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What Editors Think Of Writers -- The Most Honest Advice Ever By Gina Barreca (Part Of A 10 Part Publishing Series)

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“What do editors want?”

Adding to our discussion of real-life experience in the world of publishing, the fourth voice we’ll hear is from the Editor-at-Large of an internationally known and well-respected magazine, one with a professional as well as popular readership. A successful author in her own right as well as an experienced editor, “Hanna Errant” (her alias, as if you couldn’t tell) maps some unnerving changes in the publishing industry over the last twenty years:

“Young hopefuls stream into our offices wanting to write. A few are lucky to be selected as interns. They will write short pieces, help bloggers with their posts, open the many packages of books and perform other high-minded tasks for months, hoping a staff position opens up.

What is notable about these would-be writers is how crest-fallen they are when their first writing efforts emerge from the editors’ hands. A typical piece might bear the handiwork of two editors, one junior and one more senior. And even though the pieces are short, much has been done to them to improve them. And so, on a typical day, I might find an intern bawling in the ladies’ room moments after I have turned back to her the edited version of her copy. No one has ever told her before that she isn’t perfect. And yet, the recent crops of interns seem to learn less and less from the edited copy turned back to them for perusal. I tell them that the reason for changes should be self-evident and to ask about a change if the reason isn’t apparent, but seldom does anyone inquire. You mean they might have something to learn. What a quaint idea.

Nor does anyone much bother with research, even the minimal research of checking the archives to see what was done before on any given subject. We all stand on the shoulders of giants, right? Not these wannabes. There is no yesterday. History is irrelevant, even for stylistic purposes. I’m not sure what they read. Correction: whether.

Yet, a little humility would be in order. One such young-un was proofing a longer article and marking errors. Fine. A good training task, accustoming the eye and perhaps the ear to polished copy. But when the marked up proof was run by me to make sure the suggested changes were indeed fixes and/or improvements, I was astonished to see words such as ‘postprandial’ marked as bad word choice, when they were clearly in the writer’s style and used appropriately. The proofer simply hadn’t encountered such a word before and marked it for excision. These, by the way, are not 10-year-olds. They are 20-somethings. And the array of words they have never encountered is astonishing.

The biggest shock to their increasingly delicate systems occurs when they actually see Big Name Writer’s copy emerge from the hands of an editor. How disillusioning to discover that BNW’s article doesn’t arrive in perfect form, that thoughts may be muddy, that insights may be unobserved…and that an editor actually pushes the writer to think, to make the changes, or wades in and makes the changes on his/her own, usually after discussion with said BNW. It is a bruising business, and only the highly articulate need apply. The goal, after all, is to say something worth killing a tree for.

Once, when teaching the magazine editing unit of THAT publishing course, I handed back to the students the assignments they had turned in to me weeks earlier, in preparation for this day. I edited the copy exactly as if it were going into the magazine I was then editing. The students were stunned into silence as their copy was returned, with questions, comments, and lots of red marks (instructors were still permitted to use red pens then, however much they highlighted students’ errors). ‘But it’s no longer mine,’ said one of them, whose copy in fact bore fewer rather than more marks.

Call it separation anxiety. They cannot separate themselves from what they produce, do not see the need to try to be objective about it, to evaluate it by any criterion other than ‘I produced it. Isn’t that enough?’ Literature…c’est moi.

I used to think that publishing weeded out the weak ones. Now I think it just weeds out the poor ones, the ones who can’t afford a couple of years of internships.

It may be that over the past decade the best minds went into finance and law, and publishing got the bottom of the barrel, but there were always some who aimed for publishing from the time

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brisher7 5 pts

I LOVE THIS QUOTE! This drives me nuts. As a copywriter, everyone seems to think they can do my job. My husband is luckier (for now). As a designer, you have to know certain programs like InDesign. Then again, everyone thinks they can sketch on a napkin.

"But I think everyone now has the (largely mistaken) idea that they can write. Whether or not they have something to say. It is a generational thing.

There seems to be a confusion of typing and writing. There always was (all those monkey-keyboard jokes that used to make the rounds), but now that EVERYONE types and has at least one keyboard with them at all times, the distinction seems blurrier than ever.”

LisaCashHanson 7 pts

If interns are so awful, self centered, and incompetent ( which I do not in any way believe by the way) Then do the he work yourself and don't hire them.

I really don't enjoy when someone talks down to another. Who is to say what any intern or any person for that matter will go on to become. They could surpass the "editor" and become the Magazine creator and founder. When I here anyone nay say another I love to think of things like this:

The 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us." -- Western Union internal memo (1876)

"The wireless music box has no imaginable commercial value. Who would pay for a message sent to nobody in particular?" -- David Sarnoff's associates in response to his urging for investment in radio in the 1920s.posted by ericb at 2:42 PM on November 2, 2006

Someone at Decca records refused to sign the Beatles because "groups with guitars are on the way out" Also, John Lennon's aunt told him there wasn't any money in being a musician.

I don't think any human knows the true potential of another. Just because a person is shocked to see huge marks all over a page maybe as a good "editor" instead of slamming a person you could actually teach them that it's OK and their next piece will be better. How this is all part of the process. One they are not familiar with but it will get better. Yes that would be a nice way to handle it. Of course this is just my on personal opinion I'm just a woman with a keyboard not a writer.

leospaceman 6 pts

I am 25, so even though I have worked as both a writer and an editor, I realize that my opinion is already being dismissed by the author of this post.

First of all, this is not describing what editors think of writers. This is describing the author's dislike of 20-something interns. At least title your piece appropriately.

Secondly, the "older generation wringing hands over younger generation" is nothing new. Guess what? Society will continue once you retire your genius self at 65. Again, I'm only 25 (and non-sarcastically speaking, I do realize I still have a lot to learn about life), but one thing that I have learned is that you should never think that you have reached a phase in life when you are done learning. And you should never get into a place of such comfort that you think you're the only one with the correct answers.

Finally, did you consider that maybe you're just hiring the wrong kinds of interns? Not everyone who wants to be a writer thinks they know absolutely everything when they hit 20. Many of us 20-somethings are eager to learn from the best so we can continue to develop our own styles into something we can market so we don't end up in a cardboard box. Which, thanks to the author's generation, is a distinct possibility as the economy and environment crumble around us.

(I could also make a generalization about the people who can afford to take two years off and work for free as an intern. I certainly couldn't do that. I had to go to work. Maybe those interns are the result of coming from a higher socioeconomic bracket, where they were always told what special snowflakes they were by their parents and private school instructors. When you're a special, unique snowflake for your entire life, yes, it does hurt to be told that you may not be up to par.)

I can halfheartedly agree with some of the points, mostly because as a 25-year-old editor I found myself encountering the same problems with a 30-year-old writer. But while reading, I kept asking myself: "Did the writer find some gray hairs or wrinkles or what?"

Stitchandboots 6 pts

What a damning and sweeping statement against all interns. I was getting a little worked up for a minute because I'm a writer and I am not at all like these interns you are describing. I can write, I can take criticism, and I work well with editors. Then I realized that I wasn't getting worked up at you, I was mad at all of those interns for wasting a perfectly good opportunity that I wish I'd had.

Kathy K 16 pts

This attitude on display by the twenty-something generation is everywhere. I've seen it in other careers, too. I don't think it's just limited to that. At the risk of sounding, well, "old", they need to learn what constructive criticism is and what it is not. The school system at the time they attended has done them a great disservice by not teaching them what constructive criticism is and how to deal with it. Those lessons are much easier to learn when you are younger than when you are an adult. You don't get a prize for doing what is expected of you.

When I was in high school, our school had it's own writing lab and about five or so seniors were picked to be writing tutors. I was one of them. Part of my job as writing tutor was to offer feedback and constructive criticism on someone else's written piece. Granted, this was nearly twenty-five years ago when I was a writing tutor in high school and I wonder if having a peer to peer way to offer critique and help would fly in this day and age.

Allison Cook 5 pts

I also deal with interns each year and could not agree more with your article. Our interns are govermental, but there is a heavy emphasis on writing and editing, skills they should have by the time they come to us. Every year it surprises us that these students, the best and brightest their Universities have to offer don't seem to understand the concept of failure. They, for the most part, have always done everything right and are gobsmacked when their papers are returned to them full of red marks (yes, we still use the red pen). Thank you for pointing out that it is indeed the wealthier student that can afford to participate in most internships - it would be great to see them paid a living wage so more could participate. Looking forward to reading more about this.

janeymcjanerson 24 pts

A great copy editor is a writer's best friend. So is criticism. Great read!

isthisthemiddle 449 pts

janeymcjanerson Yes, and I was sorry to see ageism on both sides here. The goal should be better writing, not a blaming game. I don't want to be judged by the number that is my age. Likewise I do my best not to judge others by the year of their birth.

janeymcjanerson 24 pts

isthisthemiddle Melanie, as I read through the subsequent comments I was struck by the very same thing! It isn't age that's the problem, People! It's the copy editing skills, no matter the age! Just stop it! Please.

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andilit bookprgirl this is possibly the truest thing I have read in ages: There seems to be a confusion of typing and writing.

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Fuggled andilit I hear you! Thanks for tweeting. The entire series is great. That is post 4 by TheGinaBarreca

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andilit Thanks a big bunch for the retweet!!! Have a great day.