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Television Without Pity Sucks Dot Com: What It's Like to Be Really, Really Hated Online

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I used to have a real problem with people disliking me. Like, a real problem. I couldn't let it roll off my back, I couldn't "get over it," and I couldn't stop thinking about why. Whyyyyy don't they liiiiiike me?! And then along came Television Without Pity, and I learned what it meant to be really, horribly, histrionically hated. I also learned what whackjobs exist on the Internet.

Why was I hated? Oh, for so many reasons: liking a character, disliking a character, liking a show, disliking a show, performing my duties as a TWOP forum moderator, not performing my duties as a TWOP forum moderator, being a woman, being married, being a writer, being a recapper, being a moderator, making jokes, not making enough jokes, being boring, being over-the-top, being condescending, being mean, being nice, and for many of them, just being me was enough of an offense.

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I'll tell you what, when I started recapping and moderating the forums for Television Without Pity, I never expected that I'd touch so many people. It's actually quite astonishing, and I still can't quite wrap my head around it. At first, I just got hate email. Each one had his or her "reasons" and unique ways of talking about my mother and even more unique ways of spelling various curse words.

I never kept track of how much hate email I got, but it was more than one and less than 20 a year. Probably. At first, it really hurt. Like, a lot. It hurt way more than I wanted it to hurt, and I didn't know how to stop it from hurting every time one of those poisoned little missives stank up my inbox. A few times I wrote the troglodytes back and tried to argue with them, tried to convince them they were wrong or misguided or just plain stupid. Yeah, well, speaking of stupid? That was stupid. It's not like any of them ever responded, "Oh, you have a point: I am SOOOO sorry I called you all those names and said you were awful at your job and on second thought I really DON'T think you should drop in a hole and die." All it did was prolong my exposure to some deeply unhappy people.

Clearly, being part of a popular and high-traffic site was going to get recappers both wanted and unwanted attention. Being popular or well-known anywhere is going to get you wanted and unwanted attention, and the conventional wisdom (and that of our mothers) is that how much you are hated is directly related to the level of your popularity. Question: has that wisdom ever made anyone feel better? Because it never did me. It's like, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." I get it intellectually, but it completely misses me emotionally.

Speaking of emotion. I had it in spades. When I got those emails, I'd get so upset, I'd be shaking. Anger, frustration, and shock were all mixed in there together. But I didn't actually feel physically ill until I learned about the hate boards. That's right, there were (are?) entire discussion boards solely dedicated to how much Television Without Pity sucks. If I recall correctly, they were started by ex-TWOP posters who had been banned for some offense or another. Or maybe they had gotten upset with the way TWOP was running things or writing things and had left the boards of their own accord. Again, the haters had their reasons.

Not every recapper was lucky enough to be represented on these anti-TWOP boards, but some of us had threads completely dedicated to the pursuit of individual hatred. Being curious and a serious glutton for punishment, I once browsed the thread assigned to my TWOP handle, and what I read there was truly disturbing.

There were the predictable issues with my writing style and my moderating style. Speculations about my personality and home life. Then there were hopeful fantasies that my husband would ditch me to have an affair with another recapper's wife. (They hated that other recapper, too. Something about him being a lawyer really bothered them.) The best thing was that one of these hate board denizens was making a practice of going around to graveyards and taking photographs of headstones that bore the name of my handle, "Keckler." Because, you know, I deserved it.

Sick and twisted, and man, were they proud of it! They reveled in their hate, gorged themselves on their bile, and

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mike hoan 5 pts

they rip on rachel blanchard beyond clueless. her career is just like alicia silverstone's. plus blanchard wasnt bad on 7th heaven peep show and other tv show and movies like joey . just like silverstone movies and tv shows. rachel was just as good as cher as alicia was.TWoP sucks.

Lillikangaroo 5 pts

TWoP addict here and I have visited a hate site. At first it was just out of curiosity, because my TWoP experience has been great and I didn't understand the need for such hate. I still have never had any issues with the forums or the moderation. Recaps are another story.
One thing that sent me to the hate site was the times when, like you talked about with "Enterprise," the recapper was so over a show and having a miserable time with it. The other thing was a recapper that, in general, bugged me. I wasn't going to write a hateful email or even a 'I disagree with you' one, so it was nice to go somewhere where I could complain.
You are right that harshness is more prevalent in comments. I've noticed this with my siblings on FB. I've commented, seen, and had sent to me stuff that never would have been written in another form or said out loud.

Brenda.G 5 pts

I get hate mail too even on my facebook page. It seems that people just want a reason to argue, hate or push their agenda by attacking your own. I guess that is the beauty of free speech and the ugly is trying to grow the thick skin.

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SheriRH 5 pts

I experienced hate mail and hate comments for the first time recently, and it did hurt. I am all for discussion and disagreement, but these were such vile and vulgar comments that some of them were blocked by my spam filter. The others were just as hateful but without the language. It kept me up at night at first, because heaven forbid someone not like me. I finally realized that it had nothing to do with me; some people are just so miserable that they have to spew hate everywhere.

I have read a lot about online hate since then, including an excellent post at Problogger where the general consensus in the comments was to delete the hate, don't respond, don't engage those people and ban the haters if they continue. I was so intimidated by my haters that I left the comments on my blog posts and even tried to respond rationally to them! After reading that article, I went back and deleted them. To paraphrase another blogger, my blog is my house, so either behave or I'll kick you out!

I am constantly amazed by the amount of time and energy these people put into "hating". They practically stalk the bloggers they hate so they can nit pick every single thing. They start multiple websites to discuss and defend their hatred, and if anyone dares to disagree with them, they direct their wrath at that person. How does anyone have the time for that, if they have any kind of life at all?

Pity is definitely the right reaction.

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I Wanna Be A Celeb 5 pts

Wow-longtime member of TWOP here, and I never knew there were alternate hate sites(Other than Gosselins Without Pity-and having read the old TWOP Gosselin thread it didn't surprise me.)Guess I'll be taking an Internet field trip to see some of those sites. Recappers at TWOP have a gift, and I have always appreciated them and all of the moderators. The moderating there is wonderful. I do know that the Internet has become a place for those who feel "less than" to try to intimidate others in order to feel more powerful. I hate that. I've seen people gang up on those who don't agree with them, to the point where they hunt down home addresses. It's like a car-people are so much more aggressive when they are driving than when they are looking you in the face, because they feel invincible. The Internet takes away the idea that this is a real live person, with a family, that you are hating so much!

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Denise 58 pts moderator

While I never joined a HATE group to gripe about TWoP, I might have (probably) written about a writer whose style just didn't work for me. Probably on a message board, maybe even on my own blog right in the last days of Gilmore Girls.

You know what it's like - you love a show (or love to hate a show) and the recapper just gets it - her style, her humor, her writing - everything about her recaps is just perfect... and then she leaves and another recapper takes her place.

One whose style may not feel right, or one who doesn't seem to "get" what you "get" about the show. It's hard to adjust and it's easy to be snarky.

Yes, snarky. But hate speech - no, never acceptable. EVER.

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Stephanie V.W. Lucianovic 9 pts

Maybe covering all exposed skin in Backtacular is an idea...?

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wantapeanut 6 pts

I've worked on a number of tech products. The reviews by the tech press are generally pretty good and fair, even if I don't always agree. But the comments under the reveiws are amazing to read. They take the reviews personally, as if having a different opinion is a personal insult to them. It's nutty.

ms_lorelei 5 pts

My little ol' Martha Points blog has not engendered any anger yet...

I have a like-me! problem too.

Perhaps I could buy a thicker skin online somehwere...

Stephanie V.W. Lucianovic 9 pts

Because of my experience at TWOP, I've never allowed comments on my own blog. While it doesn't always stop them, it's much easier for people to post hateful comments to something you wrote than to send an email about it.

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JennaHatfield 21 pts

I refuse to read comments on newspapers anymore. Or on certain ill-moderated big-blog sites of parenting nature. (I'd name names but that's not cool.) Online nastiness is so 2004.

Jenna Hatfield (@FireMom ( http://twitter.com/FireMom )), from Stop, Drop and Blog ( http://stopdropandblog.com ) and The Chronicles of Munchkin Land ( http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com ), is a freelance writer and newspaper photographer.

jennster 5 pts

i have a message board/forum that i've run and owned for like 9 or 10 years now. i have seen EVERYTHING on the internet. and i mean everything.
i totally think that it's because of the forum and having the trolls and death threats and stalkers, etc... that it made me totally able to deal with the bullshit on my blog way better (although it's super rare on my blog). i feel like i was already armed and aware of what type of crazies are out there and i'd already dealt with them all.
dealing with people like that in a forum/mb on a daily basis (and usually way quicker than on a blog) is way better practice for how the mean comments will make you feel.
basically, i can totally relate and see how you learned and are super tough now- it's like, bring it on blog trolls. ha

JennaHatfield 21 pts

The Chronicles blog brings me in more than 1 and less than 20 pieces of hate mail each year, too. I have one Troll who decides to come out from under her bridge about twice a year and go on and on about what an awful human being I am. I've learned to ignore her brand of Crazy. It still stings when others find my blog and lash out at me, usually due to their own issues with adoption. Note I said stings. I don't (usually!) end up in tears anymore. I am able to recognize their anger as something they're dealing with that, most likely, has absolutely nothing to do with my life or the choices I have made. It's taken me a long time of publicly blogging our journey to get to this spot though.

And? It's poured over into my everyday life as well. I am not saying that I am oozing confidence in every life situation. But I really don't care what others think of me most of the time. Most of the time. Still trying to get comfortable running on the track and at the gym. I should keep this post in mind!

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CastleBeckons 5 pts

I find the same kind of negativity and hatred in the comments at the bottom on newspaper articles online. Some of the people live to be nasty - they think nothing of saying horrible things about the people in the stories (sometimes they know who the articles are about and feel free to put their names out there). I always think that they hide behind their computers - they are quick to judge something that is happening in the community - but would never actually stand up in a town meeting or something and speak!

Sarah 5 pts

When I got my first troll on Sarah and the Goon Squad, it wasn't even really that bad. It was a woman (who it turns out I knew) making fun of my haircut. I was upset for weeks. Why would somebody do that?

When the commenters over on Stuff on My Cat called my son a fat, ugly and stupid baby I almost quit blogging completely.

I guess you just get immune.

Yesterday I got a comment on MamaPop where the guy called me stupid AND ignorant for using the phrase "Hi-Yah!" Then he told me to shut up because clearly I knew nothing about martial arts.

I just thanked him for his comment and let him know that I studied Tae Kwon Do. Then I moved on. I guess you just adjust after time.

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scaron 5 pts

When I was on staff for a small newspaper, I covered crime and often interviewed victim families. I received so many nice notes, thanking me for my sensitivity and accurate portrayals of their family members. It was so nice. Then I got promoted to a sister newspaper, which was a major regional one. I still got thank yous and still loved it ... but I knew I was making it when the hate mail and hate emails started. No matter how many I got, they all stung just a bit. But I learned to laugh it off. Some people just are so unhappy that they want to hate. Fine.

Online is no different. I get plenty of nice notes. But I also get unkind notes ... and more recently, there have been some really rude comments on the FB pages of sites I write for. At first I was shocked, but then I got over it. So what? These people can hate all they want ... Meanwhile, I will continue to do my job and love it.

Being thick-skinned is hard, but it's so much better for the psyche.

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DonnaFreedman 5 pts

Or else I need to stop reading the comments for my posts at MSN Money's "Living With Less" and "Smart Spending."
I've been told not to read them, but I can't seem to help it.
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I think that comments like "Die, cunt, die" are a BIT over the top.

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fourchickens
fourchickens

grubreport Gah. I think the online world has gone crazy with bad behavior.

grubreport
grubreport

fourchickens People are bored, sick. It's sad. Living within that sort of ugly preoccupation must turn them into Dorian Gray portraits.

fourchickens
fourchickens

grubreport I know. I had no idea that people actually started actual whole hate sites until last week. Eek! Lots of time on their hands?

grubreport
grubreport

fourchickens Hate sites, hate Twitter feeds...yep, way too much time.

fourchickens
fourchickens

grubreport I barely have enough time to manage my own blog and twitter feed.

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grubreport nanciemac yep. Stephanie understands. and she's also fricking awesome. you two need to meet.