to do about it.

We do understand math concepts. What we might not have is the math language and literacy skills to express it. Part of the reason for that is we might not have had the kind of instruction that was compatible with our learning style.

Let Me Give You An Example

As an 8-year-old girl, I knew that if I had 25 cents I could purchase an issue of Captain America and The X-Men comic books. I also knew that I would have five cents left over for a Chunky Bar. I would need X amount of soda bottles to obtain said treasures at two-and-a-half cents per bottle.

I guarantee you that I probably failed dozens of tests that contained word problems with a variation of the above example. For me, a portion of my math learning is visual and tactile. Not auditory or repetition (rote) learning.

Want to take a guess as to the primary method used in my education? Yes, auditory and repetition.

I am not suggesting simplifying learning basic arithmetic and math skills. I’m saying you have to put the skill into place before you can build on it. Before you can test a child for competency, shouldn’t you insure that there is cognition?

Boy with Educational Blocks

In order to stop creating the legions of adults who profess math abhorrence, are in debt themselves but want a voice in fixing the budget, we have to come out of denial and deal with the problem.

So is it too late? Is there only one way to learn math and math concepts? Heck no! Not anymore. I'm proposing a reclamation project. Let’s reclaim our rightful access to math skills.

One of the ways to take the stink out of learning a concept is to play a game. Denise at Let’s Play Math has a phenomenal amount of handouts, worksheets and ideas about incorporating math concepts into play and game activities.

Denise has a lot of good idea generators, but what if you are not in front of a computer? If you have an iPhone/iPod Touch you have applications that you can download to develop your math skills.

PopMath from PopSoft is an iPhone/iPod Touch application that blends the joy of popping bubble wrap with brushing up on basic skills. If you go to the Web site, you can sample the application in your browser for free but minus the popping sound.

PalaSoft is a similar application called Math Tables in a flash card format. Your job is to match the question with the answer.
iPhone ApplicationMath Drills Lite would have been great for me. Visually seeing and doing goes a long way with when it comes to math. There is a paid version that has more functionality.

Online Games, Interactive Tutorials and Resources

Ms. Mathematician uses games to build math skills in her classroom. One of the games she likes to use is called Pentago.

Pentago is a board game but there is a free online version that you can check out. The goal is simple: Get five in a row. The challenge is that the board moves each turn.

Another resource, Calculation Nation, has math games that can be played solo or with other people from around the world.

Math Tutorials

There are an abundance of math tutorials on the Internet. These are a few examples, but if one style of instruction doesn’t work for you, try another and another until you find

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idearella 5 pts

We all should stop saying it, but sometimes it isn't that easy. For various reasons women and men have math blocks. Mostly, I would venture, because of a bad experience as a kid.

I've just started my blog Math Is Not a Four Letter Word (at the url with the same name or www.mathfour.com ( http://www.mathfour.com ) for short) to tackle just this.

You don't have to love math. Hating it is okay, as long as it is hate not based in fear (which means it wouldn't be hate... and that's the key).

Bon

Gena Haskett 6 pts

It doesn't have to be just math but you gave a perfect example. If there is a cultural or social value in bragging about your math inability people are going to keep doing it.

Which community is larger? The ones that don't understand or the ones that do?

When I first wrote this post I was amazed at how many folks really had strong feelings about math. I think it is more of a reflection of how poorly math education is practiced across the country.

It could change with the right instruction, approach or positive reinforcement from friends and community. Or a really good number song that you can dance to.

I'm open to all options.

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mathmystic 5 pts

Being an educator, curriculum developer, and math tutor, I have encountered many math-phobic children and adults. Often a parent would explain his/her child's attitude/ability towards the subject as though it had been genetically transmitted. I don't fault genetics.

It is not popular to like math. Those that do are regularly labeled as geeks or nerds. Frequently we learn that the attractive newscaster on TV, or the wealthy, famous celebrity they're interviewing did not do well at math. Therefore, I was not surprised when the subject was again maligned this morning. Matt Lauer interviewed Michael Brewer, a 16 year-old burn survivor. The veteran newsman posed the question, "Do you have any limitations?" The swift response came from the boy's mother, "Yes, math." Matt quickly added, "Yes, that's true for many others too."

My husband, Len, has an anecdote about an experience he had in second grade. By the time his regular teacher was absent, it had been recognized that he was precocious in math. She had been giving him more advanced material. The substitute, unaware of this, gave him the same work as the rest of the class. He cautiously approached her, asking for something more difficult. The following dialogue ensued. Len: Could I please have other, harder math? Substitute: Why? Len: This is too easy and I like math. Substitute: How can you like math? Nobody likes math.

Why do many people refer to math as their least favorite subject? That is definitely not the case with my family. My children are adults now. All three have pursued fields that involve math and science. When asked how this happened, Len, an actuary, and I explain that we have/had a math household. When the children were little, math problems were seen as games and diversions. Math came to be a source of both entertainment and fun. That outcome is my hope for every student. That is the responsibility of a good educator.

haleysred93 5 pts

Thank you for sharing this article. As a full-time Math Tutor, I hear it all the time and I completely agree that some students just need to approach the concepts practically rather than academically.

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Stephanie V.W. Lucianovic 9 pts

And mathematicians are always portrayed as crazy, cold and unfeeling, or socially stunted (Numb3ers is guilty of this at times, too), which is even more infuriating.

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

Absolutely one of the carriers of permission of being comfortable not learning math. The TV show CSI uses a bunch of math but people only see the sexy equipment and the images.

 Cooking show, home building shows with math up the wazoo but you will only hear fractions on certain hard core home repair shows.

 In fiction television - except for Numb3rs is is all disrespect all the time.

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Stephanie V.W. Lucianovic 9 pts

I know I'm taking this a step further, but I'd really like pop culture to stop blindly perpetuating a math hate.

I'm married to a mathematician who adores math and he cringes every time a movie, television show, commercial, etc. uses math as the big bad buggaboo that EVERYONE hates.

I'm sure plenty of people hate reading, or poetry, or geography, but for some reason, those subject areas don't get tarred and feathered as much as math.

Maria Young 5 pts

I wouldn't mind one bit if you were implying something - anything to maybe help or figure out what this is! Many of those symptoms of Dyscalculia applied to me, weird. I've never heard of that before. I filled out the form, waiting on the email.

It's been a lifelong struggle with me. I skated through elementary and middle school because I was in the academically gifted class from 4th grade on and we were taught and graded differently than the other students. I remember logistically working my way through algebra in 4th grade, even though I didn't know how to long divide. I just treated the problems like problems and figured them out, rather than learning the methods to solve them. Then in high school, I was shit outta luck, really. There were no more workarounds or figuring things out.

Today, if you hit me with a fraction and I'm likely to start seizing. Some of it is fear, yes, but I know from experience that even when I work past that, it's still just plain ol' I can't do it.

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Blaubaer 5 pts

Thanks for an interesting read.  I really like how you gave us a list of games!  I play blokus sometimes.

Personally, I find there's no cure to my feelings of inadequacy with regard to mathematics, and this is something that makes it less enjoyable for me.  It doesn't matter how much I study it, I always feel like I'm no good at it. 

I'm actually a mathematician (sort of - a postdoc) but don't think I will stay one because sometimes I can't concentrate on my work.  I'm too busy thinking how I'm not good enough.  Maybe that's because in my case, it's true.  But math is addictive.  I suppose I have a kind of love-hate relationship with it. 

Gena Haskett 6 pts

You might want to keep that joy of helping with math on the down low because your home could get very popular between 4 and 6pm, Homework Standard Time.

 I'd rather have you as a doctor than an actuary. Thanks for reading.

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drlori71 5 pts

I always loved math. I took honors & AP math classes. People complained about calculus, physics and statistics but I liked those classes. If I wasn't a doctor, I'd probably be an accountant or actuary. I can't wait to help my sons with their math homework! 

Liz Henry 5 pts

I also love math! I don't sit around doing it, but I think it's fun. I remember Isaac Asimov's little book "Realm of Numbers" being particularly inspiring when I was a kid, because it  had lots of number tricks and simple explanations of complicated concepts.  

I also wish that math would be taught as something fun and powerful and useful - something you can play with, find patterns in, and apply to real life, not just in how to calculate interest or taxes but in recognizing ratios and things like fibonacci numbers!

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Jozet at Halushki 5 pts

It's much more okay for kids to say "I hate math and won't learn it" than for kids to say "I hate reading and won't learn how to do it." That's at the very base level. I understand that they are different disciplines that use different parts of the brain (kinda/sorta), but at another level, because at some point kids need to make the switch from "learn to read" to "read to learn" in order to progress in school, learning to read - no matter how many kids might hate it - is non-negotiable.

Some kids have a knack for reading; some kids need to work waaaaaaaaay harder than others to just understand basic phonics. But we don't say, "Oh well, if you hate it, just learn the alphabet and some diphthongs and ask someone else to read the menu for you for the rest of your life."

Sure, the practical answer to the "why should I learn math" question isn't always as immediately evident. But I will say that as a writer, two things that have helped me the most were diagramming sentences and the logic exercises of algebra. (Don't judge me by my spelling. ;-)  ) Both a sort of equation.

At the very least, yes, as many have said, no matter my own relationship with math, I need to be very careful what I say out loud. Similar to how I try not to talk about my weight or looks in negative or critical ways around my daughters, I try never to say, "I'm just not good at that". Instead, I try to be clear in saying, "That's something I have made the choice to not work as hard at learning." I've seen less obviously capable people pull themselves together and work hard to do the impossible; if there is a gene for "not good at math", I'd like it to remain a secret for the time being.  The placebo effect of "work hard at it and don't give up" is doing us fine.

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

Oh my. Could we move from deep passionate hate to perhaps a strong dislike? 

Could there be deep breathing as we repeat - Math can't hurt me and I'm  ok?

 Ladies, I knew the hate was deep but it is ok. This is doable. We can take the boogie man out of math.

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

I've been thinking about this all day in-between busting rocks at the day job. Take or dispose of any idea that doesn't fit you or somebody you know. Really, no credibility here and I would implore anyone to speak with a Librarian to help find resources and contacts.  

So one of the questions I  have is "What are the traits of people who have problems in math?" 

Over at PBS.org, in support of the documentary, Misunderstood Minds, there is a section about the different ways that folks have problems with learning and understanding math ( http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/misunderstoodminds/mathdif... ). 

I also found a page that gives ideas about math study skills ( http://adult-education.suite101.com/article.cfm/ma... ) for adult learners. And Drexel University has a bunch of resources at their Math Library http://mathforum.org/library ( http://mathforum.org/library/ )

Then I came across a word I hadn't considered before, Dyscalculia ( http://www.dyscalculia.org/symptoms.html ) and checked out the symptoms of that perceptual difficulty. I repeat, I'm not saying or implying anything. Nope. Nada. But it might be something to consider or investigate. 

Again, just putting out possible ideas to investigate.

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buhrenah 5 pts

I actually made a profile on here just to say that.  I hate math.  I hate numbers.  I hate sequences of things that combine letters with numbers.  I hate little exercises that have no practical application with words I've never heard.  I hate it ALL, with passion and venom.  Enough that the sight of my daughter's first grade math homework fills me with anger and anxiety. 

I will do my best to not acknowledge math and when kiddo goes into second grade, I'm going to make it clear to her teacher that I do not acknowledge math and not to send the homework home. 

If it were possible to "kill" math, I'd do it.  You're welcome.

p.s.  I do realize that I am being fairly immature... I don't care.  THAT is how much I hate math.

KLETCO 5 pts

I grew up as a total bookworm.  I read all the time.  I still do.  Just like reading, math is a tool.  The payoff for reading is better (at least for me) than for math.  I mean, once I learned HOW to read, I had the joy of sitting down with a good book and getting a great story.  The practicing part of reading was fun for me.  There was a huge payoff to learn how to read.

Math, though - I didn't start liking it until I had that same payoff.  I love calculating how the interest is compounding in my checking account, or seeing how much I'm saving at a store.  No problem calculating how much profit I'm making on a business transaction.  In school, this was all theory.  I wasn't actually GETTING that money, so the payoff wasn't there.  I'm thinking we need to start putting kids into real world situations with money -- then we can see some math skills happen! :)

AprilH 5 pts

Are numbers different from maths? Because numbers still irk me. I forget dates and I muddle up numbers all the time. Maths isn't so much a problem except for the fact that numbers are involved! I did my post grad studies in discrete maths and computer science so I really did have to learn a high level of maths, but I still don't like maths due to the number thing. Down with numbers!

Lilli 5 pts

I am so guilty. I was an English major and even though I excelled in math in all my of courses, I famously stated every chance that I could, "I can't stand math." Now that I realize more and more the importance of having at least basic math skills, math continues to play an even more important role in my life.  Since I am responsible for my own finances, creating a balanced budget for my income and expenses, and teaching others how to better manage their personal finances, I have had to make it work for me. Too, working with computer programs that require some type of input to get the desired results has made it necessary that I use some type of math skills on a daily basis. You have provided some excellent resources to take the "stink out of math" and I will share the message. Thanks for helping to spread the word. Awesome!

Gena Haskett 6 pts

I'm going to think about this for a bit. What do you do when you have tried, really tried and it won't come together? 

Math Anxiety, Math Empowerment and Math Literacy are three separate topics. They can be interrelated but at the heart of my post is reclaiming the right to Math Literacy. The ability to survive, function and protect yourself by using math skills. 

Let me do some snooping and I'll get back to you. I think this is a really good question. Might require another post.

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Maria Young 5 pts

I hatehatehate it. I'm still in college; I'm struggling with it currently. I have the absolute best instructor in the world, I'm pretty sure. She is smart, she is dedicated, she is flexible, she is amazing. She will work with me way past her scheduled hours - tutoring me, teaching me whatever way would work best for me to understand what I don't get, even if she would rather see it a different way.

And yet, every time I think I've gotten it, I get that test back with an awful grade and it knocks the wind out of me. So, she and I made the decision for me to drop the class and take it in the summer, when it moves at a slower pace. In the meantime I'm being proactive: I'm practicing with my text book, I have some of those apps, I spend a lot of time in MathLab.

It has nothing to do with me being a woman, this isn't an empowerment issue with me. I don't ever say "I AM WOMAN AND I HATE MATH!!" I just don't like math. At all. Any bit of it. It doesn't mean I don't do it, but I don't have to like it when I do. Stupid waitresses, expecting tips...

On the other hand, I'm trying to foster a love of math in my daughters. My Kindergartner so far adores it and picked up on addition and subtraction very easily. I'm hoping that she never has the problems I've had since 3rd grade (and also hoping that I understand it better by the time she needs my help). But it has nothing to do with them being girls. I would do the same if they were boys.

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youwanttoberich 5 pts

I used to love math (I was the school's bet for trigonometry) but life has led me away from it.  Now I realize the folly of wanting to follow a different path (please see post http://www.youwanttoberich.com/2009/08/18/accounti... and now I am trying to re-learn and re-love math.  I will seriously look into the i-phone applications you mentioned above and Denise's site.  More power!

Gena Haskett 6 pts

I declared I was going to be a photographer, I didn't need math. 

I ate those words months later when I found out about f-stops, ASA/ISO speeds and developing film. You'd think I'd learn but I said something similar to my Geometry teacher.

We move forward, one number at a time.

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Suzanne 5 pts

I feared and hated math as a kid.  When I was a junior in high school, I told my trig/algebra II teacher that I didn't need math because I was going to be a lawyer.  When I think about that now, I cringe.  I found that I really enjoy certain types of math, like the practical situation that you cite with understanding what 25 cents can buy you.  If I had not given up on math at a young age, I feel like I would have realized how interesting statistics are and other types of numbers play are.  In my days working at community development financial institutions, I always most enjoyed when I used my spreadsheets to figure out policy solutions or budgets.  When I use math to solve problems, I'm happy.  I wish I had focused more on that stuff when I was in school, and maybe I'd be more satisfied in my professional life today.  I would love to work on the census or demography, but I don't have the skills.

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biggirlblue 5 pts

I actually love(d) math in school. What I hated (and still hate) was the feeling of being rushed. Like if someone asked me to add 23 and 32 and stood there looking at me. I'd be all. Iya um er um. But put a math test in front of me. Oy! Loved it. Or even physics. I loved math and physics. I had the highest marks in both my classes and often received shocked remarks from the teachers (all male of course). Math is a skill that needs to be used often though. If you are not continually nurturing it then you lose it.

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

I'm not letting any of you math haters off the hook. When you are ready to stop losing money, time and wasted energy used by nurturing math hate come on back.

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girlvaughn 5 pts

I hate math. Hate. It. Math IS hard. For me. Going off to feel inadequate now. see ya!

dailyfuss 5 pts

Thanks, Gena. You're right about my math ability - numbers undeniably sneak in there. Your right about our education system and I wouldn't end the list of ineffective instruction at math. 

Education on the whole is a tough issue for me. Our first child is turning one this week and we have no clue where we're going to send her to school. We live in Chicago, in the city and we must either pay through the nose or move to find a decent school. And that just opens up a whole other can of worms. I want to raise an urban kid. [sigh] 

Gena Haskett 6 pts

If you are talking flat out Lima beans/okra level of hate then ok. So long as you are mathematically functionally literate I got no beef with you. Because if you are laying down wood flooring at some point a number or two is gonna pop-up that you have do deal with, calculator or no calculator. 

I will however continue to call people out who say they hate something without exploring why and the reason. My Fussy one, it appears you have done just that  with every piece of pipe you buy.  

Counselor, you have actually help to made my point. You say you hate the math but you have embedded math skills in some of the things you do and appreciate. No math in politics? Puleez. 

There has been and continues to be ineffective math education. Much of that is directed to female children but the fellas are not having a good time either.  

I will un-apologize my minor efforts to promote math literacy, math functionality and reducing one more thing that induces fear. 

I will, however, support your right to crab about it.

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dailyfuss 5 pts

At first you ask us to stop saying we hate math, but proceed to chastise us for silently hating it too. I unapologetically detest math, and I wouldn't even bother to mention this fact, except that now I feel the need to defend myself for not liking it.

I hate dealing with numbers - balance sheets, taxes and expense reports are particularly troublesome. I was an english and business major, worked through algebra and then dissed it academically.

I don't hate math because I am a woman. In fact, I hear just as many men say they "can't do math" as women. Maybe that's because I'm an attorney and am surrounded by people who will tell you that they went to law school because they hate math. Two plus two unequivocally equals four, no matter how zealously you advocate on five's behalf.

I do hear men (more often than women) discuss the fact that they are "terrible spellers" and that spell check and auto correct were invented for them. I find this appalling because to me, communication skills are more widely necessary than math skills. I wouldn't know calculus if it bit me on the bum and am at peace with that fact.

Moreover, I've used my powder actuated fastener to secure a newly laid subfloor to concrete before installing hardwood with my bare hands. I own a blow torch and enjoy metal craft. I do basic home plumbing. I also find sports and politics equally fascinating. Thus, I doubt I'm fulfilling any gender stereotype for my daughter. She sees me in my multifaceted glory every day and will be allowed to draw her own conclusions about math without my bashing it. My husband can help her with calc homework and I will gladly show her how to install a garbage disposal or start a business when she's ready.

I can figure out a sale price, leave a generous tip and balance my accounts. Other than that, I need a calculator. It must have been invented for me ( http://blog.thedailyfuss.com ). 

Gena Haskett 6 pts

Lemme see making pasta from scratch involves mass, measuring, time, temperature, physics and  a couple bottles of wine.

Bossy doesn't know she has it. But she does. That thing, you know, math skills.

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iamBOSSY 5 pts

First you should know Bossy does not buy into stereotypes: she grew her son's hair so long as a toddler that it could be secured into a bun on the top of his head -- and Bossy's daughter was very confident with her love of toy cars.

But there is something about math Bossy cannot integrate -- much the way other people can't unlock the patterns in a foreign language.

it may not be a male/female thing, but Bossy has no problem admitting that whatever THAT THING is with Math, Bossy doesn't have it.

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

Yes, respect it from a distance. :-)

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

And so long as there is a positive atmosphere to be able to ask for help then it is ok. It is when you have asked and the other person makes you feel bad for asking is what I don't like.

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

If a person understands the process to get the answer then that is cool with me. let the calculator do the number crunching so long as the person understands the correct way to input the formula. 

Now yes, maybe up until 11th grade or so you want the little darlings to work those brain muscles. But in the real world? 

Absolutely ok with me if a person uses a calculator to figure out he/she is being shanked by the bank or mortgage company. 

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LMAshton 5 pts

You would hate me, then. :) I started learning calculus in high school and was quite good at it. But then, I was a math geek. Certifiable.

One of my best friends is also a math geek. While working at a job that she didn't particularly enjoy, she decided to spice up her life by taking university upper-level calculus courses. For fun. And because she could. :D

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LambAround 5 pts

Gosh darn it! I had a long comment that was just about finished and ready to be posted. My computer did some wacky "refresh" thing and here I am, back to a blank comment screen! Here is the gist of what I had written:

I grew up being told I was bad at math. It wasn't much of a stretch. I was behind most of the class for just about every math topic, even though I excelled in other areas, like English. I never thought I would be good at math. However, now that I am older, I realize that I'm actually better than many of the people I know at math that applies to the real world, especially math involving money. I used to get so frustrated at myself for being bad at math. I wish there had been more of a focus on math that is more relevant to everyday life. I'm not saying that it's the only kind that should be taught and that girls shouldn't have to learn the "harder" kinds of math, but I do think it would be good to focus on areas a child is good at. This could build their confidence for when they progress to harder subject matter. Instead, I "just knew" that I was going to be terrible whenever we tried to learn something new, like fractions, algebra, etc. (actually, I take back that "etc.", as I never progressed past algebra, even as a college graduate).

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midnightbliss 5 pts

when I was in high school, i really didn't consider myself good in math, but i decided to take engineering course which has lots and lots of math, but it turned out good. all we need to do is try to understand it and we will.

camisa 5 pts

I was always math-phobic.  Not because I was a girl (my sisters are math and science whizzes), but...because I can't add/subtract/multiply/divide in my head.  I never could.  I understand the concepts and theories, but had problems with the execution (I loved and did great in geometry, by the way...all theory...no adding in head).  When I was in school (I graduated from high school in the early 80s), calculator use wasn't as prevalent as it is now.  I got through just enough math to graduate (didn't even take calculus), and called it a day.  I majored in English in college (and was very happy with that).

I went to business school in the mid-90s and had to take statistics as part of my degree...AND LOVED IT.  Statistics is calculus.  Because we used calculators, my issues with computing in my head or by hand evaporated.  I LOVE MATH.   I use it every day.

junosmom 5 pts

I had often heard that girls keep up in math until the middle school years.  The theory proposed is that at that time, girls noticed boys, and did not want to be better than boys at this supposedly masculine subject.  I disagree.

Having  homeschooled my two daughters, now almost finished with high school,  and having observed my niece and close friends, what seems to happen in middle school is a rewiring of the minds of girls.  There are days when they simply cannot comprehend it at all, and tears ensue.  Both my girls had it.  We'd put the books away for a month or two, then get them back out.  They would suddenly breeze through that concept.  No problem.  Then we'd hit the wall again.  I propose that this frustration may cause those without the option of putting it away while the brain is in a fog (in a school setting) may lead them to believe they never will get it, hurting their self-esteem, when in fact they will - given time.  But the damage to their belief and hatred of the subject has become set.

I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment that curriculum can have a huge impact on the ability to understand math.  One daughter is a straightforward, read the textbook child and the other needs a lot of talk, DVDs and different wording.  A change in curriculum made a huge difference.

Neither are math geeks (like I was) but both have skills.  I would also recommend a book (I've not read but read review and plan to buy) called Math Doesn't Suck: How to Survive Middle-School Math Without Losing Your Mind or Breaking a Nail

link:

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Until we are able to get more flexibility in how children learn in schools, women will continue to think they are not good at math.

Cathy http://www.lifetimelearning.blogspot.com

Gena Haskett 6 pts

That might be a question for a Sociologist or Anthropologist. What does the society gain in suppressing math skills in girls and women?

 I agree with you; if you answer a kid's question "Why is this important" early on then you prove to them that there is a meaning and context to what they are studying. They become engaged learners.

 There is a dollar value in keeping people ignorant. 

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

Math is a language and a process for thinking. The higher forms of math make invisible things visible. From imaginary Star Trek TriCorder to PDAs to Smartphone to the Apple Tablet. (I will not call it an iPad). 

Just like English, Math is embedded in everything we do. That Includes raising kids, housing them, feeding them and outfoxing them when they are up to no good.nbsp;

If that isn't advanced math skills in action I don't know what else I could tell you. It isn't the numbers, it is the process of thinking. One day it will happen to you. You will be involved in something and bam, math will either save you or kick you in the tushie. 

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

They literally brought me from 4th to 11th grade in 4 months. The first 9 years of school made me feel stupid about math. It does get to a point where you don't want to try. Folks are exposed to predators because they don't understand about percentage points, adjustable rate mortgages and why you can't get out from under credit card debit. 

Thanks for reading,

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

I'd almost settle for adequate or competent. I celebrate the good ones.

I really don't want to bash the math teachers. It might be the structure of how math is taught and the inability to make the time of assessing proper comprehension before a student goes near a test. 

I'm thinking if the kid fails two class assignments in a row then tutor in a method that does reach the kid until there is comprehension. 

In my dream school. I just think it is a systemic problem.

One that isn't going to be fixed in my lifetime.

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

You can however respect it from a distance.

A great distance but with respect. 

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

I was a mercenary math whiz only because I knew I needed to understand money so I could buy candy. Let's be open that not all of us get it on the first or second try.

Now there are deadbeats who take advantage of not being able to calc a dinner check or tip. I have no excuse for them, especially if they have a cell phone that can do it for them.

I'm willing to start where ever a person finds themselves so long as they are willing to try.

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Megan Smith 5 pts

I can't tell you how many times I've thought the same thing:  that I wish women would stop saying they hate math and they're no good at it--as if with estrogen comes a lack of brain cells to appreciate and understand math.

I loved math in school.  Let me say that again, I Loved Math In School!  loved algebra especially and voluntarily took calculus in college. 

There's a logic to math that I always loved and which I found totally understandable.  However, every time women say this in front of girls--kind of like--"I hate my thighs"--girls take this in and before they even try, assume because they're a girl that they are going to be no good at it.  Add to that the pressure of not being "nerdy smart" in some schools and kids and especially girls decide it's better to be dumb and accepted than smart and ostracized or not liked by boys.

Once again, thank you for this post!

Megan

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sassymonkey 6 pts moderator

Calc was horrible in university. Professor wouldn't answer questions and the TA barely spoke English. Plus it was calculus. 

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sassymonkey 6 pts moderator

I used to not hate math but not particularly enjoy it thanks to a few not so great teachers. They thought that I should do better and that my marks were not high enough (though they were more than perfectly respectable marks). Then I had a teacher that told me my problem was that I was bored. I was. But having someone say "I know you are bored" helped.

So did having a math teacher in high school that didn't teach us to do stuff the way he was "supposed" to. He loved our class. Said he never had another one like it before or since. He said all we wanted was to be shown how to do something, be given a few examples and then we wanted him to sit down, shut up, and stay out of our way while we worked. That was pretty much accurate. 

Good math teachers are a rare gem. 

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CrystalsCozyKitchen 5 pts

I actually took college math classes in high school, and I understood it perfectly. Math is a skill and if you do not use what you have learned, you will lose it, I have not done any crazy math equations recently and am at a total loss, but as far as basics for finances I do quite well. Math is just intimidating.

One reason that math is intimidating was brought home to me by a school priciple that I know. She says that most math teachers learn and teach in one style not the way that most people learn math. I was lucky to have a really great math teacher in junior high.

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