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What We Can Learn About Blogging and Commenting from the Child-Free Discussion

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Last week, several posts on the greater meaning behind the words child-free or childless floated through the Internet, some said more eloquently than others. And not to toot our own horn, but the one that had the best discussion within the comment section appeared here on BlogHer and I don't think that was an accident despite the fact that it probably had the most diverse population reading the post than any other blog.

The comments were written by a broad audience of those with or without children and in both cases, due to a plethora of reasons ranging from choice to circumstance. There were differing opinions, though everyone stated their thoughts respectfully, taking into account the idea that everyone's circumspection needs to extend as far as the next person reading their words. It can't stop at a halfway point, only creating a bubble of thoughtfulness towards those like-minded. It needs to extend to every possible reader, who doesn't need to agree, but needs to be able to walk away unoffended.

The original post that everyone used as a jumping point to their own words took the opposite approach, with the author stating within her apology "Did I know I’d get a rise out of people? Yes. And yes, I was taking a jab at the child-free." The original post received over one hundred comments--an anomaly for the Orlando Sentinel blog posts which tend to get under 10 comments per post (and most receive one or none) and those comments were as vitriol-laced and angry as the original post.

And the obvious answer is that thoughtfulness begets thoughtfulness and thoughtlessness begets thoughtlessness. Laurie at BlogHer presented her reaction to the original post with thoughtful circumspection and in turn, commenters took her lead and added their own respectful ideas. Kim Hays wrote the original post trying to anger others and in turn, commenters came at her with anger. And it wasn't just an angry reaction from the group she intended to hurt. Her anger created anger in others as her commenters took the lead of the writer and spoke with the same disrespectful tone with which she used on her potential readers.

The idea of how do we communicate what is important to us without offending others has come into discussion in regards to IComLeavWe. The project attracts a lot of infertility bloggers because it started within our community, but it has since expanded to include bloggers in all areas of the blogosphere and participation is open and encouraged for all regardless of blog topic. The very point is to open dialogue between communities.

Participants enter their blog on a list and describe their blog in three words to give readers a heads up before they click over. Participants then read and comment on a wide cross-section of blogs from adoption-focused to political-in-nature. And while the project celebrates the almighty comment and the interactive and conversational nature of blogging, it also is meant to mix people who might not otherwise meet. Think of it as an online version of the BlogHer conference, where you leave your corner of the blogosphere and meet hundreds of other types of blogger whose corners of the blogosphere might be wholly unfamiliar to you.

The point of IComLeavWe is not just to read about a life that might be incredibly different from your own with the person making very different life decisions, but to also respect and respond to their words. To not just read and click away, but to leave a comment. This works better, as you can imagine, sometimes more than others.

But how far can we take circumspection with a vast and varied Internet--especially within blogs where the writer usually doesn't know all the readers who may encounter the post? The larger the audience--as is the case with a large readership such as BlogHer--the more chance there is to offend because the audience will not all be focused on the same like-minded topic as they do on smaller, themed blogs.

A lot can be learned by examining the two posts and learning not only how to be a better blog writer, but a better blog reader and commenter.

(1) Be concise and clear. The reader isn't inside the author's head and therefore if it's not stated outright, the reader doesn't know the information. Don't assume your reader has read a post--link to it. Don't

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SpinDiva 5 pts

Well said and the message about being thoughtful, respectful, and polite to others as if we were facing them is so true.  We have to be empathetic and try to see the other's point of view without thinking less of them.

I love the idea that we can have respectful discussions, agree to disagree and still be friends :-)

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Catherine Morgan 5 pts

Hi Melissa, this is a great post.  I love that the 'tone' here on BlogHer is one that promotes respectful conversation (even when we disagree).  The original post at the Orlando Sentinel was just NOISE...the post that was written by Laurie was respectful conversation.   It makes me very proud to be a part of this community of women.

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Melissa Ford 5 pts

I had someone say to me that I shouldn't have given her any attention and written about it but I have to side with you and disagree with that commenter.  I think this was an important discussion.  And a lot of good thoughts came out of the hurt.  To just leave it at writing a hateful response to her would have been a waste of space.  To write a thoughtful post explaining what you went through emotionally upon hearing the words is a different story.

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Melissa Ford 5 pts

I think that was what was most surprising--that the writer clearly stated her intent and you can no longer give that benefit of the doubt and assume she didn't mean to push buttons when she clearly stated in her apology as well as comments written on other blog posts that she did intend to hurt people (though hurt more people than she intended to hurt).  And that's why I found this post and situation remarkable (as in, we should remark on it) because there is a lot to learn about the way we treat the reader (or in the case of leaving a comment, the way we treat the writer).

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Melissa Ford 5 pts

I think it's a hard line to walk, but you can have both.  You can have a unique voice that states exactly what they're thinking but does so in a polite, respectful way.  And also cutting ourselves slack because there will always be someone offended by something we never considered disrespectful. 

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Melissa Ford 5 pts

That is something I'm proud of about this site--that you rarely see the comment section descend into a name-calling spiral, but instead, true discussion is taking place in the comment box.

Venting about infertility since 2006
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lauriewrites 5 pts

These are great tips.

I admitted to Elisa the other day that I opened up the bulk of the comments when I was done with a Smithsonian visit the other day, and when I was done reading them I sat down on a wall and cried, from gratification and the sheer happiness of being heard and understood, and of tripping other peoples' wires to share their own experience, most of which were entirely different from mine. I really do try to be a bridge-builder in my life so it's nice when i get a sense that that's happened anywhere. Writing and managing the discussion on this post has been one of the most exhausting and rewarding things I've had to do in my experience as a writer and certainly in my work at BlogHer. The thoughtfulness and clarity with which everyone - EVERYONE, all 40 commenters - responded with is the reason why I felt compelled to sit down and respond to almost every one, except the ones I felt I could add nothing more than they'd contributed.

it was suggested that this was not a good post to respond to initially because of the inflammatory tone, but I hit a point where I was tired of being relegated to a caricature when I and the other people I know without children are far from that. I grow tired of feeling as though it's advisable to justify my continued existence because I haven't produced a human being, especially when I dump on myself enough for that very reason. I saw an opportunity to put an actual face on the issue (not for the first time, but in response to this post, mine.)I'm also tired of what I see as lazy generalizations passed off as blog posts or columns or articles that spur angry point-counterpoint comment flame wars.

This was my take on it and I just wanted to state some personal truth and give input from others who were writing about similar things. I was very pleased with the outcome and I feel that it's owed to the brains, good will and interpersonal skills of the people who participated in the discussion. I didn't agree with or relate to everyone entirely and it's totally fine if they didn't agree with me. I have no agenda to push here - I was just sharing my perspective, truly, as a member of this larger community - and I think that carried out. I also chose not to engage with the developments on the original post or with the author, beyond posting her apology for readers to see. I had already drawn the conclusions I needed to draw and feel that whatever harm was done in the original piece was overcome by the benefit of the voices who showed on my post.

Your post is additionaly proof that some conversations have weight beyond the obvious, particularly when we take the time to challenge things that just don't sit right. It renewed my faith in our capacity for dialogue, in a day-to-day where sometimes bickering seems to take precedence over true communication.

(And that's all a fancy way to say I'm SO glad we can talk to each other and have it not suck! ;))

Laurie

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Pam 5 pts

Not just for commenters, really. Everyone who sits down to hammer out a post about, well, ANYTHING, should follow all these points.

Double awesome for the notes about intention. I always figure the writer's intentions are not evil, regardless of what they say. And I always consider that intent irrelevent to the discussion. 

P.

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Nordette Adams 6 pts

You've done a great job using the anti-child-free post as an object lesson/case study. Very little to spark disagreement. Nevertheless, I had a lot more to say--wrote, deleted, wrote, deleted--but gave up because ridding my response of pithiness to ensure no one would confuse that with impoliteness proved to be too much for me today.

What is social media doing to writing? People used to pick up books with umph because they had umph not because they thought it would be great to sit at the table and have lunch with the writer. (I'm not speaking of the anti-child-free post.)

While rules of engagement encourage and promote civility--a good thing--they may also discourage revealing evidence of a unique personality and authentic writing voice.

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Virginia DeBolt 5 pts

You comment "thoughtfulness begets thoughtfulness and thoughtlessness begets thoughtlessness" is so true. We can lead the way.

Virginia DeBolt

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