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Without the Democratic or Republican parties realizing it, women on the right changed dramatically over the last thirty years.

Many feminists on the left must be asking themselves, "How did we get here? When did conservatives start embracing the word "feminism" with enthusiasm?

Unfortunately, when put to the test, feminists didn't open their arms to their conservative sisters or engage in a lively debate. Rather they borrowed a few phrases and attacks from their patriarchal foes, and the leading matriarchs completely dismissed the notion that conservative voices were needed in the sorority. The feminist spokeswomen -- Gloria Steinem, Jessica Valenti, Amanda Marcotte and others -- were vocal in their frequent attacks of Mama Grizzlies.

Montana, one of two grizzly bears at the San Diego Zoo, explores his enclosure on March 19, 2009. (UPI Photo/Ken Bohn/San Diego Zoo) Photo via Newscom Photo via Newscom

These reactions radically differed from the platitudes that feminist writers and speakers had offered for decades. Given the quotes below, shouldn't conservative women fit in somewhere?

  • My definition of feminism is simply that women are people, in the fullest sense of the word, who must be free to move in society with all the privileges and opportunities and responsibilities that are their human and American right." -Betty Friedan, It Changed My Life: Writings on the Women's Movement, 1976
  • Feminism's agenda is basic: It asks that women not be forced to 'choose' between public justice and private happiness. It asks that women be free to define themselves -- instead of having their identity defined for them, time and again, by their culture and their man."-Susan Faludi, Backlash: The Undeclared War Against American Women, 1991
  • Feminism is no longer a group of organizations or leaders...It's the way we talk about and treat one another. It's who makes the money and who makes the compromises and who makes the dinner. It's a state of mind. It's the way we live now."-Anna Quindlen, New York Times, 1994
  • By feminists, we mean each and every politically and socially conscious woman or man who works for equality. In reality, there is no formal alliance of women we can call “the feminists.”-Jennifer Baumgardener and Amy Richards, Manifesta: Young Women, Feminism and the Future, 2000

What a difference! Contrast those quotes with articles attacking women who identify as conservative feminists. This group is not speaking for all women. They merely women who are willing to side with the Democratic Party and progressive politics.

Somewhere, feminists took conservative women completely out of the equation and decided to marginalize them.

Academia and liberal women discounted the power of conservative women, and we have never been examined as a separate voting bloc. Despite the millions of dollars funneled into gender studies programs, PACS and advocacy groups, virtually no research has been done on conservative women.  Since about 1985, only a handful of academic studies and about two dozen books were published that focused on the role and existence of conservative women. Contrast this to the thousands of books and articles published examining every facet of liberal feminism.

In her book, Righting Feminism, political science professor, Ronnee Schreiber explains:

Inattention to comparably sized and situated feminist organizations, such as the National Organization for Women, would be untenable; yet almost no scholarship exists on national conservative women’s organizations. An examination of these national political actors is long overdue.

We were relegated to Pink Elephants and told to stuff envelopes, phone bank and occasionally throw fundraisers. Both sides neglected to notice that conservative women—like the rest of society—were changing.

Few women and men would argue that 100% of feminism is wrong. Once abortion and marriage issues are separated, most women agree with the concepts of equality in the workplace, sexual harassment laws, Title IX, equal pay laws, and the changes in divorce and custody laws that the feminist movement worked to enact over the last few decades.

Regardless of political philosophy, we are products of the society in which we live. The role of women, even conservative, religious women, has dramatically changed in the last few decades.

Yet a movement was bubbling below the surface.

A few women such as Elizabeth Dole, Sandra Day O’Connor, Kay Bailey Hutcheson and even Phylis Schafly blazed a lonely trail. While we shared some political views,

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Dana Theus 5 pts

Hi AdrienneRoyer . I know I'm late to this particular party but I want to thank you for this. I'm considering a responsive blog post in the current 2012 context and will let you know if I reference you. Long and short of it is that I'm thrilled to see women breaking out of the "voting blocks" we and others have put our selves in. I don't particularly resonate with either liberal or conservative feminism, but I am all about women claiming their power and this is part of it. Thanks for speaking your truth here. 

Vita lingus 5 pts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette#USA

American women's right to vote codified in 1920 consider the history of that

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured_documents/amendment_19/

Marina DelVecchio 5 pts

You are completely misguided -- and talk about using stereotypes to marginalize women, feminists, and both genders.

Regards,

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Marina DelVecchio 5 pts

Adrienne,

Congrats on all your accomplishments, and thank you for this wonderful piece. I am a feminist, and I am conservative, and I teach on the College level -- talk about contradictions, huh? Being conservative and a feminist is a lonely place to be, at least for me. I don't know anyone who agrees with my politics or views. It's as if saying you're a feminist puts you in a very tightly bound box where you can't be anything else. It was nice to read your piece, which exposes how we are excluded from the good fight. And it is done brilliantly.

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MADmoms 6 pts

It is the total cost of government -- federal, state and local taxes and regulations. I wrote about it here: http://www.mothersagainstdebt.com/2010/08/working-for-the-man/

teacherchat2334 5 pts

I really enjoyed reading this piece. Although I don't agree with everything you say (I can't stand Sarah Palin and would not characterize her as someone with whom most American women cam identify), it was interesting to read your Point of View on the whole issue.

I am a feminist, something that I have avoided saying for a long time because of the stereotypes associated with the word. The Friedan quote you have in the beginning of your piece is hanging in my bedroom at home.

Thank you for sharing your point of view and educating me.

BarnMaven 10 pts

Adrienne, can you tell me how you went from calling feminists "whiners" and saying how much you enjoy laughing at them just a few short months ago (http://www.blogher.com/she-feminist-game) to now insisting that you ARE a feminist?

Mary a/k/a BarnMaven blogs at http://www.barnmaven.typepad.com about single parenting, living with ADHD, too many animals to count and dealing with ADHD/Bipolar kids.

Judy Schwartz Haley 34 pts

throughout history smaller groups of women have been a big obstacle to the advancement of women at large. in the fur trading days, native women were granted a great deal of autonomy and respect as wives of the trappers and traders and the emmisaries between the white and native cultures. That is until the white women arrived and would not tolerate being on an equal footing with the native women. Read up on it, it's right there in the history books. "Many tender ties" by Sylvia Van Kirk is a great place to start.

The womens suffrage was slowed because a subset of teetotalling women gave men a specific motivator and rallying point to keep women from getting the vote. Why would men allow women to vote if the most obvious result was that they would no longer be allowed to drink? Women's suffrage arrived in the West first and it is because of the work of a few thoughtful women who were able to get the teetotalers to back off a bit so that the women could get the vote.

And look what a great lot of good teetotalling did for our country anyway. Crime went way up, including crimes against women.

These are just two examples, there are too many more to post in a blog response, but I think I feel an article coming on...

Just recently conservatives, including conservative women, overwhelmingly opposed the Lilly Ledbetter Act. That is NOT an example of conservative women supporting equal pay for women!

The conservative platform is hurtful to women. Sarah Palin is hurtful to women. Women who embrace the conservative platform are not the first to claim to be supporting women's rights while at the same time engaging in activities and spouting rhetoric that actually endangers the rights of women. It's just one more iteration in an ongoing pattern.

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PauleyD 5 pts

My wife is a conservative leaning independent, and can totally relate to what you have written. Totally agree that liberals do not own the "feminist" mantle. I should know--my wife is an educated, strong, independent woman who is the breadwinner for our family. She does me proud:)

Denise 1188 pts moderator

You posted your response in another post about conservative feminism. (there are two, one written by Kbojar and this one written by Adrienne Royer.)

Here's the thread that you commented in:

http://www.blogher.com/white-house-project-age-sarah-palin-and-mama-griz... ( http://www.blogher.com/white-house-project-age-sarah-palin-and-mama-grizzlies )

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aurora1920 5 pts

I'm new at blogging and this blogging site. I thought SURE I'd sent in a long blog from auror1920 on this topic but don't see it here! Did it get cancelled for some reason? Did I hit the wrong button?

Kim Pearson 18 pts

I would love to know two things:

1. How do you account for (heterosexual) male feminists?
2. What are your data sources?

Kim Pearson
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Dave 5 pts

Feminism is neither left or right, it is both, and always has been.

What is a feminist? - resentful, belligerent and quarrelsome. Feminists are also usually ignorant and misinformed with weak self control. They use to be called ‘men haters’ and ‘troublemakers’. They have always been around throughout human history and their main intent is to create ill will, bad feeling, and malice between men and women.

The cause is the maternal instinct which regards men as either a mating object when in lust, or a potential danger to the family unit to be driven away when not, by making life as difficult as possible. The male equivalent - male aggression - is the pack hunting instinct. Throughout history this has resulted in armies and wars.

Mature and well balanced people recognise the problems and control their instincts and emotions using basic social skills and practical common sense, something the feminist is very lacking in.

suebob 33 pts

The loosest estimation of how much Americans spend on taxes is 31%. Wondering where you got your figure.

Kim Pearson 18 pts

First of all, let me say that i found much of this post interesting. I have a better understanding of what you think the issues are.

A few thoughts:
1. There are, and have been, many "feminisms," and many critiques of feminism from inside and outside of the movement. (I'm using that word for lack of a better one.) Angela Davis is not Gloria Steinem is not Rebecca Walker is not Gloria Andalzua is not Anna Julia Cooper is not Mark Anthony Neal is not Simone de Beauvoir is not Germaine Greer is not Leslie Feinberg is not Audre Lorde is most definitely not Betty Friedan is not Patricia Hill Collins. Yet, all of these people have had the feminist label attached to them, and they each have a viewpoint that is worth understanding. So when a critique of feminism is advanced, I need to know whose notion of feminism we are talking about.

2, When it comes to conservative female voices, I'm struck by the fact that Kay Bailey Hutcheson has been so consistently overlooked. I always thought she would have been a smarter choice for McCain in 2008, although I understand that her age and stance on abortion worked against her. But she knows the issues, and is whip-smart.

Kim Pearson
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victorias_view 2726 pts moderator

Why can't we all just meet in the middle and get along?

Nordette Adams 11 pts

It would be great if this post answered one question: why do conservative women want the label "feminist"? Why the sudden love of this word/label, especially why does Palin want to be called a "feminist"? Does she respect the women who've defined the word? Do you?

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BarnMaven 10 pts

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JennaHatfield 177 pts

You claim that the fault lies with liberal women as for the so-called nastifying of the word feminist. To be honest, I refused to admit that I was indeed a feminist until I was twenty-three (or so) because of how negatively the conservative women in my hometown portrayed, talked about and regarded feminists in general.

It's not all one side's fault. You can point fingers. You can blame your sister. You can blame me. I can blame my grandmother. Until we stop playing into stereotypes, on all sides, we'll just keep arguing with each other instead of addressing the issues that truly need addressed.

It's kind of tired at this point.

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Deb Rox 20 pts

You did not offer the phrases about attractiveness as a stereotype to be assessed. You perpetuated the stereotype and suggested that the "new blood" was a need antedote.

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Deb Rox 20 pts

I was so disgusted by a few things in the post that I commented without reading the other comments, and now see that BarnMaven hit on the same phrase.

Really, really not okay.

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Deb Rox 20 pts

"They're attractive and have not eschewed makeup nor men. You can imagine seeing them at the grocery store or calling them up for the PTA."

This is the type of offense crap that costs Grizzlies the respect they otherwise deserve and entirely takes away from your point.

If you are afraid to call up an "unattractive" non-make-up-wearer who may or may not be lesbians to the PTA, your loss--though she's probably already been to a PTA committee working for her community and her kids and has moved on to her next social service stop of the day. Or maybe she's at the grocery store. Unattractive non-makeup-wearing women who may or may not be lesbians gotta eat, too.

Good God.

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BarnMaven 10 pts

I think Sarah Palin is very attractive. She's appealing, and I don't resent her because of it, not at all. I don't see it being brought up as much as you seem to think it is, but maybe I'm not reading that many political blogs.

I think its unfair to women period to focus on looks, and the characterization of liberal feminists as ugly and unattractive is one that has been used for years to trivialize feminism. If you call yourself a feminist, really, then those words should not be coming from your lips (or from the ends of your fingers, as the case may be).

Here is a quote by me, from a blog post I wrote in June of this year:

"And that thought is that we either ALL benefit or none of us do. That to me part of being a feminist is fighting for the right of women not to be torn down by other women. "

Full post can be read here:
http://www.barnmaven.com/2010/06/woman-eternally-conflicted.html

You'll note I say not one single word about Sarah Palin's looks.

Mary a/k/a BarnMaven blogs at http://www.barnmaven.typepad.com about single parenting, living with ADHD, too many animals to count and dealing with ADHD/Bipolar kids.

Dawn 8 pts

and mixing issues which are not truly relevant.

Gendered stereotypes are not the same as feminism.

I could say, for instance, that I find Conservatives to be small minded, and judgmental, who fail to see the big picture while wrapping themselves in the very rights they seek to deny others.

That, however, would be an unfair stereotype. True?

I could give a rats ass what Sarah Palin LOOKS like - it is the things which spill out of her mouth that I find offensive and ill informed. Do we know attractive women get further or have "smoother paths"? Um, yeah. I am pretty sure we had all grasped that by 5th grade. It is not a feminist issue - it is a messed up societal issue.

The BASIC problem remains... You want me to give you leeway to "define" yourself, while simultaneously advocating the denial of a right or rights I feel are fundamental to MY definition of ME.

You can't have it both ways. There Is no common ground in that tenant. I think we tried all of those "side steps" in trying to bring pre civil war slave owning states and free states together under laws and later Jim Crow.

Separate but equal doesn't exist when one side is fundamentally being denied equality.

And frankly, if you are working with a 1963 stereotype of what "feminists" like and don't like, you are working with a purposefully limited world view.

Veronique_B 5 pts

The stereotype that liberal feminists hate men and don't like makeup is about as old, and relevant, as the idea of feminists burning their bras. The anti-men thing was only ever true about a hard core of radical (not liberal) feminists, and women either use makeup, sometimes use it, use it lightly, or don't use it without regard to their politics.

You say you want a discussion, Adrienne. I think that's fine. But let's actually discuss, not try to score points.

AdrienneRoyer 8 pts

It is a stereotype that liberal feminists hate men and don't like makeup. I would be remiss to not address it.

This is still an issue among feminists given the level of debate on ladyblogs involving appearance.

If you are offended by one small comment referencing Palin's appearance, chances are you never gave the post a chance to begin with. There's much more in there than one silly critque of a stereotype that has been perpetuated by both the right and left since the 60s.

Also, liberal bloggers bring up Palin's appearance in nearly every single post. If this is offensive, why does your side continue to write about it?

AdrienneRoyer 8 pts

Karen,

Go back and read the paragraph. I listed Sandra Day O'Connor as an example. She was nominated by Reagan. Otherwise, she has absolutely nothing in common with Schafly. I believe you're inferring too much there.

BarnMaven 10 pts

". They're attractive and have not eschewed makeup nor men. You can imagine seeing them at the grocery store or calling them up for the PTA. "

Excuse me?

I consider myself attractive. I wear makeup - much of the time, anyway. I go to the grocery store. I like men. And I'm a liberal.

Your insinuation about what liberal feminists look like, what their sexuality is, that they don't lead normal, suburban lives is EXTREMELY offensive to me. You lost whatever points you might have made with that sentence alone.

Mary a/k/a BarnMaven blogs at http://www.barnmaven.typepad.com about single parenting, living with ADHD, too many animals to count and dealing with ADHD/Bipolar kids.

kbojar 7 pts

Please don’t put Sandra Day O’Connor in the same company as Phyllis Schlafly. Although certainly not a woman of the left, O’Connor has been generally credited with fashioning the compromises which saved abortion rights and affirmative action.

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Dawn 8 pts

No feminist I have known or know has a "Cavalier" attitude regarding abortion. That is something that a certain segment of the population tries to use to paint one side as "Cavalier" and the other side as "concerned/caring".

Not true. Not fair.

However you feel about the political issue of abortion, it does boil down the very basic tenet of feminism.

Ability to decide for oneself.

If one is not able to control ones reproductive health, where can there be freedom and equality?

And we aren't talking about a free for all here - and you know it. However, if I - an Adult American woman - cannot have the right to decide if I want to continue a pregnancy or not - regardless or YOUR belief system, where can there be equality for me?

Re Sarah Palin specifically, I resented her attempts to paint herself as some new feminist messiah. As if women - for centuries - have not had careers, raised children and otherwise ran a household. Honestly, you'd think she was the first. Therefore I took her cries of criticism as "Not Fair" over the very issues she was purporting to be an "expert" about to be weak. When she wrapped that up into "You are being mean to me cause I am a woman", I felt it was a double slap.

As in Spare me.

The Republican Party simply latched onto their own "talking points" and waited to see if women would buy them. Many did not.

The stereotype of man-hating, ugly feminists should be left in the 60's as well. As a 40 year old woman, I am completely comfortable with my femininity, marital status and motherhood.

However, I say again - ANY portion of the populace who wants to deny me ANY freedoms about the control and use of my body will be resisted. Any portion of the population who wants to deny my Daughter any of those things will be resisted. And I fight for Your daughters and sisters too. To have the right to CHOOSE what is right for them. Not prescribe - CHOOSE.

PS - It is a long understood issue that one of the best ways to undermine your "enemy" is to get a member of the "Other" to do your propaganda. Its so much easier that way. It is a tool involving relational aggression, and well documented. It is the basis of my post: Men Kill Their Weak; Women Kill Their Strong:
http://balefulregards.blogspot.com/2010/04/men-kill-their-weak-women-kil... ( http://balefulregards.blogspot.com/2010/04/men-kill-their-weak-women-kill-their.html )

Veronique_B 5 pts

As I keep saying. It's even a conservative principle -- individual responsibility.

Be well.

philacluw 5 pts

Progressive, feminist women's organizations have been working on all issues that impact a women's ability to take advantage of all the opportunities a free society claims to provide. Abortion is certainly one of them, and yes, there's plenty of noise associated with the issue, on both sides, amplified by the media's love for controversy.

I'm active in more than one feminist organization for whom reproductive rights are a secondary issue, at best. True, the TV cameras don't come out as often when we talk about equal pay and other workplace discrimination issues,(though they sometimes do for sexual harassment), or Title IX, but that doesn't mean feminists haven't been working year in, year out, for change on all these fronts for the past 40 years. Give us a little credit too.

AdrienneRoyer 8 pts

Feminism has been an evolving issue for me. It was only when I started working at a nonprofit working with girls and working under a staunch feminist in 2008 that I began exploring the movement. In fact, I remember asking an Eagle Forum person at CPAC 2008 if conservative feminism was possible. She said no.

Until a few months ago, I wasn't welcomed. Then more and more conservative women started speaking up, and I've slowly started accepting the label of conservative feminist.

Conservative women have work to do. There are free-market and pro-freedom alternatives, and we need to promote them. Issues such as Title IX are stickier. I think the program ultimately helped girls, but philosophically, I'm opposed to the government intervention. Do the ends justify the means? What about the ramifications on men's sports and activities like cheerleading? Those are issues that I'm working out. I wrote a blog post ( http://www.adrienneroyer.com/2009/12/09/title-ix-discriminates/ ) exploring this last year.

Please give my generation credit, especially younger conservatives. On the whole, we're pretty open-minded and more libertarian than our parents.

If liberal women have been discussing these issues, it hasn't risen above the abortion noise. The two movements are going to have to agree to disagree, and move on.

philacluw 5 pts

Someone mentioned being stuck in the 1960s. Must have meant you.

Lisse 11 pts

Palin and the other Mama Grizzlies are certainly free to be who they are in their own lives. It's when they want to fundamentally limit that freedom for other women that we have a problem with the basic definition of feminism.

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philacluw 5 pts

Mrs. Graves - I've heard even liberal stay at home wives/mothers say they were put off by feminists who looked down on their choice. That's not a universally held position of liberal feminists, or a tenet of our beliefs, but it does reflect the judgement (and bad manners at dinner parties) of some. I agree with you that that kind of behavior has been counterproductive to the unity of women. And I think it's changing. Educated younger women seem to view being a SAHM as one of many legitimate choices they have, wihout compromising their belief that they should be able to do anything their hearts desire and their brains prepare them for.

In the early days of the feminist movement, passions ran much stronger, the obstacles for women were much greater, and the partisanship and rhetoric was white hot. I like to think we've raised our daughters and sons to be more tolerant and take a broader view.

AdrienneRoyer 8 pts

To a great extent, it appears that feminists are stuck in the 1960s. Why are we hashing out the same talking points endlessly? Why?

As I've said before, abortion is not an either/or issue. There's a spectrum of attitudes and opinions that are never discussed. I'm 100% pro-life, but I'm pro-contraception and believe we should have some form of sex ed in schools.

Abortion polarizes people. It stops the conversation. There is absolutely no way to comfortably address this issue. It either spurs religious/moral debates or becomes a callous "Yea! Abortion!" discussion that women over at Feministing like to have.

With modern science and advances in birth control, I believe it is irresponsible for feminists to have such a cavalier attitude. Abortion is a dangerous and invasive medical procedure. Just last week, we witnessed the howls that feminists made when Virginia decided to regulate abortion clinics more stringently. Why? That's putting the safety of women first.

Feminists, please give women more credit than just having a uterus. We're more than our girly parts. Move on past abortion or update the talking points.

philacluw 5 pts

I was surprised and encouraged to read this paragraph in your post:

"Few women and men would argue that 100% of feminism is wrong. Once abortion and marriage issues are separated, most women agree with the concepts of equality in the workplace, sexual harassment laws, Title IX, equal pay laws, and the changes in divorce and custody laws that the feminist movement worked to enact over the last few decades."

Surprised, because your posts in comment on another blog led me to think you rejected the entire historic feminist agenda, much less achieving it through legislation or the courts. Also surprised because conservatives have fought vociferously against these fundamental steps toward equality for women (and still do), and your posts suggest you're in agreement with that agenda.

I agree that it is the highly personal issues surrounding reproductive rights and marriage that divide many women along partisan lines. I don't think that will change because they are so emotionally charged and, for some, inextricably tied to their religious beliefs. I remember about ten years ago, there was an initiative among a handful of pro-choice and pro-life groups to find some common ground on related issues and work for change- access to birth control and education, pre-natal care, adoption assistance, etc. It quickly fell apart.

I don't quite understand your closing remarks. Liberal feminists have been talking about advancing women's rights - and their relationship to the economy, health care, etc., for generations. Beyond being attacked as men-hating, anti-family babykillers, I am unaware of attempts by conservative women to engage in discussion with us. If you, at 28, are a reflection of a new generation that wants to discuss, debate, maybe even find issues we can work on together, I think that would be true feminist advancement.

lisanoel03 7 pts

Does feminism really boil down to just one issue for most people? It sure seems to. And honestly, I'm all for a women's right to control her own body however, in MOST cases that woman already made her CHOICE. VERY VERY few abortions are done that are related to rape or incest so spouting those situations is pretty much pointless. But, lets say for arguments sake that a woman gets pregant despite her responsible effort not to, I know its happens, I'll introduce you to my 2 efforts sometime they're great kids. I am totally for allowing her to make a fully informed choice. But I have never met a single woman who has had an abortion that was in any way shape or form fully advised of the likely outcomes of an abortion. Clearly, we all understand that it terminates a pregnancy but an astonishing number of women who undergo abortions end up with severe depression, become suicidal, turn to alcohol or drugs or attempt to become pregnant again afterward because of the overwhelming psychological affects.
Giving women the "choice" to forever affect their lives because society tells them that it will be easy and keeping a baby will ruin their lives does NOT seem like the empowering thing to do for women.

Veronique_B 5 pts

It's not about labels and permission to use, of course, and I'm sure you know that. But words have meanings. I could claim to be something, but just saying it would not make it true.

Are you saying that feminism is not about women's equality and the ending of oppression? Are you trying to redefine feminism to fit conservatism?

I know there are other issues, but truly, choice is fundamental. Choice allows each individual woman to make the best decision for herself. Isn't that what you just said feminism is?

NotJustAnotherJennifer 7 pts

for writing this. I have always felt out of place. Not liberal enough for the feminists, but too liberal for the conservatives. I feel like while the feminist movement has brought many wonderful things to the table, it has also alienated the blessings of being a woman in favor of shedding all true femininity to keep up with the men.

Jennifer Barr is a wife and working mom of two beautiful girls, 3 going on 13 and 9 months, which means she's sleep deprived but constantly kept on her toes! Most of those experiences are chronicled on her blog, http://midwestmomments.blogspot.com.

Dawn 8 pts

Feminism, like many movements, tends to be dominated by one "section" of a society. In this case, fairly well off, liberal oriented White Women - which is why the world view of the movement gets skewed.

However, I have always remained puzzled at how a "conservative" feminist can ask me to allow her to define her life - while asking me simultaneously to allow her to define MY life via political/life choice issues.

I get your argument. However, I reject the comparison of Hillary Clinton to Sarah Palin. Different playing fields entirely, given their age and career paths. Apples and Oranges.

I think one of the fundamental issues is that the political climate does mot promote discussion, nor the room to allow people to hold opposing, but equally valid, viewpoints.

I look at the conservative women and think "They don't want me to challenge them either - cause they will tell me I am wrong"

and as far as Michelle Bachmann? I think you would be well served to take her out of the mix entirely. She suffers from the crazy and it has nothing to do with her gender.

rightwingwomen 5 pts

Wonderful post! I am a feminist, but I do NOT identify with the pro-abortion, man hating radical "feminisim" that has been spewed for years by the left. I love God, my country, life and men!

Thanks for posting such an insightful article. The quotes themselves are eye-opening!

Julie

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MADmoms 6 pts

"Feminism is essentially a progressive movement: equality for women, ending oppression of women, and really in favour of equality for all and an end to oppression. How can someone claim to be a feminist while not allowing women control over their own bodies?"

Feminists traded individual freedom for "control" over the ability to get an abortion. They tethered themselves to the progressives and supported the massive expansion of government spending that hurts women and working families. That's not equality. It's a sell out for one issue.

We work to feed and clothe our children and roughly 64 percent of our gross income goes to pay for government -- federal, state and local taxes and regulations. All that time away from my kids and most of my money goes to government -- and what do I get? My teenage daughter can get an abortion without me knowing. Thanks feminists! That's a lousy trade! (BTW -- I don't oppose all abortion rights.)

It is time to do more than just change the definition of feminism. It's time to change the movement.

AdrienneRoyer 8 pts

That's the basic debate. Who says feminism can only promote progressive issues?

Effectively, who made liberal women queens over the universe and able to grant permission to use the feminist label?

Per the definitions (and others that I didn't use) feminism is empowering women to make the best decisions for their lives.

Either the entire movement says, "Oh my bad. We lied for the past 30 years" or the movement needs to follow what they've been preaching.

Veronique_B 5 pts

"Unfortunately, when put to the test, feminists didn't open their arms to their conservative sisters or engage in a lively debate."

Unfortunately, when put to the test, when Sarah Palin claims to be a feminist, it doesn't add up. She can use the word, but in doing so she makes it meaningless.

Feminism is essentially a progressive movement: equality for women, ending oppression of women, and really in favour of equality for all and an end to oppression. How can someone claim to be a feminist while not allowing women control over their own bodies? Pro-choice simply means being in favour of individual choice -- something that modern conservatives in fact *ought* to be in favour of, if they are consistent. Those who don't want abortions choose not to have them. That's what choice is about. And taking that choice away is not feminism.

If you want a conservative feminism, then you're going to have to reinvent conservatism to *be* feminist. You can't reinvent feminism to be conservative as conservatism is current constituted.

Mrs_Graves 5 pts

For a long, long time I've not regarded myself as a feminist because of the backlash I've felt from my peers for considering myself more Conservative than Liberal. The vibe I've always gotten is: "How can you say you believe in womens' rights and yet are content being a SAHM/housewife and don't agree with 2nd & 3rd term abortion?"

Being the wife of a successful and educated man has its drawbacks. The majority of my husband's peers' wives are college educated, work outside the home, and have been Liberal Feminists since their freshman year of college. What I bring to the table at dinner parties is laughable to them. And I won't lie...it made me bitter. So bitter I dedicated two blog posts to my anger towards "feminism".

I am hopeful that I can (eventually) be appreciated and respected by my Liberal counterparts even though we do not see eye to eye. I always believed Feminism was about uniting women for the cause of women...but as a Conservative woman, I have always felt left out and shunned.