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After reading the new Today Moms Bloggers’ first post, while there is some stuff Mayim Bialik writes that I agree with, I felt the need to respond to some of the more objectionable comments she makes. First off, she starts out by saying she doesn’t like labels but then proceeds to label herself throughout the blog post. She dubs herself an attachment parent and goes out of her way to alienate her readers on her very first introduction to them. And that’s coming from an attachment parent!

We didn’t plan on becoming AP parents – we just sort of fell into it. And to tell you the truth, I would have had no idea what the term meant if it weren’t for the book I gravitate to most as a new parent. Nighttime Parenting by Dr. William Sears became my go-to book when my son Mylo was a newborn, and still is today.

Sharing sleep. Ms. Bialik calls it "bed-sharing," we've dubbed it family bed or "sharing sleep" as Dr. Sears does. Either way, we're down with it. It's been my experience that some parents shun sharing sleep, but we quite like it. Dr. Sears says that sharing sleep teaches your baby about trust. He also notes that children who are given open access to the family bed in infancy become more secure and independent in the long run. Who wouldn't want that for their children?

Birth. Ms. Bialik writes that natural birth is not something to “try for” and feel bad you couldn’t do. I was in labor for 30 hours and had a natural birth, so I feel at the very least that I can speak to the subject. It was always my plan and goal to have a natural birth. While I wanted to avoid having a Cesarean section, I hadn't written off the possibility of having drugs. As I approached the 25th hour on game day I was in so much pain and in so much distress that I not only pleaded for drugs but I begged for a doctor to cut me open. I know now that that was the pain talking, and my support team - my husband, mother and midwife - knew that too so they didn't fulfill my wishes. They were there to help make my goals a reality, and of course today, I am so grateful for that, and for them.

In the months that I have become a mom and made other mom friends, I was just as happy to share in their birthing experience, whether they had drugs or Cesareans. I don't think that there is a place for elitism in childbirth. I do support Ms. Bialik on one thing regarding birth, though. That our country needs to step up to the plate in educating women about the benefits of natural birth.

Strollers. I dig them. Ms. Bialik, not-so-much. Happens that she is a staunch proponent of wearing her children in slings. She uses nursing on demand as one of the reasons why. My son nurses on demand, too, however I challenge her to show me how convenient that is for large-breasted women who have three or four layers on and are trudging down New York City streets through inches of snow. We have the Baby Belle Carrier and rock it often. But the stroller is a wonderful invention and we use ours more often than the carrier. When Mylo was five months old, we removed the car seat attachment from our Bumbleride Indie and faced him out toward the world. It was a bittersweet moment for me. Ok, it was more bitter than sweet. My husband laughed and said "Don't worry babes, I don't think he's leaving home just yet."

Breastfeeding. I agree with Ms. Bialik's scientific fact that human breast milk is the best food, comfort and nourishment for human babies. However, the fact that she breastfeeds her children as long as she does is (in my opinion), questionable.

When I was pregnant the women in my family assumed I would breastfeed. The way I was asked was at times indignantly, like, "you're going to breastfeed, right?" Anyone who knows me knows I don't like being told to do something. I pretty much have to discover it on my own and on my own time. The truth was that I did want to breastfeed, I was just scared I would fail at it the same way I was scared of failing at natural childbirth.

I soon learned that while breastfeeding was difficult, it was

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wdolderer 30 pts

I enjoyed reading your piece.  Every mom needs to evaluate her needs and that of her family and it sounds like this is what works for you and yours.  I think people need to do what is best for them, share what they do and what works for them, and let everyone decide for their family. My feelings in some areas will be different from you and Ms.Bialik but that is fine.  I love that people can share and give options that some may never have thought of.

olemank 5 pts

Qualifying any length of breastfeeding as gross (1.5 years, 2 years, 2.5, 3?) is such an offensive attack. Have you got any medical or scientific basis to be commenting? The "normal" human range for weaning for traditional societies is 2.5 to 4 years. If we were to compare ourselves to other extant primates, we should be feeding our babies for about 7 years. The WHO recommendations are for a minimum of 2 years ("2 years and beyond" sounds like Buzz Lightyear). Did she instruct anyone to feed for exactly the same length of time she did? No? Do you realize how many women you are judging and ghettoizing by telling us all how creepy 2.5 years is? Sorry, but just saying we'll lynch you for it doesn't get you out of such bad behaviour. Talk about alienating moms!

reedu 5 pts

I certainly didn't think writing this post would garner me so much hate, but alas, it seems it did. I never wrote once what I imagine my child will be doing when he is 2.5. Other than saying I subscribe to attachment parenting, I was not speculating and I admitted that I am still figuring it all out.

I've always liked what you stand for and write about, but your tone and the high-horse that you rode in on here is not appreciated.

What's more... I'd be happy to eat crow and follow this blog post up if I am still breastfeeding my son at 2.5. You can get out your "veteran" sword then, and cut me down even more.

~Reedu blogs at ReeWrite ( http://www.reewrite.com ) and The Huffington Post ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/reedu-taha/ )

reedu 5 pts

Obviously you don't live in New York City. You would need to to understand why I would choose walking in the snow as the optimal time to breastfeed. It's not necessarily optimal, but walking is a way of life here, and unfortunately the snow this winter has been endless. Originally this post was published on my personal blog, which is Brooklyn-based.

~Reedu blogs at ReeWrite ( http://www.reewrite.com ) and The Huffington Post ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/reedu-taha/ )

reedu 5 pts

Your last sentence was so sweet and so poignant, it gave me a quick surge of goosebumps.

I think it is quite the contrary though - women don't feel ashamed about using drugs, specifically having an epidural. If anything, I think it is celebrated among women. I can count on two hands while I was pregnant, the women who told me "not to miss out on it," or to "take the drugs, you won't regret it." But the c-section, I couldn't agree more that women shouldn't feel ashamed. It is still a birth, it is still a child coming out of your body. And like you said, the outcome is the most important.

~Reedu blogs at ReeWrite ( http://www.reewrite.com ) and The Huffington Post ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/reedu-taha/ )

melindarp 6 pts

I have to revise my comment on natural birth because now I have read Ms. Bialik's post and I have to say that I'm perplexed. I don't really think that the two of you disagree. She's all for educating women on natural birth and telling them to go for it.

I stand by what I said about cutting ourselves some slack if it's not in the cards. Ideals are great but women shouldn't feel ashamed about using an epidural or having a c-section. The outcome is so much more important than the experience.

I missed out on giving birth, and feel a slight regret about it, but I would have missed my first two children more. Medical intervention saved their lives.

reedu 5 pts

Yes, you are right. I felt she was listing the things that make an attachment parent, or at least make her the attachment parent she is - which is also why I constructed my post the way I did. I listed the things, half of which I agreed with her on, and half of which I didn't, that makes me the attachment parent I am. And I also noted that it's so much more, too.

Now I could be very wrong but I read her comment about birth to be somewhat derogatory. It reads "natural birth is not something to “try for” and feel bad you couldn’t do." Hence the quotes on 'try for.' It seemed aimed at women who try for it but the pain becomes too much and she succumbs to drugs (I was almost one of them) and/or the dr.'s wishes to have a c-section (which, as we know, is not always medically necessary.)

I appreciate what you said about how much your feelings change as you grow with your children. I really look forward to evolving that way. Thanks for taking the time to reach out and comment.

~Reedu blogs at ReeWrite ( http://www.reewrite.com ) and The Huffington Post ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/reedu-taha/ )

melindarp 6 pts

While some of these comments have been thought out and respectful, even though they disagree with you, others seem to have come from a more emotional place and they're... well... mean. We can disagree without being hurtful, can't we?

I haven't read Ms. Bialik's post, but my impression from yours is that your intent was to correct what you felt was misinformation about attachment parenting, is that right?

I think what women are responding to is the tone of your response. I remember being a first-time mom so I forgive you :) Sorry if that sounds condescending, it's not meant to. But you'll be amazed at how much your feelings change as you grow with your children. I made my sister miserable preaching the values of homemade baby food and now my youngest eats the processed stuff all the time. We do what works for us.

I have to say, as a mother who delivered all three of her children by c-section, I appreciate Ms. Bialik's comment about natural birth. She wasn't trying to devalue it, she's just saying that if it's not in the cards for you, it's ok. We get caught up in our ideals and sometimes find it hard to forgive ourselves when we somehow fall short -- even when it's beyond our control. It's a reminder to cut ourselves some slack.

@ampoland -- I am one flat-chested woman. How nice would that be to nurse the baby the way you do?

foodiemama 5 pts

I know I'm far from a "veteran mommy," as my girls are only 2 and 4. But I feel space ages away from that early stage, where it seemed like every little decision you made about sleep, feedings, babywearing, etc. was going to mean the difference between whether your child was a Noble prize winner or an ax murderer.

The older I get, the more I chill out. I know that I love my kids. There are moments I think I'm a great mom, and moments I think I'm a bad one. I'm not afraid to apologize to my kids when I haven't made the best decisions. But I know at the end of the day, my children are being raised in a safe and stable environment by parents who love them endlessly, and that is the best thing for them.

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maybaby 5 pts

Reedu,

I am glad that you wrote what you felt and I'm pleased that BlogHer featured it. I think your piece was emotionally honest and authentic.

I'm sorry you feel "lambasted" in the comments. The cultural, social and economic issues surrounding child-rearing, parenting and breastfeeding are deep and tricky to navigate. Most of the time, the discussion turns vitriolic and shrill. So far, I think the comments on your post have been reasoned and gentle instead. I do apologize if you felt attacked or lectured by my comment, as that was the opposite of my intention.

Thinking about these issues and speaking about them is important and challenging work. I would encourage you to keep thinking, keep writing and keep challenging yourself as you progress on your parenting journey.

I truly don't think you have made any enemies, merely attracted comments from women who have been thinking and living this journey for a while and hope to engage with you on the topic. Mothering (indeed, parenting) in America is inherently controversial and deeply fraught on so many levels that it has become quite difficult to have meaningful discussions, unless all parties involved have largely the same approaches to the work. This renders much of the conversation moot, unfortunately.

Again, I would urge you to keep thinking and writing. Your voice is important and you have much to contribute to the table.

ampoland 5 pts

Breastfeeding is a tricky topic -- I find that my feelings on it evolve pretty much daily at this point. :)

It's interesting nursing with large breasts, because there are some things it took me forever to do; I couldn't walk and nurse until my son was a year old and help support the breast, but in a carrier it's not to hard to get some of that extra support for the structure of the wrap itself. It varies, I imagine.

reedu 5 pts

I appreciated reading what you shared in your comment. Was certainly not looking for enemies here. I wrote what I felt and BlogHer featured it. And you couldn't be more right about our boys being loved - at the end of the day we certainly share that in common. Thanks for taking the time to comment.

~Reedu blogs at ReeWrite ( http://www.reewrite.com ) and The Huffington Post ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/reedu-taha/ )

reedu 5 pts

You are absolutely right. All in this together. Duly noted. Thanks for taking the time to comment.

~Reedu blogs at ReeWrite ( http://www.reewrite.com ) and The Huffington Post ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/reedu-taha/ )

reedu 5 pts

You're right, there definitely are some things we do the same and I believe I noted that. I knew that my age-related breastfeeding comment was going to get me burned. Sigh. If I am still breastfeeding my son when he is three (doubtful) I will follow this blog post up and eat crow for sure! I'm knew to all this, as I also noted, and I don't have it all figured out yet. Heck, I'm not sure that I ever will! Thanks for taking the time to comment.

~Reedu blogs at ReeWrite ( http://www.reewrite.com ) and The Huffington Post ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/reedu-taha/ )

reedu 5 pts

Absolutely in this together, and I hear what you are saying. I see you have an arsenal of children under your belt - I definitely look forward to following milkstained! Thanks for taking it easy.

~Reedu blogs at ReeWrite ( http://www.reewrite.com ) and The Huffington Post ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/reedu-taha/ )

reedu 5 pts

I read what you wrote a couple of times, and I wanted to say thanks for not lambasting me like the others. I knew my age-related breastfeeding comment was going to get me burned. Sigh. If I am still breastfeeding my son a year and a half from now (doubtful) I will follow this blog post up and eat crow for sure! Thanks too for sharing the boob/carrier info., I'm inspired!

~Reedu blogs at ReeWrite ( http://www.reewrite.com ) and The Huffington Post ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/reedu-taha/ )

WatchTheGap 5 pts

If personal attacks are a violation on BlogHer, isn't that what this entire article is towards Dr. Bialik?

My previously removed and now edited comment:

Your large-breasted-women-in-the-snow babywearing argument is invalid. I'm a 36i and I'm nursing a 12 month old, and I can comfortably do so in my Ergo. Why you would choose walking in the snow as the optimal time to breastfeed is beyond me, but if you would like me to photograph myself nursing my son in the Ergo in my front yard filled with a few feed of snow, I'll gladly oblige.

foxykate 5 pts

We're all in this together, aren't we? Let's support another woman when she defines the things she does - especially given that Mayim is a public figure and that she's willing to speak out in support of the parenting practices that are not necessarily in-line with regular ol' American culture.

She didn't 'coin' attachment parenting at all. Attachment Parenting International has 8 Principles of AP listed on their website here:

http://www.attachmentparenting.org/principles/principles.php

I think that Mayim was simply explaining the assumptions that others make based on what they know of her as a mother, and then detailing what's accurate and what doesn't stick.

Take care,@milkstained
FoxyKate

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ampoland 5 pts

I agree that I'm not really sure where you got the judgmental or elitist tone -- it struck me as someone talking about people's perception of AP, and talking about the parenting tactics she uses over the label they fall under. I personally feel that labeling forces us apart because we're "different."

It seems like you agree on a lot of things, and took the things that she doesn't agree on a tad too personally.

Regarding breatfeeding a two year old: my son is almost two now, and while it's completely different than nursing an infant (at least for me), it's still necessary. Culturally, we assign two year olds as little children, and forget that they're still very young, and very new to the world. Breastfeeding has benefits through toddler-hood, and for some people it's natural. You don't have to agree, but I think complaining about an elitist tone and then calling something "perversely strange" is a little pot-calling-kettle.

(And I'm in the large-chested, breastfed in a carrier category. Honestly, I feel like it might be easier -- I've got a lot of breast to manipulate into place, if need be.)

RanaAurora 5 pts

Plenty of my G-I cup friends nurse while baby-wearing as well. Rather than venom, maybe ask for help from the many large-breasted babywearer/nursers?

WatchTheGap 5 pts

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Thedomesticgoddess 6 pts

the sad thing is that the whole point of AP is doing what you feel is best for your children and being free from judgement for doing it. You probably do stuff that AP people do and don't even know it! LOL!

Domestic Engineer, Total Babe and SAHM

RanaAurora 5 pts

Perversely wrong to breastfeed a two and a half year old?

Hmm.

I think you've got a lot of soul-searching to do. When the WHO recommends the minimum age for breastfeeding to be two, it's attitudes like yours that help destroy womens' healthy goals. The fact that you don't have a two year old speaks volumes as well.

Are you going to wean soon because one day that one year old will SUDDENLY be gross? Is it in a month, two months, four months, six? It doesn't happen overnight, you know. There are women who find what YOU'RE doing to be disgusting... and you know as well as I do that they're uneducated and wrong...

*shrug*

Think about what bothers you about a small toddler still nursing. It's something you're gonna need to get over, or expect backlash for refusing to be logical and non-sensationalist over. But most importantly, you've come this far, and it would be a shame to let some completely unfounded weird arbitrary age prevent you from continuing the nursing relationship you struggled to begin.

TheFeministBreeder 5 pts

Well, First I was going to go off about the fact that you are so intensely misinformed about the benefits of breastfeeding a 2 yr old, and how it is not "perverse" in the slightest way possible.

Then I remembered that you said you had ONE baby, just six months old, and I remembered "Oh yeah.. that's right... she has NO idea what she's talking about."

Come back and write posts about what you think your 2.5 yr old will be doing WHEN they are 2.5. Until then? Your speculation about the type of parent you are SURE you'll be is amusing to the rest of us veterans.

Or, save yourself some embarrassment and read this: http://thefeministbreeder.com/a-letter-to-mothers-sitting-atop-a-high-ho... ( http://thefeministbreeder.com/a-letter-to-mothers-sitting-atop-a-high-horse/ )

Signed: The Mother Who NEVER Thought She'd Breastfeed Past 1 Yr Who Then Breastfed a 2.5 Yr Old Because It Worked Out So Much Better Than Stopping

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NotJustAnotherJennifer 7 pts

her post was well-written, actually. I don't agree with all of it, but I felt like her point was that we all need to stop labeling each other and judging others choices and work to give women as much information as we can about the options that are out there and be supportive. She was outlining what she and her family do and how it works for them, and while advocating her choices, not insisting everyone make the same decisions.

NotJustAnotherJennifer is a wife and working mom of two beautiful girls, 3 (going on 13) and 1, which means she's sleep deprived but constantly kept on her toes! Most of those experiences are chronicled on her blog, http://midwestmomments.blogspot.com.

RanaAurora 5 pts

I'm really rather baffled at your seemingly venomous and offended response.
She didn't label herself an attachment parent -- she said she's been labeled her whole life, and it was obviously implied it was done by other people.
The entire point of her post was to say that people get labeled, and then people automatically make assumptions about them from the not-self-imposed label, so she was explaining herself point-by-point.

She was not telling anyone how to parent, nor what to do. The fact that you who seemingly parent similarly find her post offensive speaks much more about your own insecurities than anything she said herself. I'm really, really confused as to where these emotions of yours are even coming from.

I suppose maybe it's because you missed the main point, which was not that she was defining Attachment Parenting, but the exact opposite -- she was explaining HERSELF so people wouldn't just assume that she did whatever they attributed to the title.

myformerlife 6 pts

Actually I found both Ms. Bialik's posting and this one as well both pretty pushy in the "My way is the best way to parent and here's why you should be doing these things too." they both seem to be just different sides of the AP coin, and if that's your thing, more power to you.

But the more I read about all of this attachment parenting stuff, the more judgement I feel for coming way for not buying into it. I think most of us are doing what we feel is best for our children, our lives and our situations. I'm so tired of Moms arguing with other moms...we're all in this together.

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maybaby 5 pts

I agree with Thedomesticgoddess. After reading your post, reading Bialik's, then rereading yours...

You both seem, to me, to be coming from very similar positions. I'm now mid forties, with three kids (19,16,10). We were primarily a family-bed, attachment, sling-wearing family. (And each kid also weaned around 3 years old) I was also an early childhood educator for 11 years and now have taught middle and high school kids for six years...I can say that I see a LOT of families and parenting styles. I have a lot of perspective and a wide population sample upon which to base some generalizations.

As long as the kids have a stable, safe home and a stable, safe adult, guess what? They're fine. Breast fed, bottle fed, cry it out, family bed...whatever. When they're in 6th grade, you can't tell which kid was cloth-diapered, you know?

I worked very hard in early childhood ed and now to convey to parents who are doing a good job that they *are* doing a good job. And then I hand them tissues because most of the time, we moms don't support each other. Especially when the kids are babies. We judge, we tear each other down, we insist that there is a Right Way To Do Things.

The irony in your post is that Bialik seems to want to convey that these are *her* choices and just because this is the way she parents doesn't mean it is the only way...and that moms should stop judging each other--and you proceed to to do exactly that. Not only that, but your ire seems to be raised by, really, vocabulary ("family bed" as opposed to "bed sharing"). The principles seem to be the same. Who cares about the terminology?

Your son is a loved and fortunate little boy, as are Bialik's boys.

Thedomesticgoddess 6 pts

I'm trying to figure out exactly what it was in her post that was so objectionable to you. After reading hers and yours and comparing them side by side, it seems as though you have more in common than you think. I think her point about Natural childbirth was mostly to make you realize that there is no reason to make you feel guilty if you aren't successful at it.

The stroller thing? I get it. I had to have a double because I'm not wearing a 2yo and a newborn on a 130lb frame, mmkay? But honestly, the rest is mostly a matter of semantics. Potato, potahtoe.

The only thing you wrote that struck me funny was the extended breastfeeding comment.Perversely strange? That's an odd comment to me.I guess you don't want to hear that I bf'd the first one until 3 and the other one until just shy of his 3rd. And I tandem nursed. Which means, both at the same time. Nothing perverse about it. In most cultures it is perfectly acceptable practice. And my kids are just fine, not total freaks, either.

You are entitled to your opinion, of course, I just don't see what was so inflammatory about her blog post.

Domestic Engineer, Total Babe and SAHM