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I caught a story about a special needs girl being bullied -- by her teacher -- this morning on the Today Show. It stopped me dead in my tracks. It probably shouldn't have. Given all the crazy going around, it is probably par for the course, but I guess I'm more optimistic than I often give myself credit for.

I want to believe that people are kind, generous, patient, and loving. Especially those who teach. You take on the responsibility of a classroom, full of kids. These kids have different abilities. And it's your responsibility to provide a safe learning environment for each of these children.

I love teachers. My husband is one of them. I just volunteered in my son's K-3 classroom and truly enjoyed my time. It was like wrangling wild horses...and fun!

How could these two woman team up against this special needs child? How could the principal not take his/her investigation one step farther? Why not talk to the other kids in the class? Why did the superintendent threaten the family who were simply voicing a legitimate concern?

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The family received an award of $300K from a civil suit against the district. I think they should have gotten more. The teacher's aide resigned. The teacher took a bullying class and is now on unpaid leave for the rest of the year. The family thinks she shouldn't be allowed to teach again. I must agree with them. The state needs to pull her license. A doctor's license would be pulled. You better believe your bottom dollar that if my child was enrolled in this crazy's class, I'd be demanding another teacher and she would be required to stay away from my kid.

This story is terrible for so many reasons. The fact that these two monsters could say such things to a child, let alone a special needs child is unbelievable. One of them told the girl that she was fat. I want to slap her upside her head and then put a mirror in front of her fat face.

As a mother of two children, one who is getting speech help and one who had major skull surgery when she was 6-months-old, I worry for my kids that they will get made fun of. As the aunt of a child who has Down syndrome, I worry that kids will be mean to her as she grows and enters school and the community. I always worry that other children will be the bully... it never dawned on me that a teacher may be the bully.

Good luck to this family. And to those two monsters... I hope this bites you in the butt so hard that those teeth marks are permanent!

Anyone else read/see this story? Did you vomit a little???

CroMom

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Sunshine Praises 5 pts

This school district is the next one over from ours. It is rural and good ol' boy system and PATHETIC!!!! I wrote a post about it too. I am so disgusted by the reaction of the school and also the community. I can't believe that parents are not flooding the school board with calls and threats not to reelect. It is a sad day. Most people in that area fall below the poverty line and are also uneducated (according to Ohio statistics). I think that the school leaders know they can get away with this. I wish I voted in that area.

JennaHatfield 73 pts

Sunshine Praises I was shocked too at the reaction. I'm a bit further east. If it was my school district, ... just ugh.

CroMom 5 pts

Sunshine Praises

I didn't realize that it was a poorer district...it shouldn't matter.

CroMom 5 pts

One thing I want to make clear is that I do not think that all teachers are bad. Like any other profession - there are the good and the bad. People should be educated on how to deal with special needs students. if a teacher doesn't agree with the philosophies of the school then they should find a place where their opinions do mesh with the philosophies of the school and the district.

In general I think teachers do a wonderful job and that it is a highly under recognized over stressed career.

Kellywpa 5 pts

My nephew is a Downs child that is only 8. My sister and her husband already had to move him to a different school because the teachers were so mean to him.

CroMom 5 pts

Kellywpa

My in laws are already stressing about it and thinking abotu moving. The baby is 3 months old. I keep telling them to relax. There is no need to sell your house and move now. There are a few years before you need to react. No need to make bad decision because you feel rushed.

KentuckyGal 6 pts

When the teacher is the bully, you tell the vice principal. When s/he blows you off, you tell the principal. When s/he blows you off, you tell the district. When they call the principal, the principal calls you in and threatens your other children's access to accommodations they need to 'fit in' at school. And the school calls CPS on you. How do I know? I lived it. We now homeschool our 3 children and they are progressing far more rapidly than they did before.

CroMom 5 pts

KentuckyGal

So sorry to hear that. Not all public schools are bad!!! Like any other profession there are good and bad people.

JennaHatfield 73 pts

KentuckyGal I am so sorry that you experienced that.

NokomisMichelle 7 pts

You guys, you have no idea how common this is. I have to do something.

CroMom 5 pts

NokomisMichelle

Keep vigilant and press the issue. The principles are not the last person on the chain of command. The school board members always carry weight.

flowerdot555 6 pts

I am a veteran teacher and remember bullying teachers when I was in school. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior. Teachers should be champions of students, not bullies the children fear. The comments these two women made to the child were hateful and continuous. They did it in front of each other, and neither was shocked by the other’s words. This confirms that it was not the first time it had happened. They obviously have a history of verbally abusing their students, and it sounds as if they enjoyed doing so. I wish they felt shame about their actions, but I would be surprised if either of them does. The teacher should lose the privilege of working with children. However, she should not be provided with a county office position just to separate her from children. If she had struck the child, there would be no question about her fitness to hold a job in the education field. The verbal abuse she has subjected this child to-and most likely countless others-will last much longer than any bruises she could have inflicted. She should be fired.

mylavenderave 5 pts

My son was bullied by his 1st grade teacher. The principal would not do anything about it - wouldn't even let us change teachers. She told us to our faces that our son "wasn't as smart as we thought he was" and that he "needed to be taken down a notch or two." I am still not sure how a 6 year old could be over confident. We recently had him take an IQ test and the composite score was 133. There are days when I'd like to have a chat with that teacher, but I'm really trying to let it go.We removed our son from the school and sent him to a charter school. Things were much better, but now, over 5 years later, we are still seeing the consequences of her treatment of him. I hear that she is now in a team teaching situation, but still with 1st and 2nd graders. Absolutely no consequences for her behavior. It makes me crazy.

jillicious 9 pts

By the way, when we went right up the chain of command..it just continued..political sometimes!

jillicious 9 pts

If you knew how often I have seen this and been subjected to this kind of behavior (friends and family), nothing new to me. I have actually had a couple of relatives over the years who had graduate level teaching degrees who would totally admit to participating in this awful behavior.."I just couldn't stand the kid" etc. A sign of emotional and intellectual immaturity.

I had a vision impaired brother who was so damaged by the time he was out of HS because of this behavior..still makes me sick.

It can be slights, not calling on the child, standing in front of them..the malicious attention seekers. Time for the educational system to get rid of these teachers and deal with the children who imitate this behavior.

CroMom 5 pts

jillicious

In my previous life I was a drug and alcohol counselor for juvenile deliquent boys. It was a tough crowd, and probably very different that a "typical" school (maybe not so different from many inner city schools). Anyway, Teachers are handed a very difficult hand sometimes. Kids have certain personalities and they don't always mesh with a teacher, sometimes the teacher just sucks, sometimes the kid just sucks. There are so many variables to way the system doesn't always work.

StellaCadente 5 pts

I know a kid who was at the very least dyslexic and probably had other learning issues. He was picked on by a teacher. He never recovered. He talked about going to vet tech school, but couldn't make it through high school. He got married at 19, with no job, no car, no prospects and a baby on the way. He and the mother fought a lot. One of the fights, she used the baby as a shield. Now, the kid is in prison. I don't condone the wholesale bashing of teachers, but that one teacher had a lot to do with this kid's downfall and I hope she is suffering somewhere.

lainierenee 17 pts

I was bullied by teachers and college professors. It made me stronger in a lot of ways but, it still sucked at the same time.

LadyGeographic 7 pts

I had the same problem in middle school. The teacher refused to answer questions, made me sit alone at a desk in the back of the room, and I had so much homework my father had to carry my backpack. All because she had a run in with my mother a few years before. No one believed me and I almost failed the class till another student mentioned what was happening to his mother who was on the school board. I was moved to another class an my grade went from an F to an A in just a couple weeks.

If you do not want to teach get the H E double hockey sticks out of the classroom.

sinsing 7 pts

I had a sixth grade teacher who bullied me in school,and this was back when they

did'nt have any way to prove that she was doing it.My parents did'nt believe me so I

suffered until the end of the school year.I found this Lady again years later on the internet I told her who I was, and I told her off.I don't think she cared but it made me feel better!

anneisanne 9 pts

Obviously this teacher is a giant douchebag, but I'm against the recording of teachers and playing back sound bites that could seriously be taken out of context. As a teacher, I did tell kids at times that they were being lazy (of course, I framed it as a choice, not like this teacher, who seems to frame it as an insult). It chills me that someone could have recorded that and it could end up in the public sphere.

Of course, those parents might not have felt they had any other alternative. And that's definitely an awful place to be.

CroMom 5 pts

anneisanne

That is a good point. I think I agree that in general I would not like to have people going around taping teachers (or others) then posting sound bites to suite their needs. Thanks

JennaHatfield 73 pts

anneisanne It would depend on state law. In Pennsylvania, you have to alert people before you record them or it can't be used. Hence why when you call support lines, they give you the, "This call is being recorded for training purposes." And to cover their collective legal ass.

If you live in a state where that law isn't the case, it's true that things could be taken out of context. These ladies, of course, weren't taken out of context. The things that they said were wrong -- whether they were from a bigger, longer conversation or just stand alone comments. Verbal abuse is verbal abuse. Giving kids a choice between being lazy with work or completing it is somewhat different than calling them fat.

LadyGeographic 7 pts

JennaHatfieldanneisanne

This is very true. However, I love the ones that say, "This call -may- be recorded ect ect."

You could take it as giving permission to record. As you would say, "Yes you -may- have that candy."

So I always wondered if you recorded it would it be legally allowed as evidence?

StellaCadente 5 pts

anneisanne My guess is this teacher got recorded because the family was aware there was something going on and that was their only recourse. I don't generally expect the FBI to be recording my life, but if I start selling drugs and someone wears a wire to the next deal ...

KarenLynnn 346 pts

i watched it and got angry too. i'm so glad that bullying is getting national attention. it's been like this for years. :(

CroMom 5 pts

KarenLynnn

And only getting worse thanks to the anonimity of the internet and social media.

alovelything 5 pts

It's terrible when you can't trust adults, especially those in authority.

Unfortunately, it isn't new. Back in the 70s, my second grade teacher was a bully. She pulled my hair a number of times and, almost daily, called my dad a baby killer (he was in the Army and in Vietnam at the time.) I never told anyone. I did spit in lunch once when she wasn't looking. ;)

KarenLynnn 346 pts

alovelything oh my gosh that is terrible :( good for you for spitting in her lunch. *hugs* to the little girl in you

JennaHatfield 73 pts

alovelything I think you're awesome, but I'm sorry you endured that. :(

CroMom 5 pts

alovelything

that is awful! :(

DanielleBarnsley 12 pts

This is sad, and terrible. Sickening! The worst part, is that I wonder how often this does happen? This is not the first child who was bullied by her teachers, and it makes me ill to know that it took that much effort and abuse for the school district to do something. Why aren't we finding ways to stop this behavior from adults?

That woman should NOT teach or be near children again. Both of them. No excuses for their behavior, there just is not a single reason for it.

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JennaHatfield 73 pts

difbutdeterm Yes and no. I logically know that these things happen. After a food fight in first grade, my teacher threw a marker at me. So, yes, I knew that these things happened in the early 80's.

But seeing as how I'm new to the schooling system now, I still want to believe that the teachers who are in charge of my children for more hours per day than me are treating them with, if not love, respect. I'm an optimist, like the author of this post. I think that chastising people for being shocked isn't exactly fair. It SHOULD be shocking and we SHOULD be talking about it.

jillicious 9 pts

JennaHatfielddifbutdeterm special needs children, children, are victimized regularly in the public school system. For parents that might be high profile, income..these things might never be something they are party too. Although, I know of a situation where my son was continually placed near a really disruptive student who had an assigned aid..and some parents said no to having their child next to this student and it was respected. Too much politics..

KarenLynnn 346 pts

jilliciousJennaHatfielddifbutdeterm we were bullied by teachers in catholic school too. that was in the late 60's early 70's.

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DanielleBarnsley 12 pts

difbutdeterm I agree with Jenna.

Obviously, if it's been happening for years, then perhaps conversations are beyond necessary.

It's new to that little girl who had to endure it's new to those of us who figured there were things in place to protect our children from adult bullies.

CroMom 5 pts

difbutdeterm

Yeah, I know it goes on...I remember being in 1st grade catholic school and the teacher pulling a girl out into the hallway by her ear. She pulled her earring right through her ear. No one made a big deal about it. Still tell that story...I just would think that in this day and age that we would know better and do better...I mean my parents drove us around with no seatbelt on, let alone a car seat...I couldn't imagine doing that today!

JennaHatfield 73 pts

I did watch it. And I was ... mad. Horrified. Angry. Sad. Back to mad. And then I stayed mad. My husband was equally upset, though quieter about it as I'm the loud one in our relationship.

I explained to him that if something of that nature ever happened to our sons, he would be bailing me out of jail. Want to watch me get all Mama Bear on you? Bully my child -- as an adult to a child. I get upset enough when kids are mean to my kids -- but ADULTS? Oh man. OH MAN.

Thank you for writing about this, because I've been stewing all morning.

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Polish Mama on the Prairie
Polish Mama on the Prairie

I was bullied by my 3rd grade teacher (I was not special needs or anything but she definitely hated my mother and immigrants, she even basically said so). I have holes in my education that specifically stem from that and I carry a deep hatred for that woman. Teachers should be psychologically evaluated thoroughly before being allowed to teach.

Sara Miller Lueders
Sara Miller Lueders

I KNOW!!!! I saw this on the Today Show this morning too and I was OUTRAGED!! That poor little girl...shame on those "teachers"...they should not be able to teach EVER again ANYWHERE!

Nikki Myszkowski
Nikki Myszkowski

I have to say that after 4 years of being bullied by teachers, it's about time the parents wired their daughter with a recorder to get proof of actions. This is absolutely disgusting to think these women were saying anythin gof the kind to a child. What really gets me is the dad said at one point that one of these teachers had grabbed his daughter by the shirt and jerked her out of her seat. Since when is a teacher allowed to touch any student in any manner and get away with it, let alone in an aggressive manner. I would absolutely be making arrangements if a teacher ever touched my son in any way. How dare anyone treat a child like this and as a teacher, children tend not to speak up right away because they are authority figures in their lives and they aretaught to listen, respect and not back talk. Thank God these parents found out before it got any worse, not that this wasn't bad enough but you never know.

Debbie Calianno
Debbie Calianno

Good question. It is hard to get the school to take action. You hate to have to sneak in a tape recorder but we have to protect our kids. No is entitled to bully anyone. We all need to expose bullies no matter who they are.

Robyn Jones
Robyn Jones

This makes me furious. Nothing witty to say, just makes me furious.

Al Bacon
Al Bacon

I saw that as well and saw that they had to use a tape recorder to prove what the girl was saying but it makes me wonder how many other teachers may be like that and how it affects other teachers perhaps. I saw a case some years ago where a school could not get rid of a teacher like that so they refused to ever give any teacher tenure again and a young teacher started crying because this one person had ruined her future.

Michelle Ng-Whitehead
Michelle Ng-Whitehead

Truly frightening. :(