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Taught to Serve Man: Struggling with Relationship Compromise

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I was raised in a traditional household by a stay-at-home mom and a dad who expected his dinner on the table when he got home from work. There are, of course, many often-discussed pluses and minuses to "love, honor, and obey," and a boatload of passionate opinion to go with them, but much like Christina in Woody Allen's Vicky Cristina Barcelona, the thing I was most certain of growing up was what I didn't want. I didn't want a traditional relationship like my parents'.

Still, I grew up immersed in it. Like many Gen-Xers, I was told about and could see another way, but at home the world worked the way it had for so long. I was taught to serve man. Serve him dinner, not serve him *for* dinner.

I was so firm in my beliefs and personal resolutions, that I didn't even notice what I was picking up along the way despite myself.

The first glimmer came with my then fiance when I was asking him to do something he didn't want to do - I can't remember what and it really doesn't matter. The point was, he didn't want to compromise, and he said that I never compromised. I countered that I compromised all the time, and when I gave him examples, he said, Yeah, but you didn't really care about that stuff.

But, I did. I really did. Thing is, when I compromised, I was ever gracious. The way I'd been taught. I'm a master of making sure you're comfortable, and that you understand it's no worries. Because once I've decided to compromise, then that's how it is.

I suppose it was the first death knell of that relationship that often after that when I was compromising I would announce it clearly. It was absurd, but there it was. Being gracious was getting me nowhere.

Years later, I've become a more straightforward person than I was before. I shrugged off the lessons in passive aggression and manipulation - people who take care of themselves and have power over their lives don't need it. But the lesson that my needs come second in a relationship is something I've continued to struggle with. Because it's completely internalized. I do it without thinking - sometimes requiring me to backtrack or "change my mind."

Like I get off the phone and think, Wait a minute, that's not what I want. So I call back and change what I said before.

And that's just confusing to everyone. But I can't help it. Sometimes I just compromise what I want without thinking.

Or, then I fear it swings the other way. I've learned to and work to clearly express my needs, but then, both partners *do* need to compromise - I struggle to find the balance. I wonder about the things I do stand up for, and I worry about the future. How do two people who've lived alone come together and compromise on things like air conditioning and window shades? I want to believe it just happens, but it feels like the first time I saw mountains on my way to California from Florida - I couldn't imagine how we were going to be able to drive through them.

In my professional life, I've mastered the art of picking my battles. But everything has this added weight in a relationship. It's your personal life; it matters more. It effects how you live and how you act and suddenly you're living with things and doing things you'd never do if you were on your own. That scares the crap out of me.

I muddle forward and try my best to communicate clearly and find the balance. I hope I'm figuring it out as I go, but it's very challenging. Does anyone else struggle with this?

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Here's some pretty serious posts from women struggling with various relationship issues:

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Contributing editor Liz Rizzo also blogs at Everyday Goddess.

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Dysconnection 5 pts

Agreed, it's just quite embarrassing to me that I got entangled in the first place and then took 4 months to send him on his way.  You live and learn though.

Bill Cammack 5 pts

Like I said in my comment above, a lot of women assume that guys intend to compromise anything at all when they enter into a relationship.  Sometimes, that's just not true.

In a lot of cases, guys are just adding entertainment & sex to their daily existence and it's not any deeper than that.  The sooner women ask guys to change things, the sooner they realize that "it ain't that type of party".

You made the right decision to bounce instead of wasting time trying to get him to come around.

~ Bill ( http://billcammack.com/ )
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Dysconnection 5 pts

this is helpful.  I just broke up with someone because there was very little compromise on offer from him.   His lack of compromise also manifested in his inability to share any kind of feelings with me - other than what seemed to centre around my physical attributes (granted - I look good ;)

I recognise that this is about my self esteem - I've been single for years - somewhere (probably from the way things were in my extremely harried parents relationship) I've ingrained the idea that I don't deserve someone good.  I even found myself, after being clear about why I was breaking up with this guy saying to him 'I didn't think I was good enough for you'

And actually, that's the nail on the head.  That's why I dealt with the increasing crappiness for 4 months.  

So.  I'm going to do some work on that.  Because in all rationality - as I also told him 'I deserve far better'  He couldn't follow my thinking.  He said it didn't make sense.  But then it wouldn't would it?  He's also caught in a loop of something.  But that's his bag and to be honest.  I think his is probably much heavier than mine.   

Tina Lane 5 pts

It is easy to give when it is being received in equal order.  I was a bit of a bread winner in my twenties and relationships were much harder for me then because its was more challenging to juggle both: domestic diva and career diva.  Now I am content being one or the other and letting my partner fill in the other half.  Maybe there is some hope for balance in cutting ourselves some slack and being practical.  Take-out dinner anyone?  www.floridagirlmidwest.blogspot.com ( http://www.floridagirlmidwest.blogspot.com/ )

Liz Rizzo 5 pts

That peeps need to have their eyes open going in... Or be ready to walk away if you discover, "he wanted his dinner on the table when he got home from work and a woman he likes to get physical with." Ug.

Liz Rizzo ( http://blogher.org/blog/liz-rizzo )

I blog at Everyday Goddess ( http://everydaygoddess.typepad.com/ ).

Liz Rizzo 5 pts

Works really well indeed! I do like that idea more than compromise when possible.

Liz Rizzo ( http://blogher.org/blog/liz-rizzo )

I blog at Everyday Goddess ( http://everydaygoddess.typepad.com/ ).

Bill Cammack 5 pts

Excellent topic, Liz.

Part of "The Game" is figuring out why your current SO selected you in the first place.  It's possible that he wanted someone to compromise with.  It's possible that he wanted his dinner on the table when he got home from work and a woman he likes to get physical with.  Depending on what his reasons are for spending time with you, he will or will not have any incentive or intention on compromising with anything you say or think.

In any relationship or negotiation, the person that's not willing to walk away from the table is at a DISTINCT disadvantage.  If you want to be in a relationship more than you want to get your own way, you're stuck, so take it like a woman and grin and bear it.  If doing what you want to do when you want to do it is more important, prepare for relationships to end and begin based on whether a guy feels like doing what you want him to do.

You can't really have *both*, unless you carefully screened the guy ahead of time to figure out whether he has your best interests at heart before you started the relationship.

~ Bill ( http://billcammack.com/ )
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rebellious thinker 5 pts

I wrote a blog posst a while back about "compromising myself out of a marriage." I think the key is not in compromising but in taking turns. Really, why can't I get what I want sometimes, unadulterated with someone else's desires, and the same for him? I hated that I couldn't even decide where we would eat out, it had to be a compromise. And as you have all been saying, the woman doesn't so much compromise as give in; and the man doesn't so much compromise as stand his ground. I'm divorced because at a certain point I had been so totally diminished, knowing that I could never get what I want and know that it was valid, that I couldn't take it anymore.   

Laura, www.RebelliousThoughtsofaWoman.com ( http://www.rebelliousthoughtsofawoman.com/ )

Liz Rizzo 5 pts

My mom was a stay-at-home mom, not me! :)

Hm... I don't know if it's nurturing per se. I think many people manage to be nurturing without struggling to find the balance. I wouldn't say it's nurturing per se, but rather, this lesson of self-sacrifice and lesser importance and service to everyone but yourself.

I wonder how the people who were raised in a more egalitarian setting are on this issue.

Liz Rizzo ( http://blogher.org/blog/liz-rizzo )

I blog at Everyday Goddess ( http://everydaygoddess.typepad.com/ ).

Liz Rizzo 5 pts

Is better than the alternative, right? I do sometimes feel silly, but at least I'm seeing it and fixing it.

I like how you're communicating; that makes a lot of sense.

Liz Rizzo ( http://blogher.org/blog/liz-rizzo )

I blog at Everyday Goddess ( http://everydaygoddess.typepad.com/ ).

Liz Rizzo 5 pts

It's amazing to me that this isn't an issue for me in my working life, but has become such a struggle in my personal life. I, too, am hoping that increased recognition of when I'm doing it will lead to getting it right in the first place more often.

Liz Rizzo ( http://blogher.org/blog/liz-rizzo )

I blog at Everyday Goddess ( http://everydaygoddess.typepad.com/ ).

gesterline 5 pts

I believe one of a woman's best attributes, nuturing, is often one of the biggest stumbling blocks.  Nurturing, making someone feel loved unconditionally, is a gift.  Drawing the line between nuturing and losing yourself seems to be a life journey.

I was married for 21 years choosing to be a stay at home Mom as you have.  When the marriage fell apart I discovered that I had totally lost myself in my ex.  After spending alot of time beating myself up over this I spent time learning who I was and loving me for me.  It is still a journey but I am in a wonderful relationship where my fiancee supports my journey as I am his.  There are bumps but it sure is nice.

Liz, you are not alone.  Finding the balance is something we are all looking for.

Genny

www.connectionsforwomen.com ( http://www.connectionsforwomen.com )

smartchica47 5 pts

If you find a woman who doesn't struggle with this, please let me know! I've done the backtracking thing many times and I often feel silly when I'm doing it but I've never regreted it afterward. Previous boyfriends haven't helped (i.e., they made me feel silly, and I ended up compromixing a LOT because I was afraid not to) but my current boyfriend is awesome about it - he has told me how much he appreciates that I tell him what I'm thinking, when I'm thinking it, instead of letting it build up inside. And him being that supportive makes it easier to express my needs upfront. I've also tried to find ways to let him know that I'm compromising without *saying* it that directly - that is, to compromise graciously but not SO graciously that he thinks I truly don't care. Sometimes that means I say things like, "Well, my 1st choice would be X, but if that doesn't work for you, I'm perfectly OK with doing Y." Again, it helps that he appreciates when he knows I'm compromising, and he is willing to compromise a lot too - I think part of the problem I've had in the past was not only being hesitant to express myself but feeling resentful because I felt like the other person was never compromising and it was always ME.

At the same time, this relationship is relatively new and I worry a lot about what will happen in the future, as we encounter more issues that we both have strong opinions about. I want to believe that we'll be able to talk it out so neither of us feels like we're compromising more or giving up anything TRULY important to us, but who knows...

Jenn

http://quirkyeconomist.blogspot.com

tjsmith 5 pts

But I gotta tell ya, this has been a huge issue for me in relationships. In my work, I have no trouble with boundaries and expressing myself when they're in danger of being crossed. In my personal life, however, I am jello. I've been married twice and have consistently failed to find a balance between my early training (take care of everyone, make everything right for everyone, keep everyone happy, don't upset anyone, my needs are secondary and if I can just accomplish this everything will be peachy) and the realities of today such as: my career is as demanding as anyone elses, I bring home the bacon too, it's okay to be tired and ask others in the household to help out, labor at home should be shared labor and todays dual income relationships require the players to work things out in non-traditional ways.

The result of the conflict is always pent up frustration on my part, because I also have trouble communicating since I was taught that complaining is selfish and whiney. I have spent the greater part of the last year learning to understand my part in this and all I can hope for at this stage is that recognition really is the first step on the road to recovery.

TJ Smith

www.working-with-women.com ( http://www.working-with-women.com/ )